The nation is about to default and your interest rates are going up b/c the President is Black...

[wndycty]

. . .there is no other way to say. The Republicans want this Black President to fail and do they will do anything in their power, even if its forcing this country into default to make that happen.

[gateley]

1. You know, that's the bottom line, isn't it. That's what's behind

all of this. Although the Republicans are always singing the same song, they've always played the game. Not anymore. Their hatred and fear is frightening.

[msongs]

5. FDR: "I welcome their hatred" beats giving in to it by a mile nt

[gateley]

6. Perfect. nt

[Pacifist Patriot]

2. Honestly, I think that's part of it, but....

I believe the GOP would do this to any Democratic president in the White House. They've already proven they'll go after any Democrat regardless of race. They are vicious and I think Obama's race is merely fanning flames that are already there.

[gateley]

7. They've taken this to a new level.

[mopinko]

3. damn hard to argue.

[Enrique]

4. the black president can prevent a default with the 14th amendment

the question is, will the black president do that?

[Dr Fate]

19. That is just what the Republicans, liberals and emo-racists WANT him to do.

Setting him up for another failure, eh?

He's not falling for that trap.

[Enrique]

23. you forgot Karl Rove

;-)

[Dr Fate]

25. He never tricks or fools centrist DEMS. They are too smart for him. n/t

nt

[Fire1]

31. I heard it mentioned last night that he could be impeached

for that.

[Dr Fate]

42. Or worse- they might all go on TV and call him an "Angry Black Man" like they always do.

Which would spell certain doom for Democrats.

[AEEHINRRTTUW]

8. To your point:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/26/998902/-Its-the-Racism,-Stupid!?via=siderecent

[woolldog]

9. Obama has enabled their behavior, every step of the way.

which is what's so frustrating to me. It's a given that republicans are going to be assholes.

[MadMaddie]

11. He is enabling their bigotry behavior?

They stated at the beginning of his taking office they wanted him to fail...not more clear than that.

The country wanted someone that was not a knee jerk reactionist like Junior, we got that.

As a black man he walks a fine line of not showing too much anger because he will be labled by the RW media as soon as he really gets angry. I do this on a daily basis in my leadership position.

This is about racism, blatent racism. The Repugs care not for the country but only their own ideology.

[Dr Fate]

18. That is why he had to extend the Bush tax cuts too- b/c of his race.

Or b/c Liberals did not stand up enough for him in the midterms, even though he tried to tell them the majority did not have the votes.

If he had not signed the tax cut extensions into law (AKA shown anger), the RW media would have attacked him.

Luckily, Obama PREDICTED their racism, so he fooled them by never giving them the chance.

[TheKentuckian]

55. If your prime directive is not "looking angry" then you have no business as an elected official

Especially when you are going to have to deal with a bunch of racist nutjobs whose agenda is greed, bigotry, corporate empowerment, voter disenfranchisement, and establishing theocracy.

Yeah, they were well beyond clear what their agenda was and only a motherfucking fool plays nice with such folks beyond giving them a chance to eat their words.

Plus, ranting, raving, screaming, and evil eyes aren't required to be hard nosed or even highly oppositional.
In fact, a strong case against the TeaPubliKlans could be made time and time again without raising the voice.

This bullshit approach is bad for the country.

[phleshdef]

14. Another fierce progressive willing to blame Obama to make an excuse for these Republicans.

You might as well have said "Obama shouldn't have wore that sexy dress", or in this case "wore that skin".

[Dr Fate]

17. We should be blaming Conservative Republicans for all of this. Or Liberals.

Back when we had the majority but we did not have the votes it was the fault of Republcans.

When we still did not have the votes after we lost the majority, it was the Liberals fault.

We should not blame any Democrats who agree with economic conservatives, follow anything Reagan did, or puts Republicans on their economic teams, etc.

We need not be so quick to blame centrists or centrist strategy for anything.

Anytime centrists fail, you can always trace it back to either Republicans being mean to us or Liberals being mean to us.

