Bernie Sanders endorses Mitch McConnell's proposal

[ProSense]

Senator Sanders

‘I Agree with Mitch McConnell' As an Aug. 2 deadline neared, Sanders stressed the importance of raising the debt ceiling so the United States can continue to pay its bills and avoid default for the first time in history. In a phrase he probably never uttered before, Sanders embraced a proposal by the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to raise the debt ceiling now and debate what to do about deficits during the 2012 campaign. "Let's take the case to the American people," Sanders told radio host Ed Schultz. Listen to Thursday's interview.

[ClarkUSA]

1. That'd make a great campaign ad for him in 2012.

:sarcasm:

[RichGirl]

62. Where is David Swanson on this......

He's trying to draft him for 2012.

[DFab420]

2. Sanders is a sell out who only wants to kill the American Dream!!! AHHH!!!

HE is clearly nothing but a shill for the wall street bankster fat cat big wig cigar smoking evil doer Koch brother rethuglicans.......

JUST LIKE OBAMA

AHHHH


MY HEAD IS ON FIRE AHHHHHH!!!!!

:sarcasm:

[styersc]

27. Can't really compare him to Obama. No matter what he said,

Sanders made the comment with a declarative statement. Nothing wishy-washy about Sanders.

[mikekohr]

69. Touche!

[styersc]

3. The Debt Ceiling should be separate from Debt reduction.

They are two different issues that the Tea party demanded be merged. Sanders is right and if mcConnell is willing to turn on the Tea Party, we should support this option. Fight the Debt Reduction debate later, hoefully with more progressive leadership!!!!!

[ClarkUSA]

4. Did you say the same thing when it was rumored Pres. Obama favored this same plan?

[The Big Vetolski]

10. Well, if I didn't, I certainly did think it. The debt ceiling itself is BS.nt

[Doctor_J]

13. I would have, but as you have stressed, we shouldn't base our opinions on rumor

and as usual the president declined to tell Americans why he liked this plan.

[styersc]

19. yes i did

[Cali_Democrat]

5. Exactly right

[ProSense]

6. Frankly, I'm surprised

Senator Sanders isn't going with the 14th Amendment option.

Given his endorsement of the McConnell plan, it will likely sail through Congress.

[arcane1]

7. Is this the "vote to raise the ceiling 3 times before election day" plan?

Or is there some other plan I'm unaware of? :shrug:

[Armstead]

33. As I understand it, it would be three meaningless votes...

basically giving Republicans to symbolically say "We don't support this" but without the power to block raising it.

[damntexdem]

8. This will put McConnell in deep doo doo with his party.

He will be teabagged until ... he flip flops again.

[bvar22]

9. I also agree with Mitch McConnel.

...Pass a clean bill raising the debt ceiling. Period.

I told ya the Republicans were BLUFFING.
Their Big Money Backers would have NEVER allowed a default.
There was never ANY need for ANY Secret Negotiations,
or ANY Big Deal that would cut spending during a Recession.


In fact, Obama should have Called their Bluff,
and RAISED with an INCREASE to Medicare and Raising the Cap on Social Security.

K&R

[Doctor_J]

15. He might have if he actually wanted to save those programs

alas, he has wanted for a long time to do away with them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1540315&mesg_id=1540315

[treestar]

30. They would have to pass the legislation

the House would have to do that affirmative act.

thus it not a poker game

Obama could demand that they pass a single payer bill. Do you think that means this House would do that?

If McConnell is being sane for once, that is great, but he can't make the House affirmatively pass any bill.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

39. I have to agree. The Corp. interest are not going to allow a default to happen.

At the same time, I wonder if the Teabagger Party might not lead us off the cliff anyway. They talk like they are genuinely insane.

[The Big Vetolski]

11. When people as far apart as Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders...

and Turtlehead Republican Mitch McConnell agree, they just might have a valid point. In this case, they do. The debt ceiling was never any more than theater to convince ignoramuses who believe governments should be run like households that Congress was being fiscally "responsible."

The debt ceiling. Pure bullshit since 1917.

[high density]

12. This is essentially what Obama said to start with

The initial argument was that the debt ceiling simply needs to be raised, just as it has been done before under every other president. The House then decided to link raising the debt ceiling with unrelated issues and here we are.

