Please trust President Obama. You know he won't extend the Bush tax cuts.

[Armstead]

...Or impose a health-insurance mandate without a public option.

And he is absolutely going to rein in those "too big to fail" financial conglomerates.

Just have some faith and stop being such a pessimist.

[jefferson_dem]

1. Instead, trust the scumbaggish GOP/Teabagger cabal...

And oppose President Obama at every turn. Surely they have our best interest at heart.

[Fearless]

6. Being against Obama doesn't make one for a Teabagger.

That kind of black and white thinking is what gets us into trouble.

[jefferson_dem]

12. "That kind of black and white thinking is what gets us into trouble."

Love it. Totally agree. I need to put that shit in my siggy line.

[awoke_in_2003]

97. self edit. nt

[progressoid]

112. WARNING...

[Fuddnik]

110. There's thinking involved?

[mkultra]

113. two party systems are inherently black and white.

so yes, it actually does.

[Armstead]

14. It's not a matter of opposing him at every turn. It's more a matter of....

.....Supporting goals the President initially claims to agree with, but then seeing them quickly scuttled and tossed out by him.

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[merbex]

114. +1 n/t

[CreekDog]

32. there are only two possible thoughts?

:wtf:

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[eridani]

99. Great. We are represented by one party of sociopaths and another of cowards

Hey--I'm voting for the cowards anyway, but not at all happily.

[bvar22]

102. At least the "GOP/Teabagger cabal" is honest about what they are going to do.

EFCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMNVIQqatyU

NAFTA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LtbLEKHsi0&NR=1

Cadillac Tax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8wmN3wvhNM&feature=player_embedded

Support for LABOR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o

Public Option & Mandates
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acc6Wn_BWlk

Restore America’s Honor
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/respect-my-authoritah

Transparency
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU

War in Libya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8

[ProSense]

2. Don't trust him

He's not going to repeal DADT or DOMA.

He's going to announce Social Security cuts!

He's really going to stay in Iraq.

He never liked Elizabeth Warren.

[Armstead]

5. We're still in Iraq

Nobody said he didn't "like" Elizabeth Warren. But did he go out on any limbs for her? (But as a Massachusetts resident I do hope she runs for the Senate.)

Kudos for DODT. DOMA?.....Well, I'll wait until he finishes "evolving" on the whole issue of whether GBLT people are supposed to have all the rights of heterosexuals.

Social Security cuts?....Jury is still out on that.

[ProSense]

19. And we're never leaving

Don't trust him!!!

[Armstead]

22. I love it when you're sarcastic.

[Mimosa]

26. What kind of person trusts without question, ProSense? n/t

[Mimosa]

86. We are NEVER leaving. That is true.

Iraq was chosen to be the US base in the Middle East. We want and need the minerals and petroleum in that part of the world. if we don't get it the chinese will.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/

[saras]

98. That's not a right-wing talking point, that's the essence of right-wing thinking

It doesn't matter how wrong something is, as long as WE do it, because everyone else in the world is evil, and will do it against us if we don't.

Woo hoo!

[tekisui]

118. We aren't leaving. To say otherwise is bullshit.

We are leaving 17,000+ including 5100 as the State Dept's private army, complete with an air force.

We are still negotiating to keep troops there in some capacity and/or add another 3,000-7,000 private contractors as 'trainers'. There are also some 45,000 private military contractors there now that the WH fails to ever mention.

[Bluenorthwest]

13. DADT is still the law

as is DOMA. I really get ticked off at that recurring claim, that DOMA is gone. For a while people were saying 'DOMA is no longer enforced' so why is Dan Choi so pissed off.
You need to understand that until people have equal rights, that drum banging as if we do already is deeply offensive to many people. The President is opposed to equal marriage rights, says the States should decide which is cowardly bullshit and not consistent with his other policies toward State law.
To suggest that DOMA has been repealed is just not cool.

[ProSense]

23. What about

"don't trust him" don't you understand?

Still, there was good news today.

[emulatorloo]

3. Give your straw man a rest.

[Armstead]

7. Oh yes. I really should admit that he fought hard for a public option.

And I won't pretend that he didn't pressure Congressional Democrats to agree to extend the tax cuts.

[emulatorloo]

37. Google strawman argument. you are still doing it.

[provis99]

84. you obviously don't have a clue what a strawman argument is.

[RBInMaine]

73. Public option simply could not pass the first branch of government, and ending the tax cuts was

voted on and lost. Neither would have passed regardless of whatever pressure from Obama, and this is a guy who actually likes to accomplish things and not hold out for pipedream purity that can't pass. Like it or not, we have divided government thanks to too many people whining and staying home in the last election, and so to get anything at all done, per the overwhelming mandate of most Americans (try reading the few hundred polls of late), there has to be compromise (you know, kind of like when they wrote the consitution and so on). Try governing something some day and you'll get the hint.

[ChiciB1]

85. It WILL NEVER HAPPEN... The Tune NEVER Changes... NEVER!! n/t

[harun]

108. Awww, do the facts make you grumpy?

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[Armstead]

9. I agree. Only thsoe who go in lockstep with the Democratic elites know about governing

[RBInMaine]

71. Yawn...Try wikipedia and remind yourself that we actually do have 3 branches of government. Or, try

actually governing something.

[frylock]

20. does bernie sanders not know how government works?

[RBInMaine]

70. I like Bernie, but how many bills does he actually get PASSED? Please get serious.

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[Mimosa]

83. Sanders is an old guy from Vermont, right?

What would that old commie know about triangulation? :7

[frylock]

78. i have never been more serious

[Armstead]

91. If there was a Democratic Party that was actually liberal, he would get bills passed

But nowadays, even Sander's form of traditional populist liberalism is too "crazy" for the "adult" corporate Democrats, and their apologists.

[CakeGrrl]

8. We now come to the duplicate threadspam portion of our day...

[Armstead]

18. Not threadspam.....Just a reesponse to everyone saying...

"Trust President Obama. He is definitely not going to let the GOP hijack the agenda on this."

Maybe, maybe not....But it's useful to look at the track record on these things.

[emulatorloo]

40. No, it is a strawman argument. Bush used them all the time

"Some people say we should give in to the terrorists" etc etc bullshit statements that NOBODY was saying.

You are putting simplisitic and idiotic statements in the mouths of some 'Opponent' you have fabricated.

[Autumn]

10. That all makes sense

:rofl:

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[golfguru]

16. Iraq war, Afghan war, Libya war, Yemen war

Enough wars already! I was really really hoping once elected president, Obama would bring all wars to a quick end. I am bitterly disappointed. I was so happy to see cowboy Bush out of office. I had no idea Obama would be so slow in ending the wars fought with borrowed money from China.

And I am also not too happy about the Health Care Reform bill. My premiums have jumped much more than average this year.

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[ClarkUSA]

21. Yeah, he should have let long-term unemployed go hungry instead of compromising on those tax cuts.

Furthermore, President Obama should have assumed dictatorial powers and eliminated Congess' ability to write and pass legislation in order to impose a public option despite Senator Joe Lieberman's threat of joining a GOP filibuster.

Then, after that, El Presidente Obama could've declared himself a real socialist and nationalized all banks and corporations just like Hugo Chavez.

Viva La Obama!!!

:sarcasm:

[Donnachaidh]

25. yeah, the 99ers were so happy with his treatment of THEM

Gawd -- the twisting hypocrisy is amazing today -- guess the koolaid is doubly-dosed, eh? :sarcasm:

:eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

28. The 99ers know who to blame and it isn't President Obama.

I signed petitions on their behalf all through last fall because I have family members who were 99ers and I can assure you that all their focus was on Republican assholes' obstructionism, something you seem intent on avoiding in favor of placing all the blame on President Obama.

How revealing. Hmm...

[polmaven]

107. Well, this

(then) 26er was extremely happy with his treatment of US. Imagine how many millions more would have been on the streets if he had not done what he did. THAT sure would have been a big benefit to the economic situation, huh?

[Mimosa]

29. As if there were no other way but to let the GOP have their way?

A President with a majority in both the House and senate could have had 'ways' to deal with Joe Lieberman. If he'd wanted to. Clark, you seem to be wanting to have it both ways. Sometimes you make out like Obama is in a weak position in which he has no choice but to compromise with the GOP CONS. Then on other posts you ask everybody to accept that Obama is acting totally from principle and 'daddy knows best'. That's sort of oxymoronic, contadictory or some big word. :7

[ClarkUSA]

33. Go write to Pelosi and Reid and ask them that question. Maybe you'll learn something.

[polmaven]

111. You wouldn't be referring to

um...let's see, what's that word? Oh yeah!! FILLIBUSTER...would you? That is something an awful lot of people seem to conveniently forget when there is talk of how the president had 'majorities" in both Houses for 2 years.

[slipslidingaway]

36. Maybe they should have raised the debt ceiling in December? n/t

[ClarkUSA]

52. When? In between DADT repeal and everything else Pres. Obama, Pelosi and Reid tried to cram in?

Republicans would have simply delayed it until the Teabaggers arrived the following month in order to score political points and make hay, as they have been doing for months, only now they are on the defensive, thanks to President Obama's deft political rope-a-dope.

[slipslidingaway]

75. Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts - December 2010 n/t

[Fuddnik]

109. Or let the Bush tax cuts expire.

Could have been done without a vote.

We would have had more revenue, and not having this idiotic theater about the debt ceiling.

[eomer]

38. Do you really still not know that the final health reform bill could not be filibustered?

The final changes were in a budget reconciliation bill and required only 50 votes in the Senate. That bill could not be filibustered.

[ClarkUSA]

53. I repeat: Joe Lieberman killed the public option. Read all about it -->

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&sa=X&ei=3R8mToOlG6Xc0QG7majoCg&ved=0CBgQvwUoAQ&q=joe+lieberman+killed+public+option&spell=1

Like I said, President Obama should have assumed dictatorial powers and dissolved Congress. :sarcasm:

[Mimosa]

66. You're saying ONE MAN had all that power against the Prez and the Democratic Party?

I think it might go over my head that one creepy old Senaor from Connecticut (a very small state) had what amounted to 'Veto power' over the President of the United States and the democratic party?

I'm serious. I want to learn how just one, any Senaor, could stop legislation. I didn't learn enough in school or afterwards if i don't comprehend how one senator can stop a president andthe party in power.

if that was true than why couldn't an opposing Senator have stopped the invasion of Iraq?

[Armstead]

76. Good catch....If individual Senatoirs had so much power Bernie Sanders or Wellstone...

could have accomplished amazing things.

Apparently, though, individual Senators only have such overwhelming power when they are fusty old stooges of Big Bidness.

[Mimosa]

79. Armstead, I really want (and need) to know.

ClarkUSA, please tell us how one Senator can stop popular legislation. Before the ACA of 2010 was enacted polls shoed the majority of people were hopng for and were ready for a new health care system. Even dufuses know Brits and Canadians don't go bankrupt to pay for medical bills.

[Armstead]

80. Because the pressurevis only put on progressives, while those like Lieberman...

Get their butts kissed.


Beats me why.

[bvar22]

103. They can't.

Joe Lieberman Took One for Team DLC
because he had nothing to lose.

"Its ALL Joe Lieberman's Fault!" :cry:

What a scam.
The Democratic Party could have CRUSHED Joe Lieberman anytime it wanted to,
but they didn't because he served a useful purpose.

"Johnson was the catalyst, the cajoler in chief. History records him as the nation's greatest legislative politician. In a great piece on the Daily Beast website, LBJ aide Tom Johnson, writes about how his old boss would have gotten a health care reform bill through the current congress. It's worth reading to understand the full impact of the "Johnson treatment" and how effective LBJ could be in winning votes for his legislation."

http://thejohnsonpost.blogspot.com/2009/08/johnson-treatment.html

Can you imagine wimpy Joe Lieberman stamping his foot telling LBJ, "NO!!! I'm NOT going to support your Health care Plan?"
:rofl:

Many on this site will tell you that the Presidency is weak and powerless, and can only do what Congress lets him do.
THAT is a pathetic excuse...and just plain BULLSHIT!!!!

"Strong and successful presidents (meaning those who get what they want - whether that happens to be good for the country or not) do not accept "the best deal on the table". They take out their carpentry tools and the build the goddam piece of furniture themselves. Strong and successful presidents do not get dictated to by the political environment. They reshape the environment into one that is conducive to their political aspirations."

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/07/17

"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone

[eomer]

101. No, President Obama and Congressional leaders didn't need Lieberman's vote.

The final reform bill was a budget reconciliation bill and therefore could not be filibustered. It needed just 50 votes in the Senate. If Lieberman had voted no it wouldn't have mattered at all, not in the least.

Look on this http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2009-396">govtrack.us page for the bill where it says:
"Required: Simple Majority of 99 votes (=50 votes)"

The bill still would have passed. So how can Lieberman stop a bill on which his vote is not even needed?

You've fallen for this disinformation and are now passing it on. It is not true of the public option and not true of other important issues that Democrats were blocked by a Republican filibuster. They were blocked only by themselves and their allegiance to the corporations that didn't want a public option, didn't want corporate tax loopholes and subsidies eliminated, etc.

[Mimosa]

123. How could Joe Lieberman kill the public option?

Clark or anybody who knows, please tell me how just one man could kill the Public Option if the President and the Party wanted it.

I want to know how any one Senator could stop an element desired by everybody else.

[Mimosa]

125. That's links to google and DU.

Can you show us an article which shows HOW Joe lieberman, one man, could have stopped the public option? I've used Google and there isn't an article or reference which shows how one senator could stop a policy or legislation.

[sad sally]

88. What are all the still unemployed hungry going to do in 5 1/2 months

when the extended benefits end? Oh yeah, all those tax cuts ($559 Billion) are surely going to turn into living wage jobs to move the millions and millions off unemployment benefits.

Do you think the generous congress will approve another extension?

Maybe there will be another "payroll tax holiday" to take another $115 Billion from being paid into the Social Security fund, with another promise of general funds to replace them. By the way, the Treasury Dept has only issued intra bonds (IOU's) to replace the 2011-2012 "holiday" funds. There's talk from Republicans, which I'm sure the President and the Gang of Six will be glad to compromise on, that employers should also be afforded a 2% "holiday" from their 6% contribution to SS. A sure plan to completely phase out SS forever.

[Hand_With_Eyes]

104. They would have passed with no deal

Obama decided instead that it was better to extend the depression by two additional years.

[dkf]

24. The rescinding of the bush tax cuts are the only tax increase that will pass

Mainly because it doesn't have to pass.

What will upset me is if they decide to extend them.

[Fearless]

27. The Gang of Six deal HE ENDORSED makes NEW DEEPER CUTS...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1525277

[ClarkUSA]

30. Stop distorting President Obama's position. He never endorsed the details of the plan.

False meme FAIL. Read the facts and state them clearly for once:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=714836&mesg_id=715105

[Fearless]

31. Here is the link... and the video in his OWN WORDS...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43807163/ns/politics-capitol_hill


"he called the plan “balanced” and “broadly consistent with what we’ve been working on” in his administration. "We’re in the same playing field,” he said." (At the 1:00 minute spot).

[ClarkUSA]

34. I heard and read Pres. Obama's words. He never ever supported the details of the plan.

"I’ve seen some reports suggesting the president endorsed the Gang of Six’s compromise, but that’s not quite what he said, and it seems to miss the point of Obama’s comments."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=714836&mesg_id=715105

[Fearless]

35. Watch what I sent you. And read the quotation I gave you and the article with it at the link.

[ClarkUSA]

39. I did. MSM whore spin aside, I repeat: Pres. Obama did not support any details of the plan.

He is gaming the Republicans. He know the second he praises anything, the Teabagger House will be against it.

