Let me ask - if Obama had said DURING THE CAMPAIGN that he was in favor

[Doctor_J]

of cutting SS, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits, would you still have supported him? Or do you feel that at this point you have to support him because he's all we have, so you have to go along with his far right economic policies

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[Somawas]

3. +1

[tridim]

2. Hear that DU? Obama is now not just a Republican, he is "far right"

You're good Doctor_J. Congratulations.

[Doctor_J]

4. HIs policies are much closer to the teabaggers than to mine

or Bernie Sanders. They're far to the right of Ronald Reagan's. So far right is apt.

[tridim]

6. Yea, whatever Doc. Worse than Bachmann.

I don't think I've seen a more idiotic post in my 10 years on DU. Again, congratulations.

Do you even know what "far right" means?

[demwing]

10. What nonsense

I've seen some really sketchy posts, and the OP doesn't even come close.

Honestly though, your knee-jerk reaction to the OP ain't much to whistle at. Your twisting the OP's "his far right economic policies" quote into your "Worse than Bachmann" nonsense is typical of the hyperbole with which any criticism of the President is met.

[whathehell]

11. Bachmann's a Sideshow....She'd never win a general election n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

52. And if Obama had run as a Dennis Kucinich, he wouldn't have won either.

Progressives have to accept the fact that they are not the majority of the Democratic Party, and never were, as evidenced by every poll ever released of the president's job approval. That's the reason why he's still so popular at this point in his presidency, despite the barrage of daily attacks from the "progressive" part of the base. I think Gallup bears this out. :hi:

[Cherchez la Femme]

89. Yah,

cause Dennis advocates for such really, really bad things!
Imagine, putting We, the People before Corporations! :rofl:


Oh yeah, and he's seen a UFO too!


Why, those politicians whom God da Fadda Himself told to run :rofl: themselves at the very idea!

Hahahahahahaha!


What a tool.

[Tarheel_Dem]

110. "What a tool". The rank & file thought so too. Dennis "Beam Me Up" Kucinich 2012, dammit!

In Venezuela! :rofl:

[whathehell]

54. Whatever, Ignored.

[Armstead]

37. Gee I thought you had figured mine were the most idiotic posts

[tridim]

39. I don't think I've ever seen you claim Obama is "far right".

Or have you? Feel free to clear that up if you want.

[Armstead]

43. Naw....but probably have called him a conservative on occasion.

[muffin1]

45. Do you ever

read your own posts?

[tridim]

50. No, just yours.

Because they're so awesome.

[Forkboy]

115. You've made a wise move in skipping your own.

:thumbsup:

[Scuba]

114. He's way to the right of the American People....

...and way to the right of traditional Democratic ideals.

If his only platform in 2012 is "not the Republican" he's in big trouble.

[styersc]

77. Sad but true.

2012 is a nightmare. With no progressives on the horizon for the dems and the nastiest bunch of rightwingers gaining control of the GOP. We have no quarter.

[lumberjack_jeff]

75. You can be a democrat for a day.

Yay for us!

[roguevalley]

76. I would not have voted for him over any number of issues, these

included. I make it a point of honor not to vote republicans into major offices.

[ProSense]

5. You think he would have won?

" Or do you feel that at this point you have to support him because he's all we have, so you have to go along with his far right economic policies"

You mean like these "far right economic policies":

Health Reform Expands Medicaid Coverage For People with Disabilities

How Obama is shoring up federal authority over Medicaid

New ad campaign touts preventive care benefits of health reform law

[Armstead]

7. The problem is, his administration does those things with one hand, while...

At the same time he works to create a larger framework that will inhibitvthe government from taking positive initiatives in the future.

He's done that in many ways, including his currsnt push for a "grand bargain". That further pushes the country towards the conservative and right wing framework that will stifle both basic services and the prospects for further progressive initiatives in the years ahead.

[ProSense]

14. That makes no sense. n/t

[Armstead]

29. I agree, but that is what is happening

[Donnachaidh]

48. a grand shell game he's playing, eh? n/t

[Armstead]

63. I don't know if its deliberate or just short sighted

but the result will be the same

[no limit]

56. Prosense, are you personally for or against cutting medicare, raising the SS retirement age

while giving the rich additional tax cuts.

I would love your personal opinion on the matter.

[RC]

8. If Obama had done that, we would have Hillery as President.

[Exultant Democracy]

58. In retrospect I was far too hard on Clinton. It seems like she was honest about what she was about

While Obama pretended to be a progressive when in fact his positions turned out to be the same as or to the right of the positions that we knew Clinton would take.

[RC]

71. I hate being lied to.

Hillery, even though she is right of center, isn't as far over as Obama seems to be.

[treestar]

9. No candidate talks about having an opposing party Congress

during the campaign. Of course he is not "in favor" of the cuts. We gave him a Republican Congress and a debt ceiling law.

Why don't you blame Congress for this? Why don't you blame Republicans?

Do you blame yourself when you have issues with other people?

[demwing]

12. Here's an idea - hold Congress responsible for what Congress says and does

and hold Obama responsible for what Obama says and does.

If Obama is willing to put SS, Medicare, and Medicaid on the table, why point the finger elsewhere? Is the man held to no standard at all?

[treestar]

111. So you'd prefer the default?

That's the other option.

Whatever fallout from the default there is going to be, you are fine with that?

We're in this bind due to a Republican Congress. If they don't raise the debt ceiling, there's a default.

They don't raise the ceiling unless they get something they want.

Why not point the finger at Republicans? Elsewhere? Yes, at the Republicans.

[demwing]

112. Here's how I imagine someone must look, struggling to defend Obama

from any responsibility for his actions:

[treestar]

124. What about Republicans and their actions?

Why are you letting Republicans off the hook? Very suspicious.

[demwing]

126. How about Hitler?

You haven't condemned Hitler. Or Pol Pot....

Sketchy...very sketchy...

[demwing]

127. And BTW, if I called out some Republicans

would you defend them as well?

[treestar]

128. NO. Why are you not blaming them?

I am a Democrat and I blame Republicans for getting us into this mess and then aggravating it. Now that they have the House, they have more power to do so.

I despise Republicans. I would not do anything to assist them, as some so suspiciously do by claiming to be Democrats but then blaming Democrats for the fact that Republicans are assholes.

[demwing]

129. Same reason you 're not blaming Hitler for the Holocaust

because it's OBVIOUS...

But it isn't obvious (to some, apparently) that Obama is following the corporate directive. And what is true, but undiscussed, needs to BE discussed.

[vi5]

13. He's not in favor of the cuts?

Who put together the debt commission? I believe that was Obama.

What members did he pick to staff as his choices for that commission? Were they staunch pro Social Security and Medicare advocates?

Congress didn't do either of those things.

And when people on here complained about both of those things, the excuses that were dished out by the apologists were "Oh it doesn't matter. It's not binding if they don't have a unanimous decision. So when they came out with their crappy plan, we were all told "Oh stop worrying about it. It's not going anywhere. Obama knew it wouldn't get a unanimous decision so this was a big, grand ploy to stick it to the Repubs."

Well know....what do you know. We have this manufactured crisis that HE brought into and allowed them to frame and what is the solution that he's endorsing? "Well hey hey hey......look at this. What's this Deficit commission plan doing here? Well what do you say we take another look at this thing?!?!?"

The notion that he doesn't want to cut social security and medicare and is being forced into it by Congress is at this point, so much bullshit.

And I do blame myself when I have issues with other people, if I allow those people to kick me around, tell me what I should and shouldn't do, and fail to stand up for myself or what my core principles in life are. You're damn right I'll blame myself. I take responsibility for my actions and my choices.

[woo me with science]

26. Shhhhh

His opposition to benefit cuts is supposed to be a SECRET!

He is only repeatedly making speeches defending them and repeatedly praising the Gang of Six Plan because he is very SNEAKY!

[Armstead]

30. BINGO.

[seaglass]

61. He said raising the retirement age for SS was on the table before he was elected.

Then tried to walk it back, stating that there were other better solutions.

I did not trust him on SS but HOPED that it was just some election ploy that he would not in fact support when he was elected.

[Doctor_J]

16. I do blame the Congress for this

But the president is enabling and encouraging them. I ask again, why does he not come out forcefully against any cuts to Medicare and SS? Why does he seem to have absolutely no point on which he won't compromise? George Bush also had a debt ceiling law, and the same Repukes who are now threatening Obama voted every year Bush was president to raise the ceiling. Why doesn't Obama say this, every time someone brings up the ceiling? Why doesn't he fight back against the people whose express objective is to destroy him???

[lumberjack_jeff]

74. He didn't have an opposing party congress

when he signed a health care bill without a public option.

His economic policies are far right. The handwriting was on the wall for anyone who could read when he hired Austan Goolsbee from the University of Chicago.

[Leontius]

92. Congress didn't link Social Security to the deficit and debt problem

Obama did. This is his game, this is his betrayal of the keystone of the Democratic Party for the last 80 years. At least Reagan and the Bushs were honest you always knew the were the enemy.

[DURHAM D]

15. What do/did you think it meant when he trashed Baby Boomers?

*they need to get over themselves

* move beyond the tired ideological battles of the 1960s

* I feel like I am watching the psychodrama of the baby boom generation...



Did you not understand his problem with the middle/working class?

[emulatorloo]

17. Except he has never said he is "In Favor of Cutting Benefits'

I know DU thinks he has but he hasn't.

There are ways to make the programs more efficient without cutting benefits. You could cut a lot of money going to SS direct deposit of checks rather than printing and mailing.

ON EDIT: there were cuts in Medicare in HCR - not to benefits, but to waste and to providers by being more stringent about their costs.

As you remember Karl Rove ran with lie ads that claimed "DEMOCRATS CUT MEDICARE". No they didn't cut medicare benefits, they cut waste and fraud,
'
What I am seeing on DU lately is a bunch of unintential Karl Rovisms. You can cut funds to a programs without cutting benefits, by making it more efficient.

[Doctor_J]

23. So why hasn't he said that he's NOT in favor?

Surely if he had a firm commitment to preserve subsistence for the elderly, he would be shouting it every day. Furthermore, everyone knows that Simpson-Bowles/Gang Of 6 is recommending cuts, and the president HAS stated that that plan is in line with his own. Which brings us back to the fact that he won't commit to preserving benefits. Why not?

[whathehell]

24. +10

[emulatorloo]

82. So have you stopped beating you wife yet?

[Creideiki]

117. I'm gay and have never beaten my husband

I have been a battered spouse, though.

How about you?

[Dawgs]

18. Well, some think that if he said it in 2008 that suddenly makes it an okay Democratic position now.

:crazy:

[emulatorloo]

20. strawman

[Dawgs]

27. Not strawman. Some believe this right here on DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=716461&mesg_id=716577

[emulatorloo]

35. Sorry strawman. There is nothing in that post that says "Okay Democratic Principle"

It is a fact that Obama campaigned on sending more troops to Afghanistan. ProSense's post presents that fact to DU'ers who were surprised when he did. Has nothing to do with "okay" or "not okay". It has to do with the fact that Obama openly said he would send more troops.

Now find me a quote where a DU'er says it is a Democratic Principle to Cut Benefits. You won't find one.

Nor will you find a quote from Obama saying he is "In Favor Of Cutting Benefits." He has not said that.

Programs can have cuts which attack waste w/o cutting benefits. Medicare was "cut" in HCR, but the target was waste, and being more stringent with Providers.

Much of DU seems to be unable to make that distinction.

I can think of one adjustment that could be made to SS that would save money and not effect benefits. Go to mandatory direct deposit of checks for receipients that have bank accounts. There are lots of ways to cut costs that don't involve cutting benefits.

[Dawgs]

55. First of all, the WH has already admitted that they are willing to raise Medicare age to 67.

Is that not a cut?

Second, ProSense's argument was in a discussion about whether Obama was a Democrat or not. He implied that because Obama supported it as a candidate and was elected that it suddenly makes it okay for a Democrat to escalate war. Spin it all you want. That's what it says.

It relates to the OP because Democrats should not vote for someone that campaigns on non-Democratic positions; especially when they're as big as entitlement programs and war.

[Leontius]

96. That's already being done no one newly enrolled gets checks

all checks being phased out of the program only direct deposit in a few years.

[CakeGrrl]

19. Unrec. The bizarre notion that he is IN FAVOR of this is still prevalent. -nt

[emulatorloo]

21. What you said n/t

[woo me with science]

25. Yes, because he has come out with very strong statements against it!

Where are those links again?

I keep finding the ones with praise in them. Damn!

[emulatorloo]

28. You act as if he has come out with Very Strong Statements in favor of cutting SS benefits

He hasn't.

[Armstead]

31. When you endorse the product of a committee you created, you are endorsing....

....the results.

[emulatorloo]

36. Show me the full endorsment you claim he gave.

tepid nicey nice comments don't count.

[Armstead]

40. I'm not going to go on a wild google goose chase for you...

But you can look up what he has said publicly in recent days and listen or read it without blinders on.

[emulatorloo]

81. If you guys want to make up shit, the burden of proof is on you.

A sensationalized speculative op-Ed doesn't count, nor does psychotic word Parsing.

[Armstead]

99. Google is your friend

President Obamas own words are readily available

[woo me with science]

46. Wow, I never thought of that!

Just because he is repeatedly and publicly making "nicey nice" comments about it doesn't mean he LIKES it!

It surely means just the OPPOSITE!

[emulatorloo]

87. Show me where Obama fully threw his support to the gang of 6 proposal

You can't do it because he didn't do it.

[woo me with science]

123. I KNOW! He never FULLY did it! HE never said the word FULLY!!!!!

ALL he did was say NICE things about it! Just because he ONLY PRAISED IT doesn't mean he LIKES it!!!!!

I am sure it means just the OPPOSITE!!!!!!!

[vi5]

33. Then why won't he say...

"I will veto any plan that has cuts to SS and Medicare/Medicaid."

There were I think 2 other things this week that he came out and said he would veto. So if he's against these cuts, he can say he'll veto any legislation, any budget, any whatever that has them.

It's that simple. Something is "on the table" or something is "off the table". He has said that the Gang of 6 plan (which polish the turd however you want is still cutting those programs) is "on the table".

He has not said that cuts to SS and Medicare are "off the table".

[emulatorloo]

38. Because efficiency cuts can be made w/o cutting benefits. Medicare fraud/waste was cut in HCR

Karl Rove lie ads claimed "Obama Cut Medicare!". No, the law cut waste, overpayments to providers, etc etc.

DU cannot seem to make that distinction. Clinton cut medicare early on too - but the cuts were all on the provider side.

[Armstead]

42. Provider cuts also affect patients

i won't claim that there is not a lot of waste and overpayments going on.

But "reforms" of Medicare and Medicaid are often a slippery slope with unintended (or perhaps intended) consequences.

Hospitals and physicians can get screwed, which also affects the treatment (or non treatment) patients receive.

As someone who has had to deal with elderly relatives, could tell ypu some real horror stories about the results in the real world.

[emulatorloo]

84. So you are the only one who has had to deal with elderly relatives?

Awfully presumptuous of you.

[Armstead]

98. I didn't say that

I was merely using my own experience as an example. Perhaps you have your own horror stories.

If so, I suggest you take a moment and connect a few dots.

[woo me with science]

47. I know! It's CRAZY!

Just because he says in his press conferences that "trimming benefits...is what compromise entails," and just because he talks "nicey nice" about a plan that cut benefits, people are getting all CRAZY and thinking he wants to cut benefits!

It's just insane!

[jefferson_dem]

22. "...in favor..."

False premise. Hence, a bogus question. Dismissed and unrecc'd.

[RoadRage]

32. +100000

[Armstead]

34. Even if he is passively allowing it to happen by endorsing the plans of those who do?

[emulatorloo]

41. Which plans has he "Endorsed"?

He made tepid nice talk about Gang of 6. mostly because it was Bipartisan.

"Endorsement" means actively throwing your full weight behind something. He has done no such thing.

[whosinpower]

44. Google it

Obama endorses gang of six plan

Many articles are stating such - and I have not seen a single White House press release stating otherwise.

[woo me with science]

49. That's right! He has not used that word specifically!

Just because his public statements praise the plan and defend benefit cuts as a part of a compromise shouldn't give people the idea that he wants to cut benefits or likes the plan!

What kind of crazy logic would THAT be??????

[tridim]

51. The President has not defended "benefit cuts"

Woo me with lies.

[woo me with science]

53. I KNOW!!!!!!

How could anybody possibly interpret THIS as arguing for benefit cuts????!!!!

It's CRAZY!!!!!!!


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/11/press-conference-president

And so, yeah, we’re going to have a sales job; this is not pleasant. It is hard to persuade people to do hard stuff that entails trimming benefits and increasing revenues. But the reason we’ve got a problem right now is people keep on avoiding hard things, and I think now is the time for us to go ahead and take it on.









It is so UNFAIR! Because the plan gives the millionaires cuts too!!!!! TAX cuts!

[Mimosa]

70. Yes. 'Make government 'meaner' to quote POTUS...

From White House link:

"That includes health spending. It includes some programs that I like very much, and we -- be nice to have, but that we can’t afford right now."

Cut spending for health, don't let us have a single payer system...let the sick and elderly die if they can't afford good health care.

[emulatorloo]

79. Except you skip the part about TaX hikes for the wealthy

You are working from a faulty premise, that Obama's plan is the same as gang of 6 plan.

[Doctor_J]

93. The plan from the Gang Bang of 6 has no revenue increases

everyone agrees on that

[emulatorloo]

78. Sorry, enough already. You are full of shit. Show me where Obama "defends benefit cuts."

Show me where he has fully thrown his support behind Gang of Six. You can't because he hasn't

[woo me with science]

109. You are right! Defending TRIMMING benefits is not the same as defending CUTTING benefits!

How could anyone think that? Cutting is bad! But TRIMMING is good!
Like you TRIM the tree at Christmas!!!!!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/11/press-conference-president

"And so, yeah, we’re going to have a sales job; this is not pleasant. It is hard to persuade people to do hard stuff that entails trimming benefits and increasing revenues. But the reason we’ve got a problem right now is people keep on avoiding hard things, and I think now is the time for us to go ahead and take it on."







p.s! I AGREE with you! Just because he has said only NICE things about the plan does not mean he actually likes it! I am sure it means just the OPPOSITE!

[no limit]

57. Do you personally support raising the social security retirement age

and cutting medicare while giving the rich tax cuts?

Would love to hear your personal opinion on the matter. Again, just your personal opinion, nothing to do with Obama, nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans, just your own personal opinion on the issue.

[jefferson_dem]

64. My personal opinion:

Of course, I oppose raising the retirement age and cutting medicare... especially when the richsters have been enjoying their tax cuts.

I would love to get everything I want politically, and loath that we have to consider such a bargain. At the same time, I fully realize American politics is about "art of compromise". I'm cool with that.

[no limit]

65. So you are willing to compromise those issues away

in return for what?

[jefferson_dem]

67. Well, I am not part of the negotiations.

So it doesn't really matter what I am willing to do.

Obviously, we need some type of reconciliation given that the debt ceiling is about to be reached and I would rather not see services shut down and the US default.

[no limit]

68. I know you aren't part of the negotiations, but surely you have an opinion

how much would you at minimum expect to get in return for raising the retirement age, cutting medicare, and lowering taxes on the rich?

Is just getting the debt ceiling raised good enough for you?

[Creideiki]

118. SS contributes nothing to the debt ceiling

Let me say that again--

SS contributes nothing to the deficit or debt, so it has no effect on the debt ceiling. It was specifically designed that way.

If you don't trust me, check out Bernie Sanders: sanders.senate.gov

[StarsInHerHair]

83. I recc'd it

[ProSense]

59. Look

the President is winning against the real RW.

It's disappointing, but true!

[bvar22]

60. No.

*If he said he would push Mandates with NO Public Option,
I would not have supported him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acc6Wn_BWlk


*If he said he would push for MORE Free Trade,
I would not have supported him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LtbLEKHsi0&NR=1

*If he had said he would Trash Can EFCA on Day One,
I would not have supported him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMNVIQqatyU

*If he had said that Organized LABOR was on their own,
I would not have supported him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o

*If he had said he would hammer out deals with Republicans in back rooms without the Progressive Caucus,
I would not have supported him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU

*If he said he would continue Bush's worst Police State Policies,
I would not have supported him.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/respect-my-authoritah

If he said he would start WARS without Congressional approval,
I would not have supported him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8

[ProSense]

62. "*If he had...

said that Organized LABOR was on their own,
I would not have supported him."

N.L.R.B. Rules Would Streamline Unionizing

Do you support that?

[cottonseed]

66. Seems like Romney is the right choice for Progressives in 2012.

He's considered moderate to Obama's far right policies. If that's where the real progressives want me to go. Then that's where I'll go.

[Mimosa]

72. That's silly.

The DLC and DNC know we've got no alternative. But they just want us to stop complaining.

[Doctor_J]

94. Ah, yes, jumped to Stage VI

"You want Bachmann to be president". Nice try, but after the 1000th repeat it starts to sound stupid

[Mimosa]

69. No. Of course not. n/t

[Enrique]

73. yes, it would have been seen as a chess strategy

he doesn't really mean it, he's a stealth progressive, etc.

[Tx4obama]

80. Unrec. Obama is NOT in support of cutting benefits.

Obama is in support of cutting over-payments, fraud, overhead, waste, etc.
AND he said so during the 2008 campaign.

[emulatorloo]

85. The new spin is that cuts like that will " secretly" effect beneficiaries.

See above.

[ClarkUSA]

86. But President Obama has never ever said that. Why are you misleading people?

What is your purpose in pushing a false premise?

[Doctor_J]

90. Here ya go

From senate.sanders.gov, "Highlights" of the gang of six plan

n other words, 100% of the deficit reduction achieved by the Gang of Six plan is through spending cuts to programs like Medicare, Medicaid, education, child care, Head Start, LIHEAP, environmental protection, and other programs that the sick, the elderly, the children, and working families need.

Now here is the president's opinion of said plan

Well, what I would say is that -- again, as I said yesterday, it represents significant broad support along the lines of the approach the president took.

Add in the fact that this commission was chosen by the president, so he can hardly reject their product, and you have a bleak outlook for programs implemented by FDR and LBJ. What's more, the fact that the president is even talking about deficit reduction at all is most troubling. I would just like to hear him say, once, any single one of the following.

1. More than 150 on the Congress who are now threatening to bring the country down over the debt ceiling voted to raise it 8 times while President Bush was in office. Their concern now is hypocritical, partisan, and anti-American

2. I would like to recall that President Clinton handed M. Bush a balanced budget, and Mr. Bush borrowed more money than every other president in history combined, and every single Republican voted to let him do that. So their sudden concern over borrowing does not concern me in the least, becuase I know that it is based not on sound economics, nor on the good of the country, but their intense desire to see me fail

3. You may have read that Eric Cantor has recently made investments that will make him very rich, provided he and the Republican congress can sink the economy of the country. Then again you may not have read it, since most of the newspapers only print what Karl Rove tells them to print. Anyway, while Cantor's actions are probably not treason, it is very cynical, and it's not going to work if I can help it.

4. Bitch McConnell has stated repeatedly that his primary goal is to ruin my presidency. Obviously causing the economy to crash would be a big feather in his camp. But you can see that entering into a bargain with a man who would sink that low would be a very bad idea, so it's not going to happen.

5. Yesterday it was revealed that the republicans are going to reject the commission's recommendations for the simple reason that I like it. As far as I am concerned that was the end of good faith bargaining. My consideration of their ideas ended when I heard that. They decided to turn this into a war, and guess what - they got it.

Or, for Christ's sake, just say that there won't be any benefit cuts!!! What the fuck is so hard about that?

[ClarkUSA]

100. Rhetoric is not proof. Pres. Obama has always said he'd never cut SS or Medicare benefits.

Why are you posting a misleading OP that implies otherwise?