[ClarkUSA]

17. True, but that was before Reid had to sweeten the deal to entice Republican support.

"McConnell-Reid Debt Plan Includes Catfood Commission II with Teeth":

The key part of the new McConnell package is a joint committee to review entitlements in a massive deficit-reduction package. Unlike the Bowles-Simpson commission, this committee will be mandated to have a legislative outcome — an actual vote — that will occur early next year. No White House members. Evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats. No outsiders. This will be the first time such a study would have an expedited procedure mandated with no amendments permitted. Also, tax reform could be air-dropped into this committee’s report.

<snip>

If I’m reading this right, what this means is that in order to make the McConnell proposal more palatable to conservatives, there would be a mandated bipartisan review of entitlements next year. The source tells me that if a majority of the committee can agree on recommendations for entitlement reform, the proposal would also mandate a Congressional vote on those recommendations.

http://skydancingblog.com/2011/07/15/mcconnell-reid-plan-includes-catfood-commission-ii-with-teeth

Washington Post Editorial Board Opinion: Tweaking Mitch McConnell’s ‘escape hatch’

One twist to the McConnell plan involves creating a new congressional super-committee — yes, another commission — tasked with producing additional debt reduction measures by the end of the year. Unlike, say, the Simpson-Bowles commission, the committee would not have to achieve a supermajority vote, and its proposals would be subject to an up-or-down majority vote in both houses of Congress.

It is essential that this committee have jurisdiction to consider all elements of the budget: discretionary spending, entitlements and tax revenue must all be on the table, as they were for Simpson-Bowles.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/tweaking-mitch-mcconnells-escape-hatch/2011/07/18/gIQA9LOhMI_story.html

[ClarkUSA]

14. "McConnell-Reid Debt Plan Includes Catfood Commission II with Teeth"

"McConnell-Reid Debt Plan Includes Catfood Commission II with Teeth":

The key part of the new McConnell package is a joint committee to review entitlements in a massive deficit-reduction package. Unlike the Bowles-Simpson commission, this committee will be mandated to have a legislative outcome — an actual vote — that will occur early next year. No White House members. Evenly divided between Republicans and Democrats. No outsiders. This will be the first time such a study would have an expedited procedure mandated with no amendments permitted. Also, tax reform could be air-dropped into this committee’s report.

<snip>

If I’m reading this right, what this means is that in order to make the McConnell proposal more palatable to conservatives, there would be a mandated bipartisan review of entitlements next year. The source tells me that if a majority of the committee can agree on recommendations for entitlement reform, the proposal would also mandate a Congressional vote on those recommendations.

http://skydancingblog.com/2011/07/15/mcconnell-reid-plan-includes-catfood-commission-ii-with-teeth

Washington Post Editorial Board Opinion: Tweaking Mitch McConnell’s ‘escape hatch’

One twist to the McConnell plan involves creating a new congressional super-committee — yes, another commission — tasked with producing additional debt reduction measures by the end of the year. Unlike, say, the Simpson-Bowles commission, the committee would not have to achieve a supermajority vote, and its proposals would be subject to an up-or-down majority vote in both houses of Congress.

It is essential that this committee have jurisdiction to consider all elements of the budget: discretionary spending, entitlements and tax revenue must all be on the table, as they were for Simpson-Bowles.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/tweaking-mitch-mcconnells-escape-hatch/2011/07/18/gIQA9LOhMI_story.html

[Doctor_J]

16. What a shame that a real patriot like Bernie has been backed into a

corner like this.

[Telly Savalas]

18. He makes sense.

Any plan has to make it through the House, which is dominated by a bunch of nutjobs. So it pretty much follows that the narrower the scope of the deal, the better.

[and-justice-for-all]

20. Sanders is only agreeing that the debt ceiling needs raised...

Sanders is not at all like the repukes.

[ensemble]

38. Yes...

McConnell's dead plan is a non-starter with R's.
This is not news.

[Jefferson23]

21. Your presumption here is completely incorrect.

Evidently you did not listen to Sanders and only relied on the snip you have above. It is
inaccurate to say the least.

From your own link: ..Bernie Sanders

The radio interview: ....” a), we need to make sure this country does not default in as clean as way as possible, because
that would be a disaster for the country. Secondly, in my view, we need to take Mitch McConnell
up on his words. McConnell said, ya know lets take this issue to the American people. Let's debate
the issue. I agree with McConnell. What McConnell wants to do, what the Gang of Six wants to do
is make massive cuts in SS and lets be very clear what is in the Gang of Six plan. Ed if your 65 of years
of age..." ( and he goes on from there to explain their cuts, and the tax rates for the wealthy THEY want, reduced
to as low as 23% and bashes it....no endorsement...NONE.

He said the debate should go to the American people and they will be with us, meaning not a Republican plan.

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=BC108D81-AB34-47C7-973F-E49F9BA0AC7E

[ProSense]

22. "Sanders embraced a proposal by the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell"

My "presumption"? The text in the OP is from Sanders' site.

[Jefferson23]

23. I just gave you what Sanders said and you're going to continue

to claim he endorsed McConnells budget plan?


The info I gave you is from your own link, the radio inerview...listen to it.

Your OP is incorrect.

[ProSense]

26. "Sanders embraced a proposal by the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell "

Are you saying that information picked up directly from Sanders' site is "incorrect"?

Maybe you should contact him and tell him to correct it.

[Name removed]

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[Jefferson23]

32. Anyone listening to his words would know, it is very clear.

Maybe you should contact him, since you're making a decision
to ignore the radio interview.

[ClarkUSA]

46. Yes, it's very clear St. Bernie endorsed McConnell's plan and then tried to spin shit into gold.

[Jefferson23]

48. I listed the transcript, and the entire interview can be heard at YOUR link. You're finished here.

But I suspect you'll continue to deny you made a mistake.

If anyone googles a search, corroboration for your claim does not exist, with the exception
of the two OP's on the false claim here on DU.

Have fun now, bye!



Bernie Sanders

The radio interview: ....” a), we need to make sure this country does not default in as clean as way as possible, because
that would be a disaster for the country. Secondly, in my view, we need to take Mitch McConnell
up on his words. McConnell said, ya know lets take this issue to the American people. Let's debate
the issue. I agree with McConnell. What McConnell wants to do, what the Gang of Six wants to do
is make massive cuts in SS and lets be very clear what is in the Gang of Six plan. Ed if your 65 of years
of age..." ( and he goes on from there to explain their cuts, and the tax rates for the wealthy THEY want, reduced
to as low as 23% and bashes it....no endorsement...NONE.

He said the debate should go to the American people and they will be with us, meaning not a Republican plan.





‘I Agree with Mitch McConnell' As an Aug. 2 deadline neared, Sanders stressed the importance of raising the debt ceiling so the United States can continue to pay its bills and avoid default for the first time in history. In a phrase he probably never uttered before, Sanders embraced a proposal by the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to raise the debt ceiling now and debate what to do about deficits during the 2012 campaign. "Let's take the case to the American people," Sanders told radio host Ed Schultz. Listen to Thursday's interview.

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=BC108D81-AB34-47C7-973F-E49F9BA0AC7E

[ClarkUSA]

49. No, St. Bernie The Caver is finished as a credible voice. Pres. Obama has wisely outflanked him.

Nice that St. Bernie wants to take McConnell at his word, though. How trusting of him. :sarcasm:

As a liberal Democrat, I'm relieved to see President Obama has emphatically rejected every single Republican gambit.

Thank goodness St. Bernie The Caver isn't POTUS, that's for damned sure, otherwise seniors would soon be eating cat food as per McConnell's proposal.

[Mass]

24. Yes, he agrees with a clean bill.. This is what your post says.

All Democrats should agree with a clean bill at this point.

He may even vote for the Reid bill, but contrarily to so many others, he will not try to pretend it is a good bill.

[ClarkUSA]

34. "I agree with Mitch McConnell" is what he said. Stop putting lipstick on a pig. St. Bernie caved.

Good thing President Obama hasn't been so stupid. Glad someone is showing leadership in this debt fight. If it were up to Sanders, we'd all be looking at Catfood Commission II on steroids.

[Jefferson23]

35. You're wrong and you know it. You keep hoping no one who read your distorted OP

listens to the radio interview. That is the only way they will
believe you over Bernie. You were mistaken, plain and simple...it happens.

Building an entire OP on a snip of information is why you are where you are now.

Why don't you transcribe the entire interview, if you're so sure you are correct?



Bernie Sanders

The radio interview: ....” a), we need to make sure this country does not default in as clean as way as possible, because
that would be a disaster for the country. Secondly, in my view, we need to take Mitch McConnell
up on his words. McConnell said, ya know lets take this issue to the American people. Let's debate
the issue. I agree with McConnell. What McConnell wants to do, what the Gang of Six wants to do
is make massive cuts in SS and lets be very clear what is in the Gang of Six plan. Ed if your 65 of years
of age..." ( and he goes on from there to explain their cuts, and the tax rates for the wealthy THEY want, reduced
to as low as 23% and bashes it....no endorsement...NONE.