[Fearless]

41. [The plan is] "broadly consistent with what we’ve been working on”

"We’re in the same playing field,” he said.

[ClarkUSA]

44. So? There's alot of wriggle room in that rhetoric. I don't hear him supporting any DETAILS.

[Fearless]

46. He supports the plan. Here are the details of the plan... They are quite specific...

http://assets.nationaljournal.com/pdf/071911ConradBudgetExecutiveSummary.pdf


Also he states in the video I already gave you:

“Democratic senators acknowledge that we’ve got to deal with our long-term debt problems that arise out of our various entitlement programs” and Republican senators “acknowledge that revenues will have to be part of a balanced package that makes sure that nobody is disproportionately hurt”

[ClarkUSA]

48. Bullshit. Nowhere does he states he supports the details of the plan.

You're trying to conflate something out of general rhetorical word play.

Don't you get it? President Obama knows if he says he likes anything, the Teabaggers will disapprove of it somehow even if they were for it beforehand. They're alot like PUMAs that way.

[Fearless]

50. Yeah... that's some crazy chess... except that Republicans WILL vote for this plan... DEMS won't.

[ClarkUSA]

54. If the Teabagger House does that after Pres. Obama's praise of the plan, that'll be a first.

You don't understand Eric Cantor and his teabagger buddies very well, do you? Do you really think Michelle Bachmann or anyone in her crazy "Obama is Satan" caucus will vote for this plan after President Obama praised it as a bipartisan effort?

[Fearless]

57. "Republicans and Democrats praise ‘Gang of Six’ debt reduction plan"

http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/19/republicans-and-democrats-praise-gang-of-six-debt-reduction-plan/

[ClarkUSA]

58. Name one Teabagger House member who has praised this plan.

[Fearless]

61. I can name several Republicans.

[ClarkUSA]

62. Go ahead. I'm waiting.

[Fearless]

65. Lets start with these Republicans...

Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa (In office since 1981)
Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma (Rep. from 1994-2000, senator since 2005)
Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia (Rep. from 1994-2003, senator since 2003)
Sen. Mike Crapo of Idaho (Rep. from 1993-1999, senator from 1999)


As you can see from their time in Congress, they are Republicans, not Tea Party Candidates from the last two election cycles.

[ClarkUSA]

67. I asked for one member of the Teabagger House. Four GOP Senators does not a final bill make.

I repeat: You don't understand Eric Cantor and his teabagger buddies very well, do you? Do you really think Michelle Bachmann or anyone in her crazy "Obama is Satan" caucus will vote for this plan after President Obama praised it as a bipartisan effort?

Answer the questions this time.

[Fearless]

95. And I told you Teabaggers don't matter. Their numbers are too small.

[Mimosa]

82. "Wiggle room'...It's what we long for in a President.

Clark, do you have a coonection to Obama's people? If you do please tell them the talking points aren't even remotely convincing.

[Ikonoklast]

69. But he never once said "I support this plan and want it."

NEVER ONCE SAID ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE THAT.


Jesus H. Christ, if Mr. Obama said it might rain today, you'd post that he wants to see a hurricane hit the coast of Florida.

[Warren Stupidity]

119. I love this particular spin: endorse the plan, not the details.

it is so freaking arrogant.

[emulatorloo]

42. He "Endorsed" no such thing. Give me a break.

[Fearless]

43. The plan is "broadly consistent with what we’ve been working on”

"We’re in the same playing field,” he said. (At the one minute mark).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43807163/ns/politics-capitol_hill

It doesn't get much clearer than that.

[ClarkUSA]

45. So? All you're quoting is generic rhetoric which says little and means less.

Why don't you read what he says after that? You might feel better:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x714836

Don't you get it? If President Obama indicates he likes anything, that means the Teabagger House will be against it. They're alot like PUMAs that way.

[Fearless]

47. Why don't you watch the video? Or read the plan which he calls "in the ballpark".

http://assets.nationaljournal.com/pdf/071911ConradBudgetExecutiveSummary.pdf

[ClarkUSA]

49. Why don't you give up? All of your quotes are laughably vague political rhetoric on his part.

[Fearless]

51. Your only support of your opinion is he's saying the opposite of what he means. Please.

That's some fucking chess.