[Doctor_J]

103. Can you point me to a link?

I would think if he's committed to not cutting SS or medicare benefits, he would be repeating that every single day, so that the rumors of impending draconian cuts would cease. I would also think that someone besides you would have mentioned it. Whenever anyone brings it up, the subject gets changed. If you go watch the interview with James Galbraith in the video forum, he says explicitly that Obama promised the Dem money people that he would drastically cut entitlements. But if you can find a link to a quote where the president or a spokesperson says unequivocally, "The president will not cut benefits", I will submit.

[ClarkUSA]

104. Read his SOTU address. There is also this --->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=712855&mesg_id=712997

[ClarkUSA]

105. Now since you obviously have no proof to back up your OP, tell me why you are misleading people.

[JustAnotherGen]

88. I would not have

Voted for him . . . I might not have voted at all.

[Leontius]

91. More and more it seems Obama is Scott Walker.

[ProSense]

95. More and more

teh stupid burns!

[Leontius]

107. At least now that you know you have this problem

you can cure yourself. The first step is to admit that obama sold a bill of goods that were not his true beliefs to Democrats to get in and now the real agenda is being revealed. He may yet lose like bush did when he tried to loot the trust fund, one can only hope he does and pays the price.

[tammywammy]

113. Oh, FFS! n/t

[BigDemVoter]

97. In response to your question. . .

NO!! I would NEVER have supported him.

NONETHELESS, he IS what we have right now. It is NOT going to change, and I'm going to support him wholeheartedly, although I may bitch about him here on DU with all of you!

Obama has my FULL support. Do I agree with him 100%? Hell no. Do I even support him 60%? Probably not even that much, but I certainly agree with him a lot fucking more than I do with any of the repig clowns that are flapping their cake holes.

[MisterP]

101. they still would've made posts saying "you'd spurn Him even if FDR himself came back from heaven and

anointed Him" (yes, that's a paraphrase of an actual DU post from '08 or '09)
"you love Jane Hamster, who worked with Norquist, who wants to cut SS and Medicare!"

[ClarkUSA]

102. Again, why are you misleading people? Pres. Obama never said those things. Quite the opposite.

[Politicalboi]

106. If it was still between him and Hillary

I would have voted for Hillary. Even with the "sniper fire" bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc

:rofl: I love this video.

[ClarkUSA]

108. "White House Pushes Back On SS and Medicare Cut Rumors" (July 7, 2011)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/07/992064/-White-House-Pushes-Back-On-SS-and-Medicare-Cut-Rumors!

[Creideiki]

116. Obama won the election once the economy crashed in '08

Remember the days before with McCain bleating, "The fundamentals of the economy are strong!" and then the day of the crash "suspending his campaign".

At that point, Obama was a shoo-in. He could have won if he said that he favored tying kittens up in burlap sacks and tossing them in the river after eating puppies for dinner. (Obama is much better than eating puppies--we all know that--it's hyperbole, people--a literary device. Please retake 9th grade and 10th grade English if you're not getting that. Read some Swift. "A Modest Proposal" is short. "Gulliver's Travels" is better.)

Until the economy crashed, McCain was going to win a squeaker with Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Virginia, NC, Colorado and NM going to him.

[NorthCarolina]

119. Not a chance in hell. I regret my Obama vote now more than ever. I wanted Kucinich

but when he dropped out, and the MSM was pushing Obama with his grand call for "Change", I thought at least "change" means different from Bush. Now I know I was mistaken, he's like a third Bush term, and "change" is what he intends to leave seniors and the poor to live on.


Your annual Social Security benefit
courtesy of Obama, third-way Dems
and the GOP

[Hell Hath No Fury]

120. No. I would have fought against him tooth and nail.

And if he endorses a plan that does include such cuts/changes, I will be forced to fight against him in 2012. :(

[Doctor Hurt]

121. Yep.

[WingDinger]

122. Why is it, all the dumbasses forget that Bush happened, between campaign promises, and armeggedon.

[quiller4]

125. I've been in favor of rasing the retirement age for a decade

so if Obama had suggested that in his campaign, I would have considered it a plus. I don't have a problem with some means testing of Medicare benefits so that wouldn't have bothered me if it had surfaced during the campaign. The Medicaid cuts are all tightening up on provider payment rather than beneficiaries. I'm not bothered by that. Hospitals and clinics have been padding their Medicare and Medicaid billings too long.