mikekohr
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Sat Jul-30-11 12:00 PM
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Can President Obama Halt Pay To Congress in the event of debt ceiling not being lifted? |
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I can not find an answer to this question. Antbody out there able to help me?
Thanks,
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Sat Jul-30-11 12:02 PM
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1. halt pay, cancel pension, shut off all services |
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(water, power, computers, security, air conditioning, mail, cafeteria, gym....)
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Sat Jul-30-11 12:05 PM
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2. I Agree Completely, but does he have the authority to cut their pay off |
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in the event of a lack of extension of the credit limit? If he does he should statrt with the House.
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Sat Jul-30-11 12:14 PM
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4. I don't know the answer, but suspect there's a separation of powers issue n/t |
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Sat Jul-30-11 12:10 PM
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3. Not sure if special rules apply for congress pay etc, |
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Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 12:15 PM by elleng
but I think Fed employees' pay likely to take a hit w/o debt-ceiling increase. Answers here? Can't open. http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/28/news/economy/debt_ceiling_prioritizing_payments/index.htm
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Sat Jul-30-11 12:17 PM
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Sat Jul-30-11 12:23 PM
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6. Isn't congressional pay a debt to the government? If it can't |
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pay it's debts, it can't pay congress and staff.
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Sat Jul-30-11 12:47 PM
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7. In 1996 Federal pay was halted. But the delay didn't last long and |
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Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 12:48 PM by RC
federal employees got their full pay even for the day not worked.
Strange how this only happens with a Democratic president and never a Republican president.
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Sat Jul-30-11 01:05 PM
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9. Strange how this only happens |
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with a Republican majority in the House.
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Sat Jul-30-11 12:57 PM
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8. Sounds like a violation of the separation of powers. |
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Sat Jul-30-11 01:11 PM
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10. Congressional Pay Raises |
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I don't know. Trying to find the answers for myself. This is what I'm trying to find out. I am trying to find information as to the pay raises Congress voted for themselves during the GW Bush administration. If any of you have a listing of the House and Senate bills during the period, I would greatly appreciate a listing of them. I am particularly interested in how each Representative and Senator voted on their respective bills during the period. I, as a taxpayer, am not inclined to reward an abject failure of leadership with pay raises. Taking this country from a 200 plus billion dollar surplus to a multi-trillion dollar deficit in eight years is precisely such a failure. Frankly, I believe the policies of indebting and subsequently impoverishing the nation was planned for and done on purpose in order to starve social security, medicare and medicaid. Others may not believe in the purpose of those programs, but I believe they are and have been useful, necessary, and in keeping with the Preamble of the Constitution as it relates to "promote the General Welfare" of the nation. I am a veteran to took the same oath as the President, members of Congress, and the Supreme Court. To "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic". I believe that the first three words of the Constition do not read "We the Corporate Industrial Complexes", and that those who do are the domestic enemies of our Constitution. Unlike those who sit in the temples of our government, I will keep my vow. Corporations are not people. Never have been, never will be.
Can anyone out there help me obtain the information I seek?
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Sat Jul-30-11 01:15 PM
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I would think so. We can't borrow to pay all of the bills, so we'll default on some of the bills. Which ones would be the Executive Branch's choice.
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Sat Jul-30-11 01:25 PM
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12. Can we pressure Congress to pay back their unearned pay raises? |
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I know that Congress gave themselves pay raises for 7 out of the 8 years of the GW Bush administration, while "We the People" were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs monthly. I'm calling on everyone to call their favorite congressional target and demand that they pay back every cent of their pay raises AND return their salaries for ALL of Federal Government back to the year 2000. If government is spending too much then government should participate in the pain they are responsible for inflicting.
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Sat Jul-30-11 02:51 PM
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16. Pay raises don't take effect until following term |
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I don't remember when they passed that law but they did so that if you don't like the raise they gave themselves you can vote someone else in...but of course they would never reverse it!!!
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Sat Jul-30-11 03:21 PM
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You are probably right, however if we could just get the idea to go viral, we may be able to give them another target instead of our social programs. We will never know until we try!
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Sat Jul-30-11 01:39 PM
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13. Where does the money come from to pay everything? |
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And who controls it?
Last I knew it was the Treasury Department under control of the Executive Branch.
So maybe it can be done.
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Sat Jul-30-11 01:42 PM
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This worked as a legal justification for Obama waging a WAR without Congressional Approval. It should also work for the question you asked above. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8
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Sat Jul-30-11 02:06 PM
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15. Obama should just say |
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find me the money and then I'll pay you.
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