He said the debate should go to the American people and they will be with us, meaning not a Republican plan.


http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=BC108D81-AB34-47C7-973F-E49F9BA0AC7E

[ClarkUSA]

40. lol! Wrong. Your own reply cites St. Bernie as saying "I agree with McConnell" just as I quoted.

Why are you trying to mislead people?

[Jefferson23]

42. Agrees to debate the issue to the American people, but you don't

appreciate that reality. Misleading is what you're still trying to
do to Bernie. Why can't you address the transcript? You are mistaken.

From your own link: ..Bernie Sanders

The radio interview: ....” a), we need to make sure this country does not default in as clean as way as possible, because
that would be a disaster for the country. Secondly, in my view, we need to take Mitch McConnell
up on his words. McConnell said, ya know lets take this issue to the American people. Let's debate
the issue. I agree with McConnell. What McConnell wants to do, what the Gang of Six wants to do
is make massive cuts in SS and lets be very clear what is in the Gang of Six plan. Ed if your 65 of years
of age..." ( and he goes on from there to explain their cuts, and the tax rates for the wealthy THEY want, reduced
to as low as 23% and bashes it....no endorsement...NONE.

He said the debate should go to the American people and they will be with us, meaning not a Republican plan.

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=BC108D81-AB34-47C7-973F-E49F9BA0AC7E

[ClarkUSA]

45. St. Bernie endorsed McConnell's proposal. His pretty words are lipstick on that pig of a decision.

[thesquanderer]

36. But look at what he agreed with!

"McConnell said, ya know lets take this issue to the American people. Let's debate
the issue. I agree with McConnell. "

He agrees with McConnell that the debate should be taken to the American people, that the people should be given a chance to see just exactly what the Republicans really want to do. The following sentences make clear that he thinks, if McConnell gets his wish and lets the people pass judgement on what the Republicans want to do, it will be a disaster for the Republicans.

So yes, in a sense, he is agreeing with McConnell, while also essentially telling McConnell to be careful what he wishes for.

[ClarkUSA]

41. "Sanders embraced a proposal by the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell"

Sorry, that dog won't hunt. :eyes:

[thesquanderer]

50. Don't leave out half the quote!

"Sanders embraced a proposal by the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell" yes -- but you left out the second half:

"Sanders embraced a proposal by the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to raise the debt ceiling now and debate what to do about deficits during the 2012 campaign."

Look at what he's agreeing with. Of course he wants the debt ceiling raised... the controversial part, to the extent that it's controversial, is that he thinks it's fine to debate the rest of the related (and some not so related) policies in 2012. Yes, that IS counter to what Obama wants, Obama doesn't want to deal with it again in an election year. But Sanders feels that debating these things in an election year will not benefit the Republicans as they think it will.

So yes, he supports McConnell's proposal to create a short term solution that does not carry us through the 2012 election... but not because he's looking for or expecting the same results as McConnell is!

If you're still at all unclear about this, it might help to listen to the complete thought in context, the MP3 of the interview is right there with the quote.

[ClarkUSA]

51. lol! St. Bernie The Caver endorsed McConnell's plan, then tried to spin his shit decision into gold

St. Bernie is committing the sin of omission by only stating what he wants you to hear and nothing more. That's not all what's in McConnell's proposal. Why do you think President Obama wisely rejected McConnell's plan, besides the fact there would be another default in six months? Here's why:

McConnell's proposal would create Catfood Commission II on steroids, with St. Bernie's blessing: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=725886&mesg_id=726268

[thesquanderer]

52. Spin?

Spin is when something happens, and is later given a different perspective. In this case, it was all said at the same time, there was no "spinning one's way out of something."

Moreover, can you point to any source where Sanders agrees with any aspect of what McConnell has put forth beyond what he said in the exact quote that started this? The quote you yourself used merely says he agreed to "a proposal by the Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to raise the debt ceiling now and debate what to do about deficits during the 2012 campaign." And that much is completely right. Where did he ever say he agrees with McConnell on anything other than raising the debt ceiling now and debating the deficits in 2012? I am no expert on McConnel's plan, I just don't see where you're finding Sanders saying he agreed with anything more than exactly what he said in your quote. Certainly not in the interview which I listened to, from which that quote is derived.

