Bill Maher dumping on Obama because he "caved" on revenue

[flamingdem]

but why do people just assume he could get that through???

People like Maher can't understand that the repubs are psychotic, it doesn't matter what rational things they present to them.

They have only one goal... destroying Obama.

Lawrence O'Donnell is right, it calls their bluff by using their language in terms of cuts and they
still won't accept it. With those psychos that's the best one can accomplish.

[dennis4868]

1. Actually its the dems in congress...

who have the latest debt plans that are caving, not Obama. But you are right, what does it even mean to say that Obama caved? As if the repubs were going to ever go for tax increases....no way, they are always ready to take this country off a cliff for their own benefit...Maher should know better, right?

[flamingdem]

2. He should know better, entertainers like Maher take a stand and pat themselves

on the back.

As he is saying now "Well I would have bla bla bla"..

[dennis4868]

3. it's so easy to be on the sidelines...

and think you have all the answers...many of us are guilty of that as well...Obama is dealing with a repub party that is as pathetic as they ever have been in terms of being willing to run this country off a cliff...they don't care...this is what Obama has to deal with and it makes him look weak sometimes (since he has to be the adult in the room)...of course most DUers don't see that and they also seem to have all the answers as to how to get the repubs come to the liberal side on EVERYTHING.

[OwnedByFerrets]

4. They HATE him regardless of what he says....at least tell US the truth

[woolldog]

5. He wasn't really dumping on Obama

He's just frustrated with him....as are most Dems....even Dems in Congress.

[Armstead]

8. VERY frustrated

[polichick]

9. True - imo the most important part was what he said about Obama getting blamed...

...when the economy gets worse because he's instituted Republican policies.

[woolldog]

10. I thought that was very insightful

by Maher. Let's try democratic policies! We've tried Republican policies for the past 12 years. And they fialed. If Dems and Obama are going to lose in 2012, let's lose because we tried Democratic policies and they failed, not because we tried Republican policies and failed.

Compromise doesn't mean the other party gets all of what they want and we get nothing.

[polichick]

11. That's what really burns me - we elected a Dem because Republican policies didn't work...

Why in the world would a Dem prez be so willing to adopt failed Republican policies?

[woolldog]

14. I don't get it either.

I keep waiting for him to wise up. He's like a kid who keeps trying to make friends with the neighborhood bully who's beating him up. The more he tries to placate and accomodate them, the less respect they have for them and the more they think they can get away with. You've got to bitchslap them back. That's the only language republicans understand or respect.

[polichick]

15. I completely agree - and even bitchslapped a bully once myself! lol

[woolldog]

17. haha

why am I not surprised to hear you did that?

[MissDeeds]

13. Rightly so n/t

[dionysus]

16. with all due respect, please explain to me how a tax revenue bill can make it through the house.

when you can do that, you can blame obama all you want.

[pezDispenser]

24. easy, get in a time machine and go back to 2009

Oh wait, all 3 branches were too busy at that time with watering down real health care reform.

[dionysus]

31. ok, so you don't have an answer. got it.

because if you don't think THAT have been fillibustered...

[pezDispenser]

32. you believe that ending the bush tax cuts for the wealthy

would have been filibustered when the Dem's had the house and 60 in the senate?

[dionysus]

33. yes. lieberman and\or any ofthe 6 or 7 blue dogs would have. they were going to join

republicans to stop a public option. no way they'd have let a tax increase through.

that's my opinion.

[pezDispenser]

34. i think it would have passed based on early momentum

but I can understand how reasonable people would disagree. I have a feeling we're going to be stuck with those cuts a long, long time.

[dionysus]

40. there's nothing wrong with a reasonable disagreement ;)

[rms013]

30. The illusion of a representative government.

[Po_d Mainiac]

18. Frustrated....Nope....Fucking Pissed....Yup n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

6. Dropping one's goals and adopting their approach might be

something other than caving if it yielded a result that was different from advocating for your own approach. That is, if 'they still won't accept it' what you have accomplished is advocating their position for them without harvesting a bill passed. Why 'call their bluff' if that does not win the pot? What's the point of that particular ploy? What is accomplished, exactly in what you say is the best that one can accomplish? What is gained?

[ClarkUSA]

7. Why isn't Bill Maher dumping on Harry Reid, who wrote the bill?

Fuck him and his Breitbart-loving panel.

[dionysus]

35. he's not the only one who gives the failure of congress to their jobs a pass.

[Zen Democrat]

12. Did Maher listen to the speech? Obama had tax cuts in his speech last night.

[blue neen]

19. Bill Maher "caved" and dated Ann Coulter.

I'm "terribly disappointed" in Bill.

[flamingdem]

20. He did!? I hope it was just for comic material, yeesh nt

[blue neen]

21. It is actually quite funny to think about, but I think the rumor is true.

Google it. You'll find all kinds of info. :)

[JoePhilly]

27. Explains why he has her on so often. Angry sex is the best!

[NorthCarolina]

37. I think that was back when "she" was still a "he".

In fact Maher had Ann on recently and made a passing mention of them having dated, then quipped "you were quite different back then" followed by a snicker. Indeed she was.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

22. Not only that, why is he blaming Obama when this is Reid's plan?

Not Obama's! Reid's!! I don't get that at all.

Oh, well. Maher did makes some good points. The central argument that Obama argues from the right and is fighting with himself is a fair argument to make. I think Maher was right on that. I just take issue with the fact that these so-called commentators know very little about how this government *really* works.

Maybe I've lived in D.C. for far too long. It's starting to take effect. :)

[flamingdem]

23. The proof is in the numbers, Obama has high numbers for support, no easy task !!!!

He knows how to win an election and attract independents so it seems.

[Arkana]

25. I'd rather it be revenues than cuts to SS/Medicare/Medicaid.

[The Wizard]

26. But Emperor Norquist

will smote any Repug that dares talk about taxing the wealthy elites. Methinks Grover is blackmailing them with unflattering sex photos.

[blm]

28. Maher always points out that GOP is psychotic. It's Obama that doesn't seem to understand that fact.

Or the rest of the centrist Dems who seem to jump to the RW tune.

[themaguffin]

29. and why do flat Earthers assume that they can get their BS through?

[dionysus]

36. funny, no one seems to blame congress for not doing it's job. i never knew the president had to do

their jobs on top of his...

[Ikonoklast]

38. Some here are angry Mr. Obama isn't a dictator.

They were fuming when Bush The Lesser was acting the role of Imperial President, but see no hypocrisy when they want the very same thing from a Democrat as president.

And using the "Bully Pulpit" didn't work for Bush, either, once he lost Congress. He got very little in his legislative agenda passed once Republicans lost the House.

[gopbasher12]

39. At this point Obama can get nothing through Congress.

This Republican caucus is in lockstep.