[phleshdef]

20. The blame should go to the group that has largely and consistently been obstructive and wrong.

Centrist Democrats, a very, very small handful of centrist Republicans (what few are left) and liberal Democrats... these are reasonable people and these people are not the problem. I'm not talking about ideology, I'm talking about the desire to be complete dicks about said ideology. The complete dicks are the ones to blame. That means most of the current Washington Republican establishment.

[Dr Fate]

21. So long as we are not blaming Obama or any of his centrist advisors & strategists.

Then you and I are on the same page.

Centrist Democrats who control the WH the Senate and used to control the House were all being very clear eyed and reasonable.

Then the Republicans and the Emo-Liberals somehow tricked the reasonable people in our centrist leadership into getting us where we are today.

[phleshdef]

22. You're just acting like a fucking child at this point.

[Dr Fate]

24. By agreeing with you and the others who know Obama's centrism is not to blame?

If agreeing with whatever Obama does or does not do makes me a child, then so be it.

Call me what you want- we both know that it is childish and unfair to hold the president, his advisors or strategists responsible for anything that ever happens.

If Obama gets tricked into agreeing with conservatives, then he either did it on purpose for strategy purposes, or it eventually works out.

Just like now.

[phleshdef]

27. Centrists didn't decide to turn a simple debt ceiling vote into a hostage situation.

Neither did liberals. Centrists and liberals are, as usual, the only people involved in this situation that actually want to do something productive and conduct government in a functional manner. Thats mainly because those are the only ones that don't outright hate government and wish to destroy it.

No one said that any particular person is ever blameless. No one is. But in the overall, big picture of shitty policies that have had important consequences that are very difficult to reverse, I definately lay all the significant blame squarely on the right.

[Dr Fate]

29. And centrists had NOTHING to do with the current political landscape.

NOTHING.

Unless it turns out good, then we most certainly were behind it.

We agree- Obama's brand of centrism, his centrist and Bush era Republican economic advisors, etc.- they had nothing to do with where we are as a nation today and NOTHING to do with the current political landscape.

Same with the adult Blue Dogs, DLCers and New DEMS in congress- their centrism and agreements with Republcians on the war, tax cuts etc. had NOTHING TO DO with anything.

Only the right is to blame, not Obama's leftist Republican advisors or his leftist center-right strategists.


We agree that shitty policies are difficult to reverse. (We did not, do not and will not have the votes for REVERSING, only going forward).

The Blue Dogs etc. who were also trying to get squarely AWAY from the right had nothing to do with putting these shitty policies in place. We dont need to reverse anything *they* ever voted for- only things the Republicans voted for.

In sum, the imporatnt thing is that we blame The Right- not the more left-leaning center-rights.

[rurallib]

28. How, pray tell, did liberals foment this situation?

I am really curious.
And please name some names

[Dr Fate]

32. You will not trick me into blaming Obama or centrists.

Liberals are to blame b/c back when we held the majority in both houses, they refused to believe us when we told them "we do not have the votes."

Well, thanks to that far left attitude, we really do do not have the votes now. That excuse is now FOR REAL and they still wont believe us.

That is why we can blame them instead of centrists. They refuse to stand aside and believe us when we are trying to get things done.

[rurallib]

43. call me stupid but that makes no sense.

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[MadMaddie]

48. Yep

They are Progressives for anyone else other than a Black President. Just sayin..

[Dr Fate]

16. Centrist strategy had NOTHING to do with the current state of our party.

NOTHING.

Stop suggesting that centrist and conservative Democrats have something to do with any of this.

BLAME Economic CONSERVATIVES- specifically, the Republican ones.

[uponit7771]

49. Obama is CAUSING them to be racist?! Make excuses for bigotry much?

[MadMaddie]

10. Yep!

Many of us have been saying since he started....

The Republicans are miscalculating because as they scream the default is no big deal, corporations, wall street and ordinary Americans will crash and burn. This is on the Republicans.

[slackmaster]

12. It's not going to happen. This is government by Kabuki theater.

There will be no default.

The Republicans want this Black President to fail...

