Bernie Sanders or Barack Obama?

[MannyGoldstein]

If Sanders became a Democrat and primaried Obama, who would you vote for?

[ProSense]

1. The Monkees

Daydream Believer

[MannyGoldstein]

5. The Clash

Washington Bullets

[ProSense]

6. The Pretenders

Creep

[ClarkUSA]

9. +1000

:rofl:

[MannyGoldstein]

14. King Crimson

The Great Deceiver

[shellgame26]

59. +1

:rofl:

[Wait Wut]

7. !!

:rofl:

Yeah...and thanks for probably getting that song stuck in my head for the rest of the day!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

8. World Party

Ship of Fools

[Scurrilous]

18. The Cure

Friday I'm in Love..with Bernie Sanders!!1!

[Number23]

32. I see your "Daydream Believer"

And raise you

Heart, "These Dreams" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41P8UxneDJE
Aerosmith, "Dream On" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txlXcJDtDwM

and most appropriately

Don McClean, "Fools Paradise" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iAAKzyuhKw

(I never even heard of that last one but I had a feeling that a song title with that name would exist)

[ClarkUSA]

2. 2012 = Nader Redux?

[banned from Kos]

10. In 2000 Nader pulled in 2,883,105 votes or less than 3%

Sanders would not come close to that in 2012 but could still throw the election to the (R).

[ClarkUSA]

13. Someone said he didn't actually say he was thinking about running.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1549576

[Fuddnik]

48. I'll take Nader any day of the week.

At least he made a career out of fighting for consumers and working Americans. Unlike any other politician since 1976.

He rained on a few parades. Tough shit. If our politicians had been doing their jobs, there would have been no need for a Nader.

I still owe him a vote from 2000. If he runs, he gets it!

[elocs]

3. Another DU Alternate Universe poll? I still vote for Obama.

Although if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

[styersc]

4. Brains, balls and honesty!!! Sanders hands down.

Tired of being jerked around!!!!

Why lie for weeks? Why didn't he just cave on day one!!!!!

[styersc]

11. "If Bernie Becomes a Democrat.." ..Do we hold Obama to this?

Come on.

[OutNow]

12. Bernie Sanders - Yup!

I've supported Bernie since he was mayor of Burlington VT. My inlaws lived up there and spread the word about this great guy who governed a city and actually cared about the people. Of course he could never be elected again. It was a fluke. But it wasn't a fluke. He won again and again. Then he ran for Congress as a self-proclaimed socialist. There was no way he could win a statewide election. But he did. Then he ran for the Senate. And won.

Should he run for President? There's almost no chance. But if he does I'll do everything that I can to help.

[Cali_Democrat]

15. The mere fact that Bernie is pulling 40%+ of the vote right now says something about Obama

And many of his conservative policies. He has time to change, but time is running out.

[Kaleva]

17. This is DU. Not the real world.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. I think it says a lot.

People on DU are very political and active compared to others.

If the base is angry, that's not a good sign for Obama.

Obama needs to move left.

[Kaleva]

21. DU is a very small part of the base...

and I'd argue that it's not representative of the base as a whole. But on line polls like this are interesting and do sort of give a sense as to how the DU community itself feels about any issue.

[woo me with science]

22. I was surprised, listening to American Journal on C-SPAN the other day,

how many callers referenced Bernie Sanders. Even though the discussion was about Boehner and Obama, callers kept bringing up Bernie's name as the one politician who is listening to the people.

People are waking up and paying attention....I hope.

[BklnDem75]

34. Actually, it says something about DU...

and it's track record to chose champions who has no chance of being a serious contender outside their state/district. What does it say when you seek someone who caucuses with Democrats instead of actual Democrats?

[struggle4progress]

54. +

[swilton]

45. How would you define genuine change?

After all, consider the numerous campaign promises where he did the exact opposite of what he campaigned on/for.

I'm convinced that if the crucial issues we're dealing with now (protecting social security, medicare, medicaid and the most vulnerable in our population) had even been hinted at by a McCain or other Republican administration, they never would have seen the light of day.

[Top Cat]

51. No it says alot about DU and the hate fullnest of those of us on DU

Don't get me wrong Bernie speaks but that does not mean anything when it comes to the office of the United States of America. These are different times that we live im with the Teaparty and the Dems not supporting a sitting demcratic President.

[Proles]

16. If it's a real possibility.

Then then voting for Sanders would be nice.

[bornskeptic]

20. Bernie Sanders is a great Senator, but he'd be a really bad President.

[swilton]

46. In what way would he be bad?

Could it be any worse than what we've got?

[pettypace]

23. Serious Obama hating on DU

The most leftist Prez in history can't even get a fair shake.

[libmom74]

35. Do you own a history book?

I really have to wonder when people make statements that nonsensical.

[Marsala]

24. Neither! I'd Still Vote Third Party For Nader!

:sarcasm:

[Forkboy]

25. Don't even see the point to this. It's not going to happen.

[ZombieHorde]

27. Many of the polls I make are for their own sake. Polls are fun. nt

[rury]

26. Unrecced for foolishness and myopia

[jenmito]

28. Obama. Sanders would've gotten NOTHING done in his first 2.5 years. n/t

[CakeGrrl]

29. If, if, if, if, if, if, if...direct from Dreamland. Unrec.

[jenmito]

30. +1. n/t

[boxman15]

31. In an absolutely ideal world, Sanders.

But, you're a fool if you think he can be president. It's not going to happen. Sorry.

Either we re-elect Obama and put liberals in Congress, or we're going to be dealing with what we're seeing now or a completely Teabagged Washington.

[boxman15]

33. Also, I'm not sure Sanders has the personality to be president.

Obama has been made out by some on the left to be weak, but he's gotten a hell of a lot out of what've been two awful Congresses.

[cali]

36. if ifs and ands were pots and pans.....

[Pirate Smile]

37. Idiotic.

[DCBob]

38. I flick monkey poo on this poll.

[Peacetrain]

39. But Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat.

And if he became a Democrat.. he would be under the bus with the rest of the Democrats in ohhhhh 10 minutes

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

40. Depeche Mode!!! n/t

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[Fire1]

42. Obama 2012. n/t

[Honeycombe8]

43. False choice, really. Sanders can't win the Presidency.

All it would mean is to send a message. If you vote for Sanders, and I can see why many would, it would be just to send a message...not really voting for a President, since he could never win.

[sce56]

49. Yep with people like you stating that all the time!

If you don't try to change things they will never change! I for one am tired of having to pick the lesser of two evils!

[swilton]

44. Thanks Manny!

[Hippo_Tron]

47. If Bernie Sanders got to the White House, he would be only marginally to the left of Obama

But primaries are generally good for democracy and if Bernie wanted to give it a go, it would certainly be interesting.

[boxman15]

50. Obama can only be as liberal as Congress allows him to be

Same would go for Sanders. You're right.

But, a Sanders primary (or whoever) would do more harm than good. It would make Obama look weak, opening the door for a GOPer in the White House in 2012, which nobody wants. Even if Obama got re-elected then, Congress would still be filled with Republicans and we'd get more moderate, center-right legislation.

Electing liberals to Congress is the only way to "push Obama to the left" as so many want.

[treestar]

52. Leave all other variables the same

What could Sanders do with Boner and Congress that Obama cannot?

[Logical]

53. Maybe nothing, but he would call out the GOP and not put up with blackmail!!

[JoePhilly]

55. Barack Obama or Rick Perry?

Oh wait ... a question of that nature is mean and unfair ... except in that it is about 50 times more likely.

[aaaaaa5a]

56. I voted for Obama

because Obama is CAPABLE OF BEING ELECTED!!!!!


This is a small but important fact that way too many DUers blinded by their liberal ideology fail to see!


Did you like McGovern? Well all his nomination did was give us 4 years of Nixon/Ford.

Did you like Dukakis? His nomination gave us Bush and Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court for a two generations!


Sure Clinton wasn't Mr. Liberal with the DLC, NAFTA, GATT, Welfare Reform etc. but HE COULD GET ELECTED. And he was much better than a second Bush term or President Dole!


You see there is the liberal universe by which this message board operates, and then there is reality.


There are people here that may not like Obama now... but he is much better than President Romney, President Bachmann or President Perry.

Talk of Bernie Sanders is ridiculous. HE IS UNELECTABLE. He will never be the President of the United States. He is to us, what Ron Paul is to conservatives. (Paul will also never be President of the United States).
A Sanders run accomplishes just 1 thing. It assures the Country that the GOP will have the WhiteHouse in 2013. Hmm...I wonder how the Supreme Court look by 2016?


Sometimes I think there are people here that spend too much time on DU, the Daily Kos and with MSNBC Primetime and thus, don't understand the political reality of the rest of the world.

[Gunny1]

57. Voted Sanders but...

We know he won't win the primary. I want to see him lead a credible third party challenge in the generals. Call me crazy but I think there's enough dissatisfaction with BOTH parties that he could make things interesting.

[okieinpain]

58. hahahaha. man this has got to be the funniest post I've ever seen

on DU. yeah go ahead and primary president obama with sen. sanders. hell go ahead and make him the dem nom. hahahahaha, funniest shit ever.