[ClarkUSA]

55. No, I am acknowledging the facts re: the present political landscape.

[Fearless]

60. You are stating an opinion based on no evidence.

[ClarkUSA]

63. That's false. It's been noted that GOPers have reversed their positions on issues...

... whenever President Obama has come out in favor of the same idea. He's even pointed this out in several of his speeches, in fact.

Conversely, that's true as well. Meanwhile, it's your opinion that is based on zero evidence.

[emulatorloo]

56. Look up ENDORSED in the dictionary

You are way overeaching.

[Fearless]

59. Politicians never come out and SAY things explicitly. That gets them in trouble.

They mince words and pander. This is what this is. It means he supports it. IF you don't believe me, I'll be glad to drop you an I told you so line if it passes.

[ClarkUSA]

64. Wrong again. President Obama has explicitly come out against cutting Medicare and SS benefits.

In his SOTU address this January, he has said he wants to reduce Medicare and SS costs and cut out fraud while not touching benefits. He has also explicitly said that he won't agree to spending cuts without raising revenue.

Do you have selective belief in his words... depending on what he says?

[MNBrewer]

81. Taking a page from your playbook

Full direct quote and link

[MNBrewer]

120. No full quote and reputable link?

I'm so disappointed.

[Palmer Eldritch]

68. You will never stop being a pessimist. You thrive on it.

[Armstead]

77. I'm at heart a very frustrated optimist. I actually thought...

.....Electing Obama and a Democratic Congress at a time when the GOP and their CONservative snake oil was totally discredited might actually begin to nudge the country in a better direction.

Instead, two years later we are now trying to placate the GOP Teabaggers so they don't blow up the economy.

Lot of progress there.

[sabrina 1]

100. 'Never'? Mmm

Welcome to DU, btw ~

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[ClassWarrior]

89. Wow, all the spite and name-calling is staggering. No valid replies. Just third-grade immaturity.

NGU.

[Armstead]

90. I knew it was coming -- But I'd hoped for intelligent rebuttal attempts

Oh well, good old DU...Never pass up a chance to confuse insult for debate.

[ClassWarrior]

92. Yeah, but the seeming coordination is breathtaking. If I didn't know better...

...I'd say some folks are taking orders.

NGU.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

94. maybe there could be a forum for people to civilly discuss/debate

issues pro and con without flame. geez...wtf

[Laura PourMeADrink]

93. wow...hanging in there..but I can't even recognize this place. nt

[Bake]

105. I don't TRUST anybody anymore.

I may vote for Obama as the lesser of two evils ... barely .. but TRUST?

I don't think so. Not again.

Bake

[harun]

106. Don't trust any politician.

[NC_Nurse]

115. Exactly.

[Armstead]

116. There's a few I trust...

But most have to be taken with mountains of salt

[tekisui]

117. knr,.

[woo me with science]

121. It's brazillion dimensional chess!

He can't oppose the benefit cuts as vehemently if we don't have some!

[StreetKnowledge]

122. No. He's looking to make them WORSE.

Don't you all get it yet? YOU MEAN NOTHING TO THEM. Let me clarify that. NOTHING. Progressives elected Obama over Hillary Clinton in the primaries and then elected him president. And he has since never missed an opportunity to be happy with the GOP and tell the "professional left" to sit down and shut up. And when he's on the verge of cutting social security benefits to pay for tax cuts for the rich and more useless feed for the defense contractors, and you still want to trust the guy?

Primary his ass. RIGHT NOW. If you care about your country, you do not vote for this guy. If this gets us President Bachmann, so be it, because then we'll know who the enemy is. Obama has cast our support to the wind, and we need to do the same to him, pronto.

[JoePhilly]

124. Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad

[Armstead]

126. No, Obama is either ineffectual or a moderate, reasonable conservative

I'm not sure which.

He's admirable in many ways.

But he is not a strong effective libersl leader.