Go back and review the Constitution. Budget bills have to originate in the House of Representatives.

[MiniMe]

13. I think it is more that he is a democrat than he is black

I think any dem who was President now would be going through the same thing.

[CakeGrrl]

35. They did it for Clinton. -nt

[Dr Fate]

37. And they refuse to impeach Obama b/c he is black.

But they showed all the attention to the white guy.

The double standard seems evident to me.

None of this is Obama's fault- he did nothing to put himself in this situation. If anything, he has been really, really nice to Republicans. So it cant be HIS fault.

Failed Centrist strategy certainly had nothing to do with our current situation (b/c it is NOT failing)-this is all about his being black.

[Dr Fate]

15. You mean the centrism aint workin yet?

I find that hard to believe.

Maybe *we* need to try emo-centrism.

[Autumn]

26. Seems to me, they always want a Democratic President

to fail. I disagree with your premise that it's because he is black. That's just my opinion, I think if Biden or Hillary were President they would be doing the same thing.

[Fire1]

30. Exactly. It's just that simple. n/t

[CakeGrrl]

33. Yep. No other excuse for them to refuse to do something ROUTINE that's

been done for every recent President.

He won't say it outright because all the yammering heads would have a field day with the 'race card' crap, but it's right there.

[Beacool]

34. Are you serious????????

Yeah, because they would have bent over backward to accommodate a white president......

:eyes:

[CakeGrrl]

36. They raised it under Clinton. -nt

[Fire1]

38. That was a fluke. Somebody was sleep.

:sarcasm:

[Beacool]

39. Yeah, but I also recall a government shutdown.

:shrug:

[uponit7771]

50. Clinton wasn't white?!

[paparush]

40. REPUBLICANS 2012 - Keeping millions out of work to put one man out of a job.

[Dr Fate]

41. And if he tries to fight them back, they will just call him an "Angry Black Man"

So he fools them by never giving them the chance in the 1st place.

It's working too.

[Cali_Democrat]

44. I don't know if it's because he's black

Clinton got impeached for a blow job. As Paul Krugman said, Republicans do not view Democratic Presidents as legitimate.

[Beacool]

46. Exactly!!!

It's not his race, it's his party affiliation. If he had been 100% white they still would have opposed him.

:(

[MadMaddie]

47. Yep, but I am not surprised.

I think many may be surprised but this is the America I know.

These Racist and (I include some on the left) are liars, they don't believe in equality and they believe that they are the ones that deserve any success.

The Republicans told us they wanted him to fail.....many were on board with that.....but what they didn't say was they would take the nation down to do it.

[PurityOfEssence]

51. Very little in this world is from one reason

There are definitely racists who have it in for him, but there are many who have other gripes from the left and the right against him. To boil it all down to racism is to infer that anyone who has any problem with him has such problems because of racism. That's insulting, simply incorrect and disturbingly counter-productive.

Certain moderates and conservatives who are tender on the subject of racism and are honorable and on our side on the subject will be turned off if they continue to hear carping of this sort. Those of us considerably to the left of him have had to hear this too, and it's no help, even if it is understandable. Life is messy though, so we all get buffeted about at times, and that's as it should be.

He showed himself to be far too easy to steamroller, and they're trying to run the table now. That doesn't have as much of a racial component as a replaying of the old conservative schtick about Democrats having neither the stomach for a fight nor the strength of their convictions; they're emboldened by his jaw-dropping extremes of accommodation, and they think they have him on the run.

Claiming racism for all resistance is foolish and untrue. It plays into the hands of another old conservative screed: that we hide behind excuses and blame others for our troubles.

This does us no good at all. I also don't buy the premise, and certainly not when expressed as the pure and simple ONLY reason for it.

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[wndycty]

53. Thursday morning kick

:kick:

[Cosmocat]

54. Unkick ... It is because he is a democrat

They friggen shut down the government with Clinton - a friggen white person.

You think they wouldn't be doing this song and dance if it was Hillary or Gore or Kerry?

This kind of stuff delegitimizes the actual racist crape people do and say with him.