BREAKING: President Obama has reached a climate change deal with China.

[jefferson_dem]

http://twitter.com/tpmmedia/status/6807993696

More:

"Meaningful Agreement" Reached on Climate
U.S., China, India and South Africa Reach an 11th-Hour Accord, Official Says

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/18/politics/main5996598.shtml

[HughMoran]

1. Interesting

I hope this is a good deal.

[timeforpeace]

82. But not meaningful, nor a deal, as it's non-binding. It's nothing.

[uponit7771]

2. But did he cure cancer yet?! Jus sayin............ K&R

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Anyone Want To Make A Bet?

Anything that Obama signs will involve $billions for the bankers.

Any takers want to bet against it?

[readmoreoften]

7. I'm not bettin' against it.

That'd be a losing bet. The last losing bet I made was when I voted for Obama, thanks.

[jefferson_dem]

8. Thanks for your contribution.

Whaa whaa whaa whaa...

[MannyGoldstein]

29. C'mon... take the bet.... easy money for you, no? nt

[uponit7771]

9. wow...jus....wow

[HughMoran]

33. Manny Manny Manny

Makin' a livin' on DU being a smart alec jerk.

[tranche]

50. Are you really adding anything to this board?

If I were a mod I'd have your ass stoned before the first typed word of your next worthless smartass post.

You don't know anything about the agreement. Haven't read a word, raced to the OP and the first thing you could do was to post a comment as miserable as your are.

That is disruption.

[TwilightGardener]

Why be freepy?

[treestar]

61. Now you've jumped the shark

And shown where you really come from.

You can't even see any good in this?????????????????????

[LovinLife]

4. I'll believe it when I see it. He's reached a Health Care deal too that nobody likes. NT

[GoCubsGo]

38. He reached a deal on health care?

Really? When??? I have MSNBC on in the other room, and from all I have been hearing, they're still fighting over it in the Senate.

[Parker CA]

5. Excellent news. Obama to speak momentarily on the agreement per MSNBC.

[jenmito]

6. K&R. Obama will speak any minute. MSNBC will carry it. n/t

[hlthe2b]

10. Uh, Oh... Given the admin's penchance for appeasement...

Did we offer up the Eastern Seaboard to them? :sarcasm: (Of course, they technically already own most of it)


Yes, I support Obama... before the lynch mob descends. I'm just hoping the admin has gotten a deal that offers some benefits towards climate change goals and is not just a symbolic pay-off to avoid Obama coming back from Copenhagen empty-handed.

[DrToast]

19. BREAKING: Deal involves US citizens being required to purchase Chinese emissions.

[timeforpeace]

28. Another mandate?

[BeyondGeography]

11. Whoa...seems that stern speech this morning did the trick

Fingers crossed.

[IndianaGreen]

53. Obama's speech was panned by everyone in Europe and Africa

and this deal is a fig leaf. It is non-binding!

[BeyondGeography]

56. You're not happy? Shocking.

[IndianaGreen]

58. Get off your ass and read The Guardian and The Independent (UK)

and the good stuff being republished by Common Dreams.

What part of "non-binding" do you not understand?

[BeyondGeography]

59. It's a start...but I'm on the Hopemobile, you know

:smoke:

[treestar]

62. I just knew even this would not be good enough for you!

[IndianaGreen]

69. Barack Obama's speech disappoints and fuels frustration at Copenhagen

Don't let the facts get in the way!

Barack Obama's speech disappoints and fuels frustration at Copenhagen

US president offers no further commitment on reducing emissions or on finance to poor countries

Suzanne Goldenberg and Allegra Stratton in Copenhagen
guardian.co.uk, Friday 18 December 2009 12.53 GMT

Barack Obama stepped into the chaotic final hours of the Copenhagen summit today saying he was convinced the world could act "boldly and decisively" on climate change.

But his speech offered no indication America was ready to embrace bold measures, after world leaders had been working desperately against the clock to try to paper over an agreement to prevent two years of wasted effort — and a 10-day meeting — from ending in total collapse.

Obama, who had been skittish about coming to Copenhagen at all unless it could be cast as a foreign policy success, looked visibly frustrated as he appeared before world leaders.

He offered no further commitments on reducing emissions or on finance to poor countries beyond Hillary Clinton's announcement yesterday that America would support a $100bn global fund to help developing nations adapt to climate change.

He did not even press the Senate to move ahead on climate change legislation, which environmental organisations have been urging for months.

The president's speech followed the publication of draft text, obtained by the Guardian this morning, that reveals the enormous progress needed from world leaders in the final hours of the Copenhagen climate change summit to achieve a strong deal. The draft says countries "ought" to limit global warming to 2C, but crucially does not bind them to do so. The text, drafted by a select group of 28 leaders – including UK prime minister, Gordon Brown – in the early hours of this morning, also proposes extending negotiations for another year until the next scheduled UN meeting on climate change in Mexico City in December 2010

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/18/obama-speech-copenhagen

[Better Today]

12. Yep, I bet they both agreed to do as little as possible and let the developing

nations eat their dust. /snark.

[uponit7771]

13. The "Obama hasnt cured cancer yet" crew is un-recing this already......pitiful

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[Egnever]

15. Thats not change I can believe in

Oh wait ...

[depakid]

16. Such an interesting dichotomy- a powerful and effective international leader

perhaps the greatest foreign policy president in history- yet unable to assert enough influence to overcome corruption and ineptitude in order to enact and implement effective domestic policy at home.

[NJmaverick]

22. So you are faulting that he couldn't get Republicans (including Liberman)

to support a Democratic measure? It just might be easier to achieve world peace.

[depakid]

32. Doesn't need them

though it's interesting that time and again, even more obstreperous leaders of nations have been persuaded to come to agreements.

It's as much as anything a contrast in styles. Communication and problem solving processes, methods and tactics that work well with foreign policy are often ineffective with certain sorts of groups (or recalcitrant, self serving pissants) on the domestic front in 21st Century America.

[LovinLife]

17. I hate when Obama pretends to have struck these huge deals. This thing isn't worth the pretend paper

it's written on. I struck a climate deal w/ China as well 2day. Just be prepared to be disappointed, I'm already set.

[timeforpeace]

18. That's true. Maybe it will be different this time.

[FrenchieCat]

20. yes, you are correct in your wording;

YOU Hate. Everything else after that is just an afterthought for you.

[ClarkUSA]

21. I hate it when anonymous bloggers trash Obama 24/7 from Day One of their arrival.

Do you still think "Marc Rubio is the GOP Barack Obama" as you posted in one of your first OPs here?

If so, tell us why.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. At least he's not using "Democrat party" anymore.

[LovinLife]

36. U do realize that was on purpose. What has been democratic about the actions of these people? They

have moved so far right that its laughable. Its just like Maher said. The Dems moved right, and the republicans have moved to the loony bin.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. Do you realize you're not fooling anybody?

[ClarkUSA]

42. Seriously.

And he never answers my question re: his "Marc Rubio is a GOP Barack Obama" OP, no matter how many times I ask him.

[LovinLife]

47. i'm not afraid to answer your question. I was speaking in terms of him being a minority that can

rally his base.



I know how things work around here. I don't have 1000+ post, so I'm an undercover republican. News to me and my family who volunteered for the sellout in the White House.

[ClarkUSA]

48. lol! You really thought "Marc Rubio is the GOP Barack Obama" enough to post an OP about it?

And after months of asking you to clarify your OP title, incl. when I replied on said OP, you finally do because I called you on
it to someone who also has your number. What a lame answer it is, too.

Your agenda is transparent.

[LovinLife]

51. Umm, I doubt he'll win the Senate, so probably not. How long ago was that anyways? I'm transparent?

Please. I give w/ some of u. Besides, being another Barack Obama isn't a good thing right now IMO.

[ClarkUSA]

54. Nice CYA statement now. Why would you think that of Marc Rubio in the first place?

Busted.

[LovinLife]

60. Becuz he's hispanic and would ge a larege portion of support from hispanics, and conservatives seem

to really love the guy. I didn't say it from a standpoint of I agree w/ him or want him to be president. I was saying it from the perspective that people need to watch out for him.


THeir is nothing I can say to get some of u off my back, so carry on. It doesn't change the fact that the guy that all of use voted for is screwing us over.

[ClarkUSA]

66. Uh huh... I guess you think Sarah Palin is the GOP Hillary Clinton, too?

Busted.

[hileeopnyn8d]

68. They say

that in poker, everyone has a "tell" you showed yours very early, and have since been backtracking, or rather, realized your mistake and came at it from a different angle. Your intent is the same, I have no doubt.

The problem is, people were too quick to enlighten you about your 'tell' giving you the chance to alter your approach.

Speaking of which, this below is pretty telling, if for nothing else but the spelling. Who did you vote for?

It doesn't change the fact that the guy that all of use voted for is screwing us over.

[LovinLife]

71. Yes, you've found me out. I'm actually Marco Rubio and I'm running for president. Oh the shame. NT

[IndianaGreen]

55. Obama's speech was panned by everyone in Europe and Africa

and this "deal" is non-binding.

[LovinLife]

64. Of course it's non binding. Does Hu Jintao even have the authority to agree to anything?

I really doubt it. And neither does Obama unless he has some kind of deal struck in the House and Senate already. This whole conference is a joke. They all could've saved money and the carbon footprint by staying in their own countries and not agreeing to anything over the phone. THis climate summit is a joke.

[IndianaGreen]

65. a big clue is Obama leaving the day before the signing of non-binding agreement

and blaming the weather for his early departure.

[ClarkUSA]

67. You must be happy then because you pan everything Pres. Obama does here.

:)

[IndianaGreen]

70. Here is a link to one of The Guardian's articles

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/18/obama-speech-copenhagen

[ClarkUSA]

73. Considering nothing was expected to come out of this, any agreement of this nature is an achievement

Of course, you're just looking for any articles that minimizes any positive outcome.

We know why.

[IndianaGreen]

74. I am posting articles. You are still in campaign mode, shouting empty slogans

I would think you were dedicating all of your efforts at pushing for Liebercare.

[ClarkUSA]

75. Just telling it like it is. Cherrypicked anti-Obama articles does not the truth make.

But we all know how much you've dedicated "all of your efforts at pushing for" Pres. Obama to fail, so I'm not surprised by your
bitter slant at this good news.

[IndianaGreen]

76. Front page news in Europe is not cherry picking

[ClarkUSA]

77. One online article from one British paper is.

:)

[IndianaGreen]

78. Ignoring the apparatchiks , but for the benefits of others, here are links

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/copenhagen

and

http://www.commondreams.org/copenhagen-summit

[ClarkUSA]

79. One link to Common Dreams kvetching & another link to the same British paper's climate homepage?

Cherry-picking anti-Obama articles is all you've got. You'd Better Believe It.

[uponit7771]

63. +1

[Divine Discontent]

23. actions speak loudly - I don't believe anything they say now. it's all theatre.

[LovinLife]

25. Exactly. Obama seemed to be so trustworthy, now I don't believe a word he says. NT

[ClarkUSA]

24. Excellent news which combats the recent MSM mediawhore meme that the conference was a failure.

:thumbsup:

[timeforpeace]

26. This news is minutes old. Let's wait and see the details.

[ClarkUSA]

45. Sure, but what has that got to do with what I said? I'm sure CBS isn't making shit up.

:shrug:

[jenmito]

27. Huffington Post had a screaming headline about Obama failing...

but there was a question mark after it (Faux's tactics) so I guess that makes it ok. It said this: "Obama's Copenhagen Speech: The Collapse Of A Deal?" :eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

44. What freeperish BS. Arianna is such an attention whore. Whatever drives the hit rates, I guess.

But we know better. :hi:

[jenmito]

81. Yup, and this is what they have on their front page now:

Climate Deal Reached In Copenhagen

Obama Says Deal Is A "First
Step"... Slammed As "Sham"
And "Failure" By Climate
Advocates

(And it's a small article on the lower part of the page.) :eyes:

[impik]

80. What a bitch this woman is.

[dpbrown]

31. All the people in the world will be "mandated" to pay clean-up insurance premiums to coal companies

Sounds about right.

[IndianaGreen]

52. This so-called 'deal' is non-binding

[doc03]

34. How many jobs and how many trillion $ will that cost us? n/t

[CreekDog]

35. I'm sure he wishes he was in China too

i'm sure he's feeling a lot of global warming right here.

:hide:

[Adelante]

39. Here's a laugh

If the climate deal doesn't have a public option, I want nothing to do with it.

:D

From a thread on TPM.

[WT Fuheck]

40. ...details had not been announced.

Here's hoping it's a good, effective agreement.

[jonnyblitz]

41. i look forward to the analysis by somebody like, say, Naomi

Klein who I TRUST who was there

[amborin]

43. HOPE it addresses this:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7262807>

[8 track mind]

46. Good job mr. President! Now get your ass on air force one and get back to the USA!

We need some serious help on Capitol hill!

[IndianaGreen]

49. It is non-binding, and it will not slow down climate change!

We need draconian measures to prevent catastrophe!

[ShortnFiery]

57. More Hype than Delivery.

:thumbsdown:

[jgraz]

72. Has he cleared it with Lieberman yet?

:shrug: