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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 03:36 PM
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Bernie Sanders: Congratulations Coburn, Crapo and Chambliss: Republican Senators Win Major Victory

Congratulations Coburn, Crapo and Chambliss: Republican Senators Win Major Victory

Sen. Bernie Sanders today congratulated Sens. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) on their very significant victory in negotiating a deficit-reduction plan which achieves their long-term goal of dismantling every major social program relevant to working families.

The so-called Gang of Six plan that the Republican senators negotiated calls for massive cuts in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and virtually every program important to working families, the sick, the elderly, the children and the poor. The package also would hurt American workers by giving U.S. companies more incentives to avoid U.S. taxes by shipping jobs to low-tax countries.

"While I am sure that they did not get everything that they wanted, I think it's fair to say they won about 80 percent to 90 percent of what they fought for," Sanders said. "Despite President Obama's campaign promise not to cut Social Security benefits, the Gang of Six plan, which he apparently embraced, calls for massive cuts in that vitally important program."

Under the Social Security proposal, a new formula for calculating cost-of-living adjustments would cut a typical 75-year-old's yearly benefits in 10 years by $560. The average 85-year-old would see a $1,000 a year cut in 20 years. Furthermore, the proposal demands that Social Security be solvent for a 75-year period, which could include additional cuts. The proposal also cuts Medicare by $298 billion over 10 years and makes massive cuts to Medicaid.

While the spending cuts for programs that working people desperately depend upon are enforced by specific spending caps, there is no such enforcement or clarity regarding the $1.1 trillion to be raised in revenue over 10 years.

"What happens if that revenue target is not reached? There is no language that deals with that. Where does the revenue come from? That very important issue is kicked to the tax writing committees with no guarantee that hundreds of billions of dollars in new revenue will not come from the pockets of low- and moderate-income Americans," Sanders said. "While nobody knows for certain what provisions might be adopted, there is reason to expect that some of the areas that the House and Senate will be looking at include the home mortgage deduction for middle-class families, taxes on health care benefits, and increased taxes on retirement programs such as 401(k)s and IRAs. In other words, while there is a reasonable degree of specificity in terms of cuts there is only vagueness in terms of revenue."

Sanders, a member of the Senate Budget Committee, has advocated an approach to deficit reduction that matches increased revenue with spending reductions. "At a time when the wealthiest people in this country are becoming wealthier and are paying the lowest effective tax rates in modern history, when corporations are making billions of dollars and making nothing in taxes at all, Sanders said at least half of a deficit reduction package should come from ending tax breaks and tax loopholes for the wealthy and large corporations. With military spending having nearly tripled since 1997, we must take a hard look at cutting unnecessary and outdated military programs," he said.



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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 03:40 PM
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1. They only "win" if Obama caves
Oh crap, they win.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 04:01 PM
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2. Oh crap.. I don't feel so good..... C'Mon folks.. pitchforks..torches...
I don't mind living in a tent.. but please don't send me to a FEMA holding camp.

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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 04:07 PM
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3. Has this passsed either house yet?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:06 PM
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14. It hasn't---since no "real" bill has been written and it won't pass the house. n/t
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 04:27 PM
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4. Why did Obama say that the "Gang of Six" proposal is broadly consistent with what he wanted?
Why does Obama even want this kind of approach?

It boggles the mind.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:10 PM
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16. Obama hadn't read the bill.
I think he said what he said, more to show that Dems and Repubs can work together despite the drama the last two weeks of not working together and a promotion of an extremely fractured government in the nation's time of positive government action. The amount of inaction going on is more problematic in his book.

Well that's how I saw it...since the man did say he didn't read it, but was thankful something was done; and he is right a few things he outlined were mentioned. I doubt this will go through though.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 08:58 PM
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19. Nice try
Go sell that stuff somewhere else because I ain't buying what you're selling.

But I'm sure you already knew that :hi:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 04:50 PM
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5. Oh come on now... share the credit for the Victory.
The Republicans could not have done it without the active help of The DEMOCRATS!!!

The Gang of Six:
Democrats
* Max Baucus (Montana)
* Jeff Bingaman (New Mexico)
* Kent Conrad (North Dakota)

Republicans
* Mike Enzi (Wyoming)
* Chuck Grassley (Iowa)
* Olympia Snowe (Maine)

YAY!!!
a WIN/WIN for the rich politicians and their employers of BOTH parties!
:party:

I wonder what LBJ would have done?










Blue Link

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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:07 PM
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7. Obama is not a confrontational person
He believes in seeking compromise and consensus with the Republicans even though they want to completely and utterly destroy him.

This is who he is and I don't think he'll change.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:26 PM
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8. And that is just what we need now. It is working so well for us.
:sarcasm: Even though I'm not a fan of smilies.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:28 PM
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9. Maybe if he stopped studying Reagan,
and started reading up on FDR, Truman, and LBJ
he could figure out how to get things done?
:shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:44 PM
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10. What's
wrong with channeling Reagan?

Maybe the President has to learn the hard way, as FDR did, about deficit reduction.

Or maybe he knows what he's doing, intentionally or otherwise.


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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:01 PM
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12. Reagan was the worst President ever. Does that explain it?
He was governor during my childhood, and he constantly said horrible, vicious things. Here are some Reagan quotes for ya!

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles."

"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."

On quelling campus protests: "If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with. No more appeasement."

So what's wrong with channeling Reagan you ask? Really?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:07 PM
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15. "Reagan was the worst President ever."
Worse than Bush?

Thanks for the insight!

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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 08:49 PM
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18. The problem is, if the president learns the hard way
the working and middle classes are the ones who'll suffer for it.
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The Big Vetolski Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 06:05 PM
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11. I knew LBJ. He was a friend of my father's. I met him several times,
usually on his ranch, once at the White House. He died when I was in the sixth grade. So maybe I don't have the right to say this but my late father definitely could:

"I knew LBJ. LBJ was a friend of mine. You're no LBJ, Mr President. Hell, you're not even a Democrat!"

You see, I also met Harry Truman.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 05:01 PM
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6. Kick and 1000 Recs
Edited on Wed Jul-20-11 05:03 PM by Armstead
Though I'm not sure this is the ProSense I know and love
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:06 PM
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13. What do you think you know of Prosense?
Prosense always posts factual threads. End of story, irregardless if they support or hurt the President---and still considers himself a President Obama supporter.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 07:13 PM
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17. We have gone round the ring many times...Is seldom critical of mainstream Democratic positions
Edited on Wed Jul-20-11 07:14 PM by Armstead
Prosensense is a she, By the way.



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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-11 09:06 PM
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20. Yeah I know she's a she...mistype on my part.
I haven't seen that. She's posted articles that have been rather critical but takes a different perspective on what's been posted versus others who have another perspective.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 01:03 PM
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21. Good catch
Unfortunately.

:(
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-11 01:37 PM
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22. bet you money sen. sanders votes for it. n/t.
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