I want some red meat, some tough talk, some fire!

[grasswire]

The community organizer, the lightweight boxer, and the Armani-wearing grandmother aren't doin' it.

I want to see someone holler "NUTS!" at Boehner, just as a famous military man responded in WW2.

NUTS!

I'm mad as hell and I'm taking it any more!

Get mad, Democrats!

No going along to get along, no getting over it.

If not us, who? If not now....you know the answer here.

[FirstLight]

1. a Bullworth moment

is long overdue...


gawd, what if we had actual "REAL PEOPLE" as our congress and exec branch?

wouldn't it be good to hear a real live "bullshit!" said out loud!!! I like that!

[frazzled]

2. That's the basic problem here

Some people simply want "tough talk." You know, fiery speech and some WWF slammin', even if it's meaningless because it accomplishes nothing. But at least the talk was tough.

Others simply want to see something happen: a health care bill rather than an intolerable status quo, even if it falls short of the ideal one; the debt ceiling debacle ended, even some dealmaking has to happen.

I suppose in an ideal world both tough talk and accomplishment could go hand in hand. But in this environment, that's not really possible. So choose your sides and come out swinging and/or strategizing.

[grasswire]

4. no

Some people want to see some resolve and some concrete action.

I disagree with your premise that both are not possible.

It's not possible to come out swinging AND strategize?

Bushwah.

The coming out swinging is part of the strategy.

The pussyfooting only makes Democrats appear weak to a good part of America.

[frazzled]

9. Sadly, yes

Take a look at the House Republicans, for example. They talked tough and said they would refuse any new revenues. Fine, that's tough talk their side wants to hear. But it's left them absolutely no room to negotiate--and it's why we're in the current impasse.

You may not like it that our side has drawn no firm lines in the sand, but that is how negotiating (read: strategizing) occurs.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

3. But because you didn't see it on T.V., you assume that it's not happening!

We need to wake up!!

[grasswire]

5. It's IMPORTANT for Americans to see strong Democrats.

Gee! If they're being all strong behind closed doors, what good is that? Part of the strategy for 2012 includes marketing the brand. What is our brand?

Do we want a Republican president in 2012?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

7. Rephrase: If the Corporate Media refuses to air the speeches/ statements

that Democrats make, but is quick to run to Boehner to get his response after the Presidents' address...well...how do we combat this?

Again, many of us are assuming that NOTHING is happening. And I charge back that just because the Corporate Media doesn't air these things on the T.V. doesn't mean that they didn't happen.

[woo me with science]

12. We have reached the high point of comedy of the absurd now.

Yes, I am sure that his press conferences - in which he fought for and then bemoaned the Republicans' refusal to cut 650 billion dollars in Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security - do not reflect his actual thoughts on the matter.

And the poor dear only had a PRIME TIME address to the nation. I am sure it was an unfortunate accident, or perhaps a technical problem with the microphone, that he used it to beg for even *more* compromise and a BIG deal affecting entitlements...since the Republicans have moved even further right.

And I think Nancy Pelosi certainly just had a little seizure when she came out the other day saying that we must enter an era of austerity.

I am certain that you are right, and that all the Democrats - not to mention Obama himself! - are REALLY all over the place making fiery speeches in defense of the most vulnerable among us...but the media just refuses to cover them.

:wow:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

21. I think I get your sarcasm, but you fail to comprehend my larger point!

Nevermind. I see that disdain for the president has cloud your ability to remain objective, so I won't even bother.

[woo me with science]

22. No, please go ahead.

What speeches and statements by Democrats has the corporate media not been airing during this debacle? What grand defense of the 95 percent have Obama and the Democrats been making all this time, that we have been prevented from seeing? And how do you know this, if we have been prevented from seeing it? And, most bafflingly of all, why does Obama then offer multiple press conferences, on-the-record comments, and a prime time public address to the nation, defending benefit cuts and austerity?

Why were 650 billion dollars worth of cuts in Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid put on the table, and why did the President bemoan the fact that they were not accepted?

Most importantly, why are they still there? And why, even though the Republicans have only moved further right, is the President still begging for a BIG DEAL compromise?

Do not attempt to deflect this by making it personal. Explain to me your "larger point." Because as it stands now, what you wrote elicits a sarcastic response not because I am a mean, disdainful person, but because it is flatly inconsistent with reality.

[Wait Wut]

17. But, your opinion is that the only strong Democrat...

...is a loudmouthed, angry one.

I disagree. I see a strong Democrat (or person, in general) as someone who can remain cool under pressure and doesn't need to resort to playground bullying to get his/her point across.

I like reasonable, intelligent people. I know a lot of screamers that say absolutely nothing, but sure as hell can say it loud. It doesn't mean anyone is actually listening to them.

[Tarheel_Dem]

19. Thank You.

:applause:

[FrenchieCat]

6. I believe this is what Republicans have to offer......Fight Club and shit.....

Because of course, these days, when you are the minority in the house of Representative,
and the only thing they want you to do is fail, I'm not sure if getting "Mad" is actually
gonna do anything other than provide Republicans additional satisfaction, and give the media
some bullshit to work with (see Prof. Graves in Cambridge/beer fest).

Also, a mathematical computation for a reality based perspective is in order when wishing for some drama....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=722612&mesg_id=722612

[boppers]

8. An entire nation is at stake.

It's not some kayfabe title.

I rather appreciate the adults in the room.

[Township75]

10. Someone like Bachman or Palin who talks the tough talk!!!

Or Ann Coulter!

WE NEED THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Enrique]

11. i want a jobs bill

I want the Democrats to start saying that cutting the deficit now by trillions will hurt the economy and cause unnecessary suffering for the poorest people in our society. We need to do exactly the opposite.

[woo me with science]

13. Wouldn't that be something?

But they would actually have to listen to economists rather than their wealthy backers for that.

[Fire1]

14. Really bad idea. Even progressives in the house realize

there must be balance in cuts and spending.

[Enrique]

15. that's false

there are progressives who think we should be doing NO cuts now.

Not everyone belongs to the centrist cult.

[Fire1]

16. Not so. Obviously you missed the interview with a member of

the progressive caucus after the President's speech.

[WingDinger]

18. Why should they yell, if you wont? We sit here saying THEY SHOULD

WE SHOULD. And the Teafreaks have proven it aint hard. Obama should part the red sea. But that aint democracy.

Wrote a song about it, and it goes like this.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/WingDinger/40

[Tarheel_Dem]

20. Then we should definitely elect Sanders or Kooch. You know why we won't?

We're not teabaggers, and that's exactly the strategy you're advocating for. Folks like Bernie and Dennis are good for redmeat soundbites, but not much else. They empassion the "activist" base, but it's the adults who actually get things done.

I never thought I'd see the day when rabid bloggers and frothing radio show hosts were leading the debate in this country. Is there any wonder we can't get anything done? The Congress has been nearly purged of moderates, and it's taking a toll on the economy as well as our system of governance.

Governing is not reality teevee, and naked politicking is destroying this country. Grow up. :eyes: