Here's why I think people long for a primary challenge

[Enrique]

I'm speaking for myself, but I bet others feel the same.

I think there should be a LIMIT to how much Obama can concede to the right wing. He can't give it ALL away.

I think people who say we should "support" Obama and give him a chance, give him some breathing room, are right, but only up to a point. We are WAY beyond that point, and we should be making Obama pay a price if he's going to sell us out.

There's something about Obama that led progressives unfortunately to let our guard down, and it looks like we're starting to wake up.

[bowens43]

1. I just want someone who at least attempt to keep his word.

Obama lied to us. He can't be trusted. Nothing that he says carries any weight.

[great white snark]

8. DADT repeal was certified yesterday.

He gave his word that it would be repealed.

He kept his word on this and a multitude of other promises.

I think your argument carries no weight.

[Creideiki]

19. It didn't need to be certified.

The 9th Circuit invalidated the policy. All the Administration had to do was let it go.

But the Administration is after political points--after all the LCRs brought the original lawsuit. Forget anything else and that the majority of the LGBT community looks at LCRs like Jews for Hitler.

Similarly, it's now apparent that the 9th Circuit will rule against Prop 8, which will cause the house of anti-same-sex marriage cards to fall. However, Ted Olson is part of the legal team and he's a *gasp* Republican! Can't allow a Republican to take any credit! So now we get the Administration to FINALLY say that they're backing repeal of DOMA. They could have done it years ago. Obama Himself could have not gone to Rick Warren's House of Babylon and claim that "Gawd is in 'the mix'."

But now, in the face of losing a court challenge to which anyone else may get credit (nevermind that there were cheers throughout the LGBT community when the Administration said that they wouldn't defend the policy in court--that's giving Him credit, btw, for the straight people in the crowd), he's going to back a legislative repeal? Why? So it can take years and years longer than it should?

[onenote]

22. The 9th Circuit decision only invalidated DADT in the 9th Circuit

Circuit cases are "the law of the circuit" -- they don't have national effect unless and until they are affirmed by the US Supreme Court. I think most Supreme Court watchers would agree that was not a bet you would want to make.

Repealing DADT was the best way to kill DADT.

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[lamp_shade]

2. ofercrissake give it a rest. n/t

[William769]

3. We give it a rest then we will lose what little we have left. NT

Recommended.

[onenote]

4. there wont' be any conceding to the RW if Obama isn't reelected

You do understand that, right? You think the RW wouldn't be getting even more (reinstating DADT, enacting bigger tax breaks for corporations, etc etc)?

[Creideiki]

20. I *love* when "friends" and "allies" threaten me

It really motivates me!

Keep up the good work!

[onenote]

21. "threaten"?

Really?

[elocs]

5. Why "some" people long for a primary challenge.

Yes, you speak for yourself and it's hardly a stretch of the imagination to believe there are others who feel the same, but how many?

The most important person you would need to find who agrees with you is the person who would be willing to put their life on hold for 9 months while they tilt at a windmill and put themselves millions of dollars in debt to satisfy the Liberal/Progressive wing of the Democratic Party who are not happy with Obama.

Now how could anyone pass up a deal like that?

[Inuca]

6. I... I... I... don;t know

what to say any more. Comments like these leave me speechless. AT least you acknowledge that you only speak for yourself, I'll give you that. And I am sure there others. Of course there are. Probably quite a few thousands out there. Percebtage-wise it's a tiny minority. Amd IMHO a distructive one. The president of your party NOT doing what you think he should be doing does not equal "selling us out". Ans saying it is NOT constructive, useful criticism. it's just... I'll stop here to keep it polite.

[Enrique]

7. i agree not every disappointment equals "selling us out"

but selling us out does equal selling us out.

[woo me with science]

15. You know, we used to use cutting Social Security and Medicare

as the HYPERBOLIC, even comedic examples of the line in the sand that Democrats would never tolerate for capitulation.

Of course people are in shock that we are actually here, and that it is being defended.

[Uben]

9. That's why I do the thinking.......

....think Prez. McCain. Scary huh? That was the alternative. That's what led progressives to vote for Obama. You can make up all the shit you like, but that was the bottom line. I think Obama has done as good a job as he could given the current politcal climate. I understand there are those that don't, but armchair quarterbacking is easy. If the progressives here want a president to do their bidding, they need to start grooming a candidate right now, but the only thing I have heard about is Sanders "might" primary Obama. You'll also need a substantial amount of progressive congress critters to get elected to get anything through the house or Senate. Where are they? Who is working on that? These questions have to be addressed or you'll be back here in four years in the very same boat......that's a given.

If it took this long to start "waking up", how long till you take some action and get these candidates on the ballots? These are fair questions, and I'm not sure there is an organized progressive effort to answer them. If it sounds like I am ragging on progressives, I am, because all I have seen is words and no actions. If I am wrong, and I could be, I hope someone here will show me the light.

[Swede]

10. They are the left fringe of the party,like you.

Right?

[Enrique]

11. that's just namecalling n/t

[Swede]

12. I don't know how else to say it.

[ProSense]

13. Actually,

"There's something about Obama that led progressives unfortunately to let our guard down, and it looks like we're starting to wake up."

...it doesn't take much to disappoint the self-appointed true progressives (all other progressives are faking it) who claim Obama promised things he didn't. They'll also ridicule anyone, including Bernie Sanders, for having to deal with reality:

Everyone knows we could have gotten single payer, but instead Obama (who never campaigned on single payer) took it off the table and sold out.

Health care reform isn't the "big progressive victory for "America's soul" as Krumgman claims.

Every Democratic Senator should have voted against the sellout Wall Street reform bill, ensuring that there would be no CFPB.

Evidently, these two huge historic achievements are concessions to the right wing and proof that Obama is a huge disappointment.

[Inuca]

14. He si not a disappointment

he sold us out (see above).

And just in case you worry about my mental sanity, no, I do not mean it :-).

[kstewart33]

16. The 'people' you cite are a small minority.

Few agree with you because we all realize that if Obama is primaried, the Repubs win the presidency.

Who would primary him? Some left wing ideologue who couldn't muster enough votes to win the general election? Do you actually think that independents, whose support is necessary to win, would support a solidly left candidate?

Obama was never a leftist. Look at his votes in the Senate. His mistake is actually your mistake in thinking that he was a leftist.

Sold you out?

It's the same old story - if he doesn't give you perfection by your standards, you sell him out.

[treestar]

17. What Democratic President would not have to concede to a Republican house?

a different Democrat would be no different under that scenario.

What people "long for" is for it to be easy to get all they want, which a President even agreeing 100% with yourself cannot do and is not supposed to be able to do. People "long for" an all powerful President. If Bernie were President, he'd have it even worse - not only would Republicans in Congress thwart him, but many Democrats. He'd be a figurehead with no power.

People fantasize when they post as if just putting the right person into the WH solves everything. There is no such person.

[jefferson_dem]

18. All sounds fine and dandy but you wouldn't be making Obama pay a price.

You would end up making America pay the price by increasing the likelihood of Teabagger/GOP success in November. If that's what the "let's primary Obama from the left" want, so be it. But at least be realistic and honest.

Obama will still win the nomination. Only we Democrats would enter the general election campaign more divided.

2016 should be the next time we should recommend another Democrat for POTUS. Deal with it.

[earcandle]

23. I believe that if the people want to assert the so called power they have, they must do it now.

Hold a primary, find others that know how to do the job, and
elect a good democrat now.  

These scare tactics are BS.  If we get a Bachmann or a Perry
instead, we deserve it, but 
we must stand that we are not easily scammed or duped and we
do not suffer liars at all. 

It doesn't matter if we get a repuke for prez anymore... we
already have one in office now... a fake dem. 

[earcandle]

24. Liars who say they love us are far more psychological damaging than truth tellers who don't mind

telling us they hate us.  We can deal with the outright haters
much better than the eloquent fraud of liars. 

[falcon97]

25. To blow off some steam.

It's an emotional release, which is totally healthy. Actually mounting a primary challenge would not be.

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[Armstead]

28. Why do you hate our president?

:sarcasm: