I though I voted for a Democrat for President

[woolldog]

in Nov 2008.

Now this guy is cutting Medicare and social security benefits? Why are all these fundamental changes to the safety net being rushed through? This guy campaigned on not touching social security or Medicare.

What the hell happened to the democratic party?

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[ClarkUSA]

2. Quote the final plan which passed where "this guy is cutting Medicare and social security benefits".

<< This guy campaigned on not touching social security or Medicare. >>

Quote? In this year's SOTU, President Obama said he wanted to cut Medicare and SS costs and fraud but not benefits.

[sharp_stick]

3. Talk about that when he actually signs a damned bill

until then it's just politics. Until a bill is offered and signed nothing has been cut.

[woolldog]

12. It's troubling enough that they are on the table

Never did I think I'd see a democratic president using ss, Medicare, and peoples lives as a bargaining chip. I expect that from republicans. But not from a democrat. Especially when these programs have nothing to with with 2 wars, bush tax cuts, subsidies to oil companies etc that ran up the debt. They shouldn't even be part of the debate. FDR is rolling in his grave.

[CakeGrrl]

27. Keep believing what you want to believe - or what the PL is whispering in your ear.

I believe reality will make your hand-wringing seem pretty overwrought.

[MrDiaz]

19. Like he did

with the health care bill? With no public option?

[Fearless]

35. +1

[elocs]

4. So, SS & Medicare are cut already. I guess I missed that news. n/t

[CreekDog]

44. so you want us to wait until it's too late to raise a red flag on this?

:eyes:

[CakeGrrl]

58. Saying he's already done or will do it is now called

"Raising a red flag"?

:crazy:

[Tarheel_Dem]

5. Unrec. Per usual....

:rofl:

[brentspeak]

52. And that sums up your entire DU posting history in a nutshell n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

82. Yup. I can't wait for your next gem.

:rofl:

[NorthCarolina]

74. Do you folks have a party planned to celebrate when cuts to Social Security

and Medicare go through?

[Tarheel_Dem]

83. You didn't get your invite?

:rofl:

[canadianbeaver]

6. Its time to turn the US flag upside down again...and maybe that pic

you have.....I have no idea who that man is in the WH....he sure is not the one who campaigned so well...or maybe he is...he is one hell of a camilion...I thought this guy was fair and just...I guess he is just not fair.

[great white snark]

11. His pic tries to portray a fairness that hasn't been there since day one.

He might as well get rid of it.

[woolldog]

14. It portrays that I'm a fan

Of Shepard Fairey and his work. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar *

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[woolldog]

18. I have admitted no such thing.

I was an Obama supporter from the start. I have no idea who this guy is in the white house though. Not the same Obama I supported since early on.

[jefferson_dem]

24. Uh huh...

Right.

The board is littered with your "outrage" over Obama.

For example, in January: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=148310&mesg_id=148310

And your "last straw" last May when he nominated Kagan: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=433&topic_id=291173

[woolldog]

25. So?

I never admitted what you said I admitted.

[jefferson_dem]

26. Sure you did.

...But that's ok. Have you fun.

[woolldog]

30. ah, no I didnt

which is why you couldn't link to it, and what you linked to had nothing to do with my sigpic and the admission you claim I made about my sigpic

[jefferson_dem]

33. Here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=660845&mesg_id=661000

Yeah, you're busted. But, as I say... it doesn't really matter. Go on and do your thang...

[woolldog]

34. Nope

That's not an admission that I have my sigpic there as a joke, which is what you claimed.

Nice try though.

[CreekDog]

49. look, i don't know you, but i know what the problem really is

it's just about the main thrust against your OP:

look at the arguments:

1) it's not a threat until it's in big, bold print and passed/signed legislation
2) you're a hater anyway
3) you can't have ever liked Obama because you criticized him once in 2009 and once in 2010.

:shrug:

[CreekDog]

47. what you're saying is very simple --one couldn't have supported Obama in the past if...

they ever criticized him in the past 2.5 years.

what you're saying is that if I vigorously supported him in 2008, but then criticized him in 2009 or 2010, that i'm just a hater.

what that means is you're calling hundreds of people here that.

[CreekDog]

46. The OP said he supported Obama in 2008

do you have difficulty with reading comprehension?

[jefferson_dem]

59. LOL.

Believe what you want. I'll call bullshit when I see it.

[NorthCarolina]

75. Big deal, who the hell ISN'T outraged at Obama, except for conservatives licking their chops

over the likelihood of cuts to Social Security and Medicare?

[canadianbeaver]

28. Well for me.....as a citizen of another country......

who had raised my hopes for the USA, with his election and victory, I see Obama as someone who is willing to roll over for compromise that just doesn't exist with the Repubs....I really think he has had it with the babies in DC...and may not really care if he is re-elected.

I would love to see his progressive side....but progress has become a bad word in the US...as is the word accountability....IMHO

I have a young american brother and sister in the US, and I fear for their health and for their future....

[woolldog]

31. What I find even scarier

is the number of people on this supposedly "progressive" site who defend the man, no matter how much he sells out.

[emilyg]

65. They're in love with Obama - our

country and it's citizens - not so much.

[Vattel]

76. It's a bit creepy, isn't it?

[emilyg]

85. Creepy and frustrating.

[NorthCarolina]

77. They are here to do their job...Obsfucate. n/t

[CreekDog]

45. Well I supported Obama and I agree

and I'm not alone here.

[jefferson_dem]

7. You sure?

*cough* *cough*

At least you didn't say "Democrat Party".

[ClarkUSA]

10. lol

;)

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. +1

:thumbsup:

[great white snark]

8. What changes are being rushed through?

Links?

[ZombieHorde]

9. Your OP reads as if something was decided. I went and checked the news after I read this.

Fortunately, your OP is not based on facts.

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. "Fortunately, your OP is not based on facts."

:applause:

I think if you'll do a search, it never is. Tends toward hair-on-fire, unsubstantiated rumormongering.

[MrDiaz]

16. LOL

"Why are all these fundamental CHANGES to the safety net being rushed through?"

YOU VOTED FOR CHANGE RIGHT?

[woolldog]

20. lol

[Tx4obama]

21. Why are you publicly accusing Obama of something he has NOT done? n/t

[Fearless]

36. What he has done has damanged social programs enough already.

[MrDiaz]

22. What is obama

Doing in order to be called a Democrat? Give me 10 things he has done. Please, I'm looking for reasons to give him my vote!

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[Tx4obama]

42. Here's a link to a LIST

A long partial LIST of what Obama has done since January 2009

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

[polmaven]

63. Oh NOOOOOO!

Not :hide: the LIST :hide:

AAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!

[Sheepshank]

70. the request for a list has been provided......

you, pretending it was a spontaneous or unrequested insertion into a thread is disingenuous.

[polmaven]

72. But---The LIST

is not allowed here! Didn't you know?

(wringing hands!) (grabbing hair):wow:

[Sheepshank]

86. No need to reinvent the wheel is there?

so pearl clutching makes little sense.

[MrDiaz]

90. O NO THE LIST RETURNS

Fiscal Responsibility.
Really.

Improving the Economy, Preventing Depression.
When? Still seems like a depression to me.

Wall Street Reforms and Consumer Protection.
LMFAO

Civil Rights and Anti-Discrimination
OK

Fighting Poverty
Not well enough.

Improved Foreign Relations and American Status Abroad.
Sure keep the wars going that he promised to stop. O yea and throw in a couple more.

Better Approach to “Defense”
Come on man.

Treating Soldiers and Veterans with Respect
Want to show real respect, why not bring them home.

Education
How many teachers are being laid off?

Greater Transparency and Better Government
COME ON MAN.

National Safety and Security
Yay!!! for the TSA.

Science, Technology and Health Care
NASA will no longer send shuttles to space, Health care with no public option.

Strengthening the Middle Class and Families
REALLY

Environment and Energy
Little progress is being made.

Other Stuff
LIBYA, AFGHANISTAN escalated, Guantonamo still operational.

REAL AWESOME LIST.

[DevonRex]

23. AFAIK nothing has been done yet. You psychic or something?

[MrDiaz]

29. LOL

I try.

[AmericaIsGreat]

32. You did

A center Democrat. Not a liberal progressive democrat.

[Fearless]

38. No Democrat cuts vital social programs. Anyone who does is no Democrat.

[great white snark]

50. Eeek. Clinton isn't a Democrat?

Better re-write the history books.

[Fearless]

51. Correct. He was a moderate. A corporate centrist.

[great white snark]

55. There are moderate Democrats. Big tent and all that...

Luckily you don't get to choose for the rest of us just who is or is not a Democrat.

[polmaven]

64. As a matter of fact

the majority of Democrats are moderates.

[Fearless]

80. There are moderate Dems... and there are right leaning Dems... then there are Centrists.

Or Moderates. Then left leaning Republicans. Centrist Republicans. The "wing nuts". And the Tea Party.


Moderates do not believe in many of the things that Democrats do which leads to the passing of things like DOMA, DADT, NAFTA, and tampering with Social Security. Democrats do not do these things. Moderates do. It doesn't make them evil mind you. It is just a clearly different point of view.

[NorthCarolina]

66. Clinton was a DLC Democrat, same as Obama. There is a huge difference between a "Democrat"

and a "DLC New Democrat". One is a protector of the social safety net and an advocate for the people, while the other is simply a Republican with a "D" after their name at the ballot box.

[jefferson_dem]

67. Please provide a list of all real "Democrats" for handy future reference.

I would hate to have to track you down every time to find out who's legit and who is not.

Obama as DLC? :scared: ... Only that he never was actually a member of this defunct group of ... Democrats.

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[StarsInHerHair]

73. dlc new dems have their own lists of members-go read them

[jefferson_dem]

78. Are you now or have you ever been a member of ...

some group of Democrats that I claim impure. :scared:

McCarthy would be proud of your little witch hunt.

[damntexdem]

37. I thought I supported one through the primaries and the election.

We were mistaken.

But I keep trying to draw on historical perspective. Even after enacting Medicare and Medicaid and other Great Society initiatives (including the Older Americans Act), Democratic President LBJ betrayed us by escalating Vietnam into a major war. I very much felt the betrayal then, and I was happy that LBJ decided not to run for another term -- he didn't deserve to be reelected. Participating in the attack on SS and Medicare could produce the same result for Obama, although he WILL run in 2012. Or he might be reelected. In any case, he doesn't deserve to be; and it would be without my vote. That is, unless he flip flops again and stands behind SS and Medicare. But I don't expect that to happen.

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[jzodda]

41. I posted something similar last week in a fit of depression

along the lines of "Why should I vote in 2012"

When I came to my senses I realize that there is no alternative at all. The likes of a tea party person coming to power is way way too dangerous a possibility. The 2009 health care law must be protected and given a chance to be fully implemented. If we don't vote Dem or stay home and a Rethug takes over-they may well be able to repeal the health law and undo a move towards giving the uninsured a chance. For me that's too important to ignore.

[JimGinPA]

43. Who Did You Vote For, McCain?

:eyes:

[Jakes Progress]

48. You voted for a New Democrat.

Remember New Coke?

[ClarkUSA]

54. Yeah, New Coke = Bill Clinton.

[Jakes Progress]

87. Yeah, New Coke = Bill Clinton = Barack Obama

Now you're getting it.

[golfguru]

53. Obama is right on this one...

he is the president of ALL people, not just one party.
My congrats for getting the best deal possible under the circumstances.

[harun]

88. LOL, hmmm wonder how Reagan raised the debt ceiling 17 times?

All while the Democrats had a majority in the House of Representatives THE WHOLE TIME.

If Obama cuts SS or Medicare it's because he wants to cut SS or Medicare. Doesn't have a damn thing to do with the debt ceiling. If it did he would get out there, along with his cabinet and scream bloody murder that the GOP was holding the Country hostage over this and blackmailing the Administration with total collapse of the economic system if they didn't do it. Wouldn't exactly be true but it would be what you go out and say if you want to get your way.

[NorthCarolina]

56. CHANGE You Can Believe In!

:patriot:

[jefferson_dem]

60. "How's That Hopey-Changey Stuff Working Out For Ya?"

:patriot:

[CakeGrrl]

57. It's Groundhog Day!

:hi:

[jschurchin]

61. The Democratic Party has changed.

Unfortunatly it is no longer the party of the middle class. It has become the party of Reagan. FDR and JFK are rolling over in their graves.

[slackmaster]

62. I grieve for the missing letter "t"

:argh:

[Sheepshank]

71. took me a sec...but finally caught on...lol n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

69. This OP is a fresh take...

[Vattel]

79. He doesn't want to slash SS and Medicare benefits.

Granted, he does want to trim them. Raising the eligibility age for Medicare from 65 to 67, for example, is a trim, not a slash. He is on our side. He said that he would refuse to extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich. OK, I admit that he is also willing to provide more permanent tax cuts for the rich by lowering the top tax rate. But don't be too hard on him. If he doesn't make these concessions, then, um, er, something bad will happen.

[Honeycombe8]

89. That's not the plan. Guess you haven't heard. The COLA will be cut,...

decreasing SS recipients benefits by as much as 10% gradually.

That's a lot of money to elderly people living on a shoestring. It hits our most vulnerable very hard. Very hard. And they're too old to do anything about it. Can't go out and get a job. Either unhealthy, or no one would hire them.

Medicare cuts...increase the cost of premiums, I think. I THINK those increases are based on income, which means it's a tax increase for the wealthy, but I'm not sure it turned out JUST being for the wealthy.

No two ways about it...serious cuts...on the table....being agreed to by Democrats. And Social Security having nothing to do with the deficit.

[lonestarnot]

81. What bullshit.

[Palmer Eldritch]

84. Will you continue this vendetta until 2016?