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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:32 PM
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President Obama wanted to eliminate tax loopholes
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 08:35 PM by ProSense
Remarks by the President

THE PRESIDENT: Good evening, everybody. I wanted to give you an update on the current situation around the debt ceiling. I just got a call about a half hour ago from Speaker Boehner who indicated that he was going to be walking away from the negotiations that we’ve been engaged in here at the White House for a big deficit reduction and debt reduction package. And I thought it would be useful for me to just give you some insight into where we were and why I think that we should have moved forward with a big deal.

Essentially what we had offered Speaker Boehner was over a trillion dollars in cuts to discretionary spending, both domestic and defense. We then offered an additional $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs -- Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. We believed that it was possible to shape those in a way that preserved the integrity of the system, made them available for the next generation, and did not affect current beneficiaries in an adverse way.

In addition, what we sought was revenues that were actually less than what the Gang of Six signed off on. So you had a bipartisan group of senators, including Republicans who are in leadership in the Senate, calling for what effectively was about $2 trillion above the Republican baseline that they’ve been working off of. What we said was give us $1.2 trillion in additional revenues, which could be accomplished without hiking taxes -- tax rates, but could simply be accomplished by eliminating loopholes, eliminating some deductions and engaging in a tax reform process that could have lowered rates generally while broadening the base.

So let me reiterate what we were offering. We were offering a deal that called for as much discretionary savings as the Gang of Six. We were calling for taxes that were less than what the Gang of Six had proposed. And we were calling for modifications to entitlement programs, would have saved just as much over the 10-year window. In other words, this was an extraordinarily fair deal. If it was unbalanced, it was unbalanced in the direction of not enough revenue.


But in the interest of being serious about deficit reduction, I was willing to take a lot of heat from my party -- and I spoke to Democratic leaders yesterday, and although they didn’t sign off on a plan, they were willing to engage in serious negotiations, despite a lot of heat from a lot of interest groups around the country, in order to make sure that we actually dealt with this problem.

It is hard to understand why Speaker Boehner would walk away from this kind of deal. And, frankly, if you look at commentary out there, there are a lot of Republicans that are puzzled as to why it couldn’t get done. In fact, there are a lot of Republican voters out there who are puzzled as to why it couldn’t get done. Because the fact of the matter is the vast majority of the American people believe we should have a balanced approach.

Now, if you do not have any revenues, as the most recent Republican plan that’s been put forward both in the House and the Senate proposed, if you have no revenues at all, what that means is more of a burden on seniors, more drastic cuts to education, more drastic cuts to research, a bigger burden on services that are going to middle-class families all across the country. And it essentially asks nothing of corporate jet owners, it asks nothing of oil and gas companies, it asks nothing from folks like me who’ve done extremely well and can afford to do a little bit more.

In other words, if you don’t have revenues, the entire thing ends up being tilted on the backs of the poor and middle-class families. And the majority of Americans don’t agree on that approach.

So here’s what we’re going to do. We have now run out of time. I told Speaker Boehner, I’ve told Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, I’ve told Harry Reid, and I’ve told Mitch McConnell I want them here at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow. We have run out of time. And they are going to have to explain to me how it is that we are going to avoid default. And they can come up with any plans that they want and bring them up here and we will work on them. The only bottom line that I have is that we have to extend this debt ceiling through the next election, into 2013.

And the reason for it is we’ve now seen how difficult it is to get any kind of deal done. The economy is already weakened. And the notion that five or six or eight months from now we’ll be in a better position to try to solve this problem makes no sense.

In addition, if we can’t come up with a serious plan for actual deficit and debt reduction, and all we’re doing is extending the debt ceiling for another six, seven, eight months, then the probabilities of downgrading U.S. credit are increased, and that will be an additional cloud over the economy and make it more difficult for us and more difficult for businesses to create jobs that the American people so desperately need.

So they will come down here at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow. I expect them to have an answer in terms of how they intend to get this thing done over the course of the next week. The American people expect action. I continue to believe that a package that is balanced and actually has serious debt and deficit reduction is the right way to go. And the American people I think are fed up with political posturing and an inability for politicians to take responsible action as opposed to dodge their responsibilities.

With that, I’m going to take some questions.

Boehner is sworn to protect loopholes for oil companies and the rich, which is why he couldn't accept the deal.





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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:33 PM
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1. Looholes?
Is that what they have in British restrooms?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:35 PM
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2. Yikes!
:rofl:

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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:52 AM
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19. You were almost reponsible
for a brand new monitor :rofl:
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 09:19 PM
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3. And slash Social Security.
It's a sickness with him.

Sad.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 09:21 PM
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4. No, you're thinking of the Republicans and the Ryan plan.
Prove where the President EVER said he was going to cut SS/Medicare benefits.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 09:30 PM
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5. The second paragraph of the transcript. n/t
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 09:58 PM
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6. The Second paragraph where it Says...
..."and did not affect current beneficiaries in an adverse way." ?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:07 PM
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7. What do you imagine that means?
And what do you think it means for future beneficiaries?

And keep in mind that this is the result of politicians not wanting to pay back the money they took from the SS Fund.

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:17 PM
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9. Your imagination certainly has run wild. The rest of us know it's much ado about nothing.
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 10:17 PM by ClarkUSA
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:31 PM
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10. Care to answer the question instead of insulting me?
Just askin'.

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:42 PM
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12. I'm afraid I prefer to avoid baseless fearmongering. How did I insult you?
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 10:45 PM by ClarkUSA
I merely stated the obvious. It's not as if you have any facts to back up your claims.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:53 PM
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14. I just quoted the President. And asked a few simple questions.n/t

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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:51 AM
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18. Your question is a good one.
I wish the President was more forthcoming about what his offer entailed for future beneficiaries.
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Hand_With_Eyes Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 12:00 PM
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27. Repeating Obama's own words is 'baseless?'
Wow, it must really suck to endlessly defend the indefensible.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 12:01 AM
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15. None of the proposals from both parties cut anything for 55 and over
for social security. So none of those older people have anything to worry about.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 03:18 AM
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16. OK. And those younger? n/t
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:10 PM
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28. The younger have 2 choices...not 3 or 4
Either stay with the present situation and see Medicare go broke in 10 years which means they will have nothing!

---or---

Accept reforms which will ensure longevity of Medicare.
I commend Obama for being flexible and realist on this issue.

Social security will last longer but still those under 35 have little chance of collecting anything with present system.
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:07 PM
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29. Those of us who are over 65 have already seen cuts to SS.
For 2010 and 2011 there was no cost of living increase. For 2012 it's projected to be 1.2% - average increase of $13 per month, which will actually turn into an average $4 monthly reduction because of increased Medicare costs.

Over 12 million seniors receiving SS saw substantial increases in both Part B Medical and Part D prescription drugs, which for the last two years substantially reduced monthly benefits and for 2012 will be another reduction.

The theory that there was no inflation due to lower crude oil prices and a flat economy is a crock, unless a person has been able to live on not-so fresh air only.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:00 AM
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17. agreed. what a sad lack of comprehension on what his very words said
that he was protecting current beneficiaries of the plan --- that's it. He offered cuts to it, because he said so without saying it, because he knows his advisers said we have to write this the right way!

Still hopeful he's trying to dupe them somehow. But, it sure isn't looking good at all. :(
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Hand_With_Eyes Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 11:58 AM
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26. "and did not affect current beneficiaries in an adverse way."
Isn't that EXACTLY what the Ryan plan says also>?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:21 AM
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23. How exactly? Of what would this slashing consist?
So far, all I've seen is a provision not to reimburse providers (often doing business in that evil corporate form) for the uncollectible debt.

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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:11 PM
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8. Thank you for posting.
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Leontius Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:33 PM
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11. Bush's plan to gut the payroll tax and privatize Social Security
for "Future beneficiaries" was going to strengthen the Social Security system and stabilize it for years too.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:04 AM
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20. Do you REALLY think he wants to privatize SS?
There is a BIG difference between changes, even unpleasant changes (there IS a problem looming in the not tto distant future), and privatization.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:12 PM
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30. Since the deficit is completely unrelated to to Soc. Sec. and he just relegated the entire country
Edited on Sun Jul-24-11 10:12 PM by LaydeeBug
to private health insurance.... YES, I think he wants to privatize social security.

Lord knows he never wanted a public option, even though said he did.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 11:38 PM
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13. One of the first things he signed after inauguration was an executive order on this. It began
A firestorm because the Kochs and other saw that they were going to get into hot water. I remember his actions to eliminate the tax havens and breaks for companies taking work away. This got the US CoC in a dither and the rest is history: the creation of the Tea Party and then when he said he'd let the Bush tax cuts expire, they went the RW frothed at the mouth like rabid dogs.

That tax cut not sunsetting was the reason for all the decisive issues that was the red meat thrown to bigots on promises that they have since backed off on implementing because they were bad for business. They have not done any of the things that their hateful followers have wanted, except to go after Obama and the New Deal. Then they got into office based on the worst form of populist rage this country has seen since the Civil War.

They didn't even really change their talking points on any of it. And they did protect their sponsors. They gave RW seniors signs decrying socialism and leaving their Medicare alone and then they turned on them. And their hate radio and pundits on television keep the hate going so they can continue to intimidate and end reasonable debate on any subject in truth. And of course, it's all been Obama's fault from the get go. Their paid messages go on night and day.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:07 AM
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21. Obama listened to the objections of the Congressional Dem leadership
And modified the deal accordingly. He has to gain assent from both sides. Boehner reads this as "moving the goalposts."

Let Boehner stew. It's his ass in the pressure cooker.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:08 AM
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22. The ratio is about 1 to 1.5
$1.2 trillion in revenues to about $1.7 trillion in cuts ($1 trillion plus in discretionary/defense cuts and $650 billion in Social Security and Medicare savings)

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Leontius Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 11:17 AM
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25. Please explain what one penny in cuts to Social Security
has do do with deficit reduction, oh that's right, NOTHING NOT ONE DAMN THING.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:59 AM
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24. Wanting to is all we can ask of him.
Nt
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