[ClarkUSA]

53. Did you ignore everything I just said? Apparently, you did.

I doubt those defending Sanders would have only believed in what President Obama said in a brief radio interview after he "embraced McConnell's proposal".

Again, why do you think President Obama and other Democrats have rejected McConnell's plan en masse? Hmm? For the answer, Reread my last reply to you. If you want to ignore the obvious, go ahead.

[thesquanderer]

55. From my POV, it is you who is ignoring my posts...

You still have not pointed to anyplace where Sanders agreed with McConnell over anything beyond his proposal to immediately raise the debt ceiling, and debate the other issues in 2012. That's the fundamental question, and everything else is a red herring, changing the conversation and avoiding backing up your actual assertion. Not that the other things you're talking about aren't real issues, I just don't see where Sanders said anything more than, well, exactly what he said in that quote.

[ClarkUSA]

56. Why do you think President Obama and other Democrats haven't said the same things as St. Bernie?

Why is St. Bernie the only one who votes with the Democratic caucus to say, "I agree with Mitch McConnell" and "I endorse McConnell's proposal" on his website?

[thesquanderer]

58. Can you answer a question instead of asking one?

Again, you didn't answer the question.

As far as I can see (and you have not yet shown otherwise), ALL Sanders has clearly endorsed is an immediate lift of the debt ceiling, and a public debate of the rest of the issues in 2012 instead of pushing them to after the election.

As for your question about everyone else rejecting McConnell en masse, Harry Reid is now also endorsing a McConnell approach:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/reid-aims-for-gop-support-by-adopting-mcconnell-debt-limit-plan-fallback-plan.php

Moreover, Obama himself today said, "Senator McConnell, a Republican, offered a solution that could get us through this."

http://www.abc12.com/story/15174083/transcript-obamas-remarks-on-the-status-of-debt-ceiling-negotiations?clienttype=printable

Just saying "I agree with McConnel about something" does not mean "I agree with McConnell about everything."

So not only is your point about "all the other democrats" rejecting the plan not an answer to my question... it's also simply wrong.

[ClarkUSA]

59. You are ignoring my answers, so I decided to try another tack.

Reid is not "endorsing a McConnell approach" at all. That's your overstated gloss wherein you conveniently neglected to add he, unlike St. Bernie, rejected these most objectionable aspects of the McConnell plan:

"It does not include any penalties or triggers to force Congress to enact entitlement and tax reforms in the coming months."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/reid-aims-for-gop-support-by-adopting-mcconnell-debt-limit-plan-fallback-plan.php

That's otherwise known as the Catfood Commission II on steroids, an aspect of McConnell's approach which liberal analysts have attacked but St. Bernie has stayed mum on: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1549733

Pres. Obama's statement couldn't have been more vague as he played the bipartisan POTUS on national TV for the American public. It's called rope-a-dope. He noted Senator Reid's plan but also said any plan would see "plenty of modifications we can make to either of these plans in order to get them passed through both the House and the Senate and would allow me to sign them into law." Again, that's not even in the same ballpark as stating "I agree with Mitch McConnell" and "I endorse McConnell's proposal" as St. Bernie did.

Thus, Pres. Obama or Reid did not come anywhere near saying I've "embraced Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's proposal" and "I agree with Mitch McConnell" as St. Bernie did. Far from it.

Gee, I wonder why? :sarcasm:

[thesquanderer]

60. So you admit he never said it, thank you.

re: " which liberal analysts have attacked but St. Bernie has stayed mum on"

So you can't point to anyplace where Sanders has expressed support for anything more than McConnell's proposal to raise the debt limit immediately and debate the rest in 2012; your assertion that he agrees with some other McConnell idea is based strictly on the fact that he hasn't said *anything* about it ("stayed mum on"). No wonder you kept not answering my question!

From your perspective I suppose the fact that I bought an Apple computer and recommend them to my friends means that I endorse poor working conditions in China. Unless maybe I always remember to tell people "oh, Apple also does some things I don't agree with."

Anyway, a little google on his web site shows that Sanders *has* said that he doesn't agree with the entire plan. At http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/171407-mcconnells-gambit-splits-both-partieshe you can see that, back on July 13, he said there were pros and cons to McConnell's proposal.

It may also be worth noting that, the way English works, a phrase like "McConnell's proposal" can refer either to an entire plan, or to any given element within that plan. Again, you have also never said whether you listened to the interview from which the quote was derived. If you actually hear him talk about it, you can get a more full sense of exactly what McConnell proposal he is is agreeing with, and why.

Sanders also expressed a similar sentiment on July 15 at http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=3dcd9329-f4cf-40ed-8e5e-5188e327fca5 :

Sizing up "the craziness and chaos," in Washington, Sanders said it may be better to raise the debt ceiling and "kick the can down the road" on deficit reduction. He warmed to a plan first offered by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. McConnell's motivation may have been to insulate his party from the political fallout likely to result if the country blamed Republicans for driving the country into default. Sanders' motivation was to protect working families. To him, separating the debt ceiling debate from the deficit reduction negotiations could avoid "savage cuts" sought by Republicans and stop the White House from doing serious damage to Social Security and Medicare.

[ClarkUSA]

65. That's a false statement. I never said that at all. Why are you trying to mislead people?

[thesquanderer]

66. What's a false statement?

What did I attribute to you that you didn't say? I really don't know what you're talking about here. Maybe the comment about Apple? I didn't attribute that to you, but used it as an example to demonstrate the same "logic" as what you did say... i.e. if you endorse some aspect of something, you seem to be saying that means you must endorse every aspect, unless you specifically explain the parts you don't endorse. At least that's what you're saying about Sanders/McConnell, and I put the same idea in another context as an analogy to show more clearly why I don't think it's sensible.

Or maybe you were talking about something else?

At any rate, I doubt anyone reading my post was misled...

[ClarkUSA]

70. Your false statement = "So you admit he never said it..."

[thesquanderer]

72. I don't think that statement is false

You made an assertion that Sanders endorsed certain McConnell proposals that, as far as I could tell, he never said he endorsed.

I asked you to point to where he said he endorsed those things.

In your answer, instead of explaining where he said it, you merely said he had "stayed mum on" on the topic. So it sounds like he indeed never said he agreed with it, but you were assuming he agreed with it because he apparently never explicitly said he didn't. So I think you were admitting he never specifically said he endorsed those things. If I'm wrong, please point me to where he explicitly endorsed the specific things you are talking about (as opposed to endorsing the immediate raise of the debt limit and bringing the rest to a public debate in 2012).

[Vattel]

73. Don't worry.

Anybody with half a brain can see that you are correct. He only agreed to a clean debt-ceiling raise with a debate on deficit reduction in 2012. It's not like it's difficult to read the transcript and understand what he was saying.

[Mass]

54. Read the OP. While the quote is not complete, the commentary

is clear.

[ClarkUSA]

57. Then why do you think President Obama and other Democrats haven't said the same things as Sanders?

And why was Sanders the ONLY one who caucused with Democrats to say, "I agree with Mitch McConnell" and "I endorse McConnell's proposal"?

[Mass]

64. Plenty have said they would support a clean bill.

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[CakeGrrl]

28. This came DIRECTLY off of Sanders' site verbatim. Comparing Bernie to Fox News?

:crazy:

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[ClarkUSA]

43. St. Bernie wants Catfood Commission II on steroids as per McConnell's plan. Obama doesn't.

It's amazing what contortions some people will go to in order to defend the indefensibly stupid cave that St. Bernie performed.

I am glad Pres. Obama has rejected every single Republican plan thus far and threatened to veto Boehner's plan. It's nice to have a President who shows real leadership instead of a panicky pol like St. Bernie who caved to Micth McConnell's proposal.

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[sundancekid]

47. talk about day late, dollar short and surprise!!!! McCan't has reneged.

[era veteran]

61. I'm a Kentuckian and I have never said that.

All I can say is I'm sorry we visited our two Senators on you. We try real hard though every time an election comes.

[DCBob]

63. It sounds like the Reid plan is being revised to look a lot like the McConnel plan..

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/reid-aims-for-gop-support-by-adopting-mcconnell-debt-limit-plan-fallback-plan.php?ref=fpa

This should garner enough R votes to get it pass... imo.

[Mass]

67. It would have been better than the tentative agreement Obama came to.

[Zorra]

68. If it is possible, I would self-delete the OP if I were you. Either you have made an

error in perception, or you are posting blatantly disingenuous propaganda of the kind that is so common on Fox News.

When taken in combination with some of the responses in this thread that defend this fallacious OP, serious credibility and or motivation issues will naturally arise among reasonable people.

I listened to the interview three times.

Senator Sanders endorsed McConnell's proposal to "take the case to the American people".

He did not endorse McConnell's deficit reduction plan.

[woo me with science]

71. Gee, I wonder which it was.

The error in perception, or that other thing... :eyes: