next presidential primary, lets choose someone who isnt constantly praising Ronald Reagan

[Enrique]

just a thought.

[boston bean]

1. good thought, and then not believe the people who said he didn't mean what he said. nt

[elocs]

2. If you're going to fantasize about something that will never happen

why not go for world peace or ending world hunger? :shrug:

We all know that Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party.

Just think on that.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Thakfully that can only happen once more at most!

And next time, a nominee who is not pushing hate preachers like McClurkin and Warren. Never again. Obama. The last Democratic President to claim some minority groups lack a 'spiritual element'. The sooner that bigoted bullshit leaves the culture the better.
Some of us tried to warn all of you.

[quaker bill]

3. no one "constantly" praised anyone.

just an observation.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. Tell you what, for those of us who are not religious bigots

to mention Reagan at all echos constantly. That man presided over death with a grin on his face. Years that bastard did nothing while the AIDS crisis festered. By that time, having grown up in CA, I'd already heard Reagan call for a bloodbath at student protests, heard him call for cutting the Redwoods "If you've seen one redwood tree, you've seen them all".
Anyone who sees good in that set of horrors is seeing something that was not there.

[quaker bill]

10. Let me use the actual words

George W Bush was a "transformative President"

He "transformed" New Orleans into a smaller city.

He "transformed" parts of Iraq into smoking piles of rubble.

He "transformed" 1/4 of the country into teabagging wackaloons.

Do you consider any of this praise on my part? If so, then get help.



I was protesting Reagan when he was in office, were you there? (I noticed the crowds were pretty small)

I was doing something about AIDS in the 1980s, were you there?

I am an environmental scientist....

Our Friends meeting welcomes the LGBT community, marries same gender couples, and works in the real world for peace and social justice.

[ProSense]

5. Here's an idea

let's choose someone who is going to come in and destroy the Republicans Party in three months, solve all the country's crises and bring about world peace!

It's my fantasy!

[Enrique]

9. republicans were hurting when Obama came in

not destroyed, but naturally after their disastrous stewardship of the government under Bush and Tom Delay, and the others, the public had had enough. The pendulum had swung back in our direction. Then Obama came in and saved them.

[ProSense]

11. Yeah

"republicans were hurting when Obama came in"

...and attacking him since day one worked out well.

Who did he vote for in 2010?

Republican are in civil war now. They're publicly and viciously trying to destroy the country. So what better time than now to blame Obama for this and take the heat off Republican.

Teh stupid burns!

[brentspeak]

12. As opposed to a Democrat who has just about single-handedly destroyed the Democratic party?

That's the reality.

[ProSense]

13. .

:rofl:



As of May still not destroyed!

[brentspeak]

14. Jonathan Kozol, yesterday: "Obama has betrayed us."

Teachers being just one traditional party constituency that Obama has managed to lose for the Democrats.

However, if there's a large constituency of corporate/DC beltway yes-men out there, perhaps Obama has picked up a few votes there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/teachers-march-on-washington/2011/07/30/gIQAz48zjI_story.html

Teachers march on Washington

Published: July 30

With the election of Barack Obama in 2008, many thought their long-standing complaints, about how the policy has imposed unfair penalties on the poorest schools and how it has narrowed curriculum to make time for test preparation, would finally be heard.

But three years later, the law is still intact, more schools are being labeled as failing, and standardized tests are starting to be used to make teacher tenure and termination decisions.

“We had reason to believe from his campaign promises that Obama was going to reverse the damage that this law has caused,” said Jonathan Kozol, a public education activist and author. “He has betrayed us. . . . That’s why we are here today.”

And so about 5,000 people, according to the organizers’ estimates, stood on the Ellipse between the White House and the Washington Monument and waved posters that read “Boycott NCLB” and “Teach Me, Don’t Just Test Me.”

[treestar]

26. Who is this savior?

we've been looking for him/her for ages? Is it Dennis K? Bernie? Julian Assange? Elizabeth Warren? yep, I think it's her.

Not like we should do anything or support anyone or anything. We should just elect the right savior and then sit back and watch the magic!

If we finally find this savior, I hope we can do away with all this elections and politics crap and just let him/her stay in office indefinitely. :sarcasm:

[patthemick]

7. Someone who doesn't quote Ronald Reagan.

I've been hearing that Democratic activists have been urging members to register as Republicans and vote for Ron Paul due to his anti-war stance. I think they just want an easier opponent for President Obama myself.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. No Democrat would vote for the racist Ron Paul

Not even the 'moderate conservatives'. No, not even they would cast such a vile vote.

[bigwillq]

18. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Donnachaidh]

116. mmmm, I smell pizza....

:rofl:

[great white snark]

15. No.

I won't care who he or she plays golf with either.

[Zorra]

16. Honestly, back before the primaries when I read that Obama admired

Reagan, it raised red flags for me, and was a large part of the reason I did not consider voting for him in the primary.

I am very sorry to find that my alarm has been justified.

[paparush]

17. 9% unemployment (we know the real #'s are higher) - I wish the man I voted for had been quoting FDR.

The real crisis is unemployment. Perhaps this is caused by America finally running into the reality of NAFTA, offshoring, and the global economy. Perhaps this is the new normal.

Regardless, our situation mirrors the Depression era. FDR led the way, literally drew up the blueprint for how a massive nation can recover.

I wish the man I campaigned for, donated my scarce $$ to, and voted for would invoke the name and policies of FDR rather than Ronald Reagan.

[boxman15]

20. One problem with that is

that FDR was elected with HUGE majorities in both Houses and these Democrats were elected on the idea of the New Deal. He never had any huge problems with Congress (for the most part). Obama has been dealt one Congress filled with Blue Dogs and obstructionist Republicans and one Congress filled with far-right, fringe Tea Partiers.

FDR would not have been able to work with Congresses like this. No one would be able to. They are hellbent on destroying Obama and nothing else.

[treestar]

28. +10000

FDR had the luxury of trying to pack the Court when all the right could do was claim the programs were unconstitutional.

[boxman15]

19. He's never praised his policy choices.

He's always praised how he was able to shift public debate toward his side, and was willing to compromise with Democrats when he had to. He has tried to model his presidency after that, not in terms of Reagan's conservative policies. He wants to shift public debate back toward the left, and is willing to compromise with Republicans if he has to.

He has the mindset of, like it or not, that if you have an all or nothing approach, you'll always get nothing. You have to give up certain things in order to move forward and make progress. Those things can be revisited later, and will likely be easier to pass since there is a foundation there for progress.

[Kdillard]

21. Stop trying to make sense in what is only bash Obama mode. They

do not care and as you can see by the recs this tripe is getting nobody else cares about facts only distortion.

[JoePhilly]

22. +100

[CakeGrrl]

23. Stop making sense. It doesn't matter to some.

The memes are set, however grounded in misinterpretation and misunderstanding they are, and some of these posters refuse to hear facts and logic.

Of course, hearing and seeing only what they want won't serve them well with the next candidates either, but they'll find that out the hard way.

[zalinda]

24. Absolutely no one on the left is asking for all or nothing.

THAT is a tired meme. Let's be clear, Obama has taken baby steps to the left on SOCIAL problems ONLY. Every ECONOMIC problem he has turned to the right.

Obama starts every negotiation from the middle, not the left. He took drug price negotiation right out of the picture, by negotiation with big pharma, BEFORE the health bill even got started. He has increased spending of the wars, and started more wars. He was the one who brought SS and Medicare to the table on the budget talks, not the repubs. Hell, we could go on and on about how this President has turned to the right, on just about every subject.

You know it's bad when the MSM notices what Obama has done. It's not the dems dirty little secret any more.

zalinda

[treestar]

27. So he just should have done nothing

Stood firm for absolutist principles. Kind of like the tea party.

FDR should have done the same. Then we would not have SS or Medicare either. But he'd have stood by those principles. Singe payer or bust.

[zalinda]

31. That's what you got from my post?

Nice spin. But let's go with it. If he would have done nothing, and let the tax breaks expire, we wouldn't be in the debt mess we are in now.

And comparing Obama to FDR, is a real knee slapper. FDR's steps went to the LEFT. Obama's steps went to the RIGHT.

Oh, and single payer or bust? HE TOOK IT OFF THE TABLE, and, we found out later, there were enough votes for it. We would have been happy if he had even tried to get single payer.

zalinda

[treestar]

36. We found out later there were enough votes for it?

That needs proof.

FDR lived in a completely different time. Using him to bash Obama is unfair.

If he had just let the tax breaks expire, there would have been some other consequence.

[zalinda]

89. Many sources, but I'll link two

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/60683-harkin-says-he-has-the-votes-to-pass-public-option-bill

http://www.examiner.com/independent-in-madison/russ-feingold-obama-got-the-health-care-bill-he-wanted

zalinda

[woolldog]

30. Well he's kind of failed

in shifting the terms of debate to his party's side (as evidenced by the fact were focusing on debt and deficit right now) hasn't he?

[boxman15]

105. I somewhat agree.

In the public, the debates still originate from the center-right. But, we'd still be in this mess now because the Tea Party and the GOP as a whole are committed to destroying Obama's presidency, and they don't care what the people might think. Their number one goal is to get Obama out of office.

[treestar]

25. constantly praising is hyperbole

And you don't have to agree with Reagan's politics to agree that he was effective.

[ClarkUSA]

29. "constantly"? Give us every single quote in context. List all of their dates, too.

[TheKentuckian]

34. Ever is bad enough. Reagan should be forcefully repudiated and completely and utterly disavowed.

[ClarkUSA]

38. Then Hillary is crossed off the list: "Bill and Hillary PRAISE Ronald Reagan...."

"Former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, issued a statement that praised the former president for his optimistic outlook.

"Hillary and I will always remember President Ronald Reagan for the way he personified the indomitable optimism of the American people, and for keeping America at the forefront of the fight for freedom for people everywhere... We will always remember his tremendous capacity to inspire and comfort us in times of tragedy, ...and we can rest assured that, as joyous a place as Heaven is, his wit and sunny disposition are making it an even brighter place to be." President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Clinton."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4092735

[girl_interrupted]

47. That statement was made on the day Reagan died

Not during a campaign against another Democrat, which Obama did.

[ClarkUSA]

50. So what? She meant every word, I'm sure. Unless you believe she and Bubba are liars?

I can see why you might think so, given Hillary lied about what President Obama said about Reagan during the SC debate. He corrected her, though:

OBAMA: I was fighting these fights. I was fighting these fights. So -- but I want to be clear.

So I want to be clear. What I said had nothing to do with their policies. I spent a lifetime fighting a lifetime against Ronald Reagan's policies. But what I did say is that we have to be thinking in the same transformative way about our Democratic agenda.

We've got to appeal to Independents and Republicans in order to build a working majority to move an agenda forward. That is what I said.

APPLAUSE

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1053774/sc_debate_barack_obama_hillary_clinton_praises_reagan/

[girl_interrupted]

90. He spens a lifetime fighting it, then praises the Reagan "transformation"

yeah..some smackdown! HAHA! Like being for raising taxes than extending bush's tax cuts? Liar, Liar, pants on fire!

[TheKentuckian]

117. Yes, Hillary is crossed off the list. Why the fuck are you always throwing up the Turd Way

like that is some admonishment or something?

If liberals supported Clinton, she'd be President right fucking now.

[Enrique]

35. you give me one link to a speech where Obama does NOT slobber all over Reagan n/t

[ClarkUSA]

37. lol! You made the OP claim. Prove it.

[Blasphemer]

32. I can honestly say that I will be far more cynical when it comes to choosing candidates to support

I was extremely cynical in my youth and somehow in 2008 I forgot that there are very good reasons to be that way. I've been reminded.

[Fearless]

33. In Congress and in the Presidency.

[ClarkUSA]

39. You can nix Hillary. While she was a Republican, "Hillary Clinton Campaigned with Ronald Reagan!"

Hillary Clinton Campaigned with Ronald Reagan!
Filed under: Politics,Ronald Reagan — Victor @ 10:55 pm

Really!

In 1964, when Ronald Reagan made this speech to the RNC (in support of Barry Goldwater’s candidacy), Hillary Clinton was also campaigning for the Republican candidate for President. Wow.

http://usread.com/blog1/?p=230

[dsc]

43. yeah when she wasn't even 21

I bet, I just bet, that you did something back in your teens you would have done differently. Of course by the time she graduated college she became a Democrat. Meanwhile the book where Obama admires Reagan so much was written when Obama was in his 40's.

[ClarkUSA]

44. She praised Ronald Reagan when she was well over 21, too. It's a pattern which disqualifies her.

"Former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, issued a statement that praised the former president for his optimistic outlook.

"Hillary and I will always remember President Ronald Reagan for the way he personified the indomitable optimism of the American people, and for keeping America at the forefront of the fight for freedom for people everywhere... We will always remember his tremendous capacity to inspire and comfort us in times of tragedy, ...and we can rest assured that, as joyous a place as Heaven is, his wit and sunny disposition are making it an even brighter place to be."~ President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Clinton."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4092735

[girl_interrupted]

48. Obama is almost 50 years old and still praising Reagan

and this is how he feels about Reagan:

Obama's Admiration of Ronald Reagan
http://www.openleft.com/diary/3263/



In Debt Speech, Obama Quotes Reagan, Forgets to Quote Himself
http://reason.com/blog/2011/07/25/in-debt-speech-obama-quotes-re

[ClarkUSA]

51. Yes, it's a means to an end. He praised Reagan's raising of taxes during this debt ceiling debate.

DLC Hillary, on the other hand, was a crazed Young Republican who campaigned with Reagan to elect Barry Goldwater:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=727588&mesg_id=728178

President Obama also praised Reagan's communication skills but never his policies:
http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html

[girl_interrupted]

52. Hillary served on the 1974 impeachment committee of Nixon

She served in 1974 as counsel on the staff of the House Judiciary Committee which was considering impeachment of then-President Richard Nixon. Some "republican" she is! WOW! And in case you haven't noticed, it was something rewpublicans never forgot or forgave about her.

"ABC yanks, replaces story in which GOP Rep. suggests Clinton impeachment bid linked to Nixon's fall"

"ABC News in Chicago has yanked and replaced a story in which retiring Rep. Henry Hyde (R-IL) indicated that the attempt to impeach President Clinton came in retaliation for the move to impeach President Nixon because they felt the story was too opinionated, RAW STORY has learned"

"The original said Hyde "made some surprising comments Thursday on the impeachment hearings of President Bill Clinton..."

"Asked if 'the Clinton proceedings were payback for Nixon's impeachment," Hyde said, 'I can't say it wasn't."

The piece is now back on the website, but the focus and title has changed; it is titled "Rep. Hyde reflects on 30 years of office."

The video, however, has not been replaced."

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/clinton_impeachment_hyde_abc_yanks_422.htm

[ClarkUSA]

53. Moving the goalpost? WTF has that got to do with her GOP roots & her admiration for Reagan?

Hillary Clinton Campaigned with Ronald Reagan!
Filed under: Politics,Ronald Reagan — Victor @ 10:55 pm

Really!

In 1964, when Ronald Reagan made this speech to the RNC (in support of Barry Goldwater’s candidacy), Hillary Clinton was also campaigning for the Republican candidate for President. Wow.

http://usread.com/blog1/?p=230

"Former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, issued a statement that praised the former president for his optimistic outlook.

"Hillary and I will always remember President Ronald Reagan for the way he personified the indomitable optimism of the American people, and for keeping America at the forefront of the fight for freedom for people everywhere... We will always remember his tremendous capacity to inspire and comfort us in times of tragedy, ...and we can rest assured that, as joyous a place as Heaven is, his wit and sunny disposition are making it an even brighter place to be."~ President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Clinton."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4092735

Dems Slam Obama's Praise for Reagan
But It Turns Out Hillary Also Admires His 'Communication Skills'

Obama's camp insisted the candidate hadn't praised Reagan's policies or ideas, and also pointed out that Clinton's website lists Reagan as one of her favorite presidents. A smaller blaze of denials and clarifications ensued—apparently, Hillary just admires the Gipper's "communications skills."

http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html

[Name removed]

65. Deleted message

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[ClarkUSA]

70. I linked to facts. You resort to personal attacks because you can't refute these facts.

Dems Slam Obama's Praise for Reagan But It Turns Out Hillary Also Admires His 'Communication Skills'

Obama's camp insisted the candidate hadn't praised Reagan's policies or ideas, and also pointed out that Clinton's website lists Reagan as one of her favorite presidents. A smaller blaze of denials and clarifications ensued—apparently, Hillary just admires the Gipper's "communications skills."

http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html

[girl_interrupted]

74. So did I, but apparently you don't like facts

Thats your problem, not mine. Obama admires Reagan not for communication skills but for his "transformation" of government. Reagan made the conservative party what it is today. His "transformation" sucks.

[ClarkUSA]

77. You offered no facts, just rhetoric. Nothing can dispute the facts I have offered.

I repeat: Hillary lied about what President Obama said about Reagan during the SC debate. He corrected her, though:

OBAMA: I was fighting these fights. I was fighting these fights. So -- but I want to be clear.

So I want to be clear. What I said had nothing to do with their policies. I spent a lifetime fighting a lifetime against Ronald Reagan's policies. But what I did say is that we have to be thinking in the same transformative way about our Democratic agenda.

We've got to appeal to Independents and Republicans in order to build a working majority to move an agenda forward. That is what I said.

APPLAUSE

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1053774/sc_debate_barack_obama_hillary_clinton_praises_reagan/

[girl_interrupted]

85. He spent a lifetime, then praised Reagan's transformation! LOL!

Seems he speaks with a forked tongue. Sort of like how he was for taxing the rich, then turning around and extending bush's tax cuts? HAHA! You're funny!

[ClarkUSA]

92. Huh? I gave you a quote of what he said after Hillary lied about what he said.

It's not as if he was a Young Republican who campaigned with Ronald Reagan like Hillary the Golwater Girl, after all.

Nor was it ever reported he had listed Reagan as one of his favorite presidents on his website, as Newser.com reported about presidential candidate Hillary.

[dsc]

54. that is such a chicken shit thing to do

yes she praised him on his death what a terrible bitch she is to have done so.

[ClarkUSA]

56. Yes, that's a good description of this fact-free OP. Nice of you to notice.

One good turn deserves another, after all.

:sarcasm:

[Arkansas Granny]

69. That statement was made when Reagan died. What did you expect them to say?

I know there was a lot of grave dancing on this site when Reagan died, but surely you didn't expect another former President and his wife to join in.

[ClarkUSA]

72. Are you saying they lied? Because there's no sign they didn't mean every word.

Dems Slam Obama's Praise for Reagan But It Turns Out Hillary Also Admires His 'Communication Skills'

Obama's camp insisted the candidate hadn't praised Reagan's policies or ideas, and also pointed out that Clinton's website lists Reagan as one of her favorite presidents. A smaller blaze of denials and clarifications ensued—apparently, Hillary just admires the Gipper's "communications skills."

http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html

[Arkansas Granny]

82. I'm saying they used tact and diplomacy and didn't piss on a dead man's grave.

Edit for spelling error.

[girl_interrupted]

86. Exactly

[ClarkUSA]

91. lol! Any excuse will do. Former Young Republican Hillary can do no wrong, eh?

[Arkansas Granny]

107. And your Hillary hatred never disappoints.

[ClarkUSA]

111. lol! Inconvenient Facts About Hillary's Republican Roots & Recent Pro-Reagan Gushing = "hatred"??

:nopity:

Like I said, any excuse will do.

[Vanje]

119. It is truly amazing

Why does he always talk about what Hillary Clinton does? Its Obsessive!

Hillary Clinton isn't the president.

[DURHAM D]

94. You are so funny Mr. One Note

[Jakes Progress]

40. You would have thought that would tip us off.

Blinded by the light.

[ClarkUSA]

41. Still waiting for proof from the OP of WTF he's babbling about.

Nothing but a dodge so far:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=727588&mesg_id=728063

Blinded by the bile.

[Jakes Progress]

110. I know you are. But some of us actually kept up during the campaign

while others just cheered and cheered and blinked int he blinding light.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

42. I didn't realize that he was constantly praising Ronald Reagan during the campaign

Somebody who truly worshipped Reagan wouldn't want to be in the Democratic Party nor nominated by it IMHO.

[rury]

45. He praised Reagan's communication skills

not his policies.

http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html
But people don't seem to (want to) get that!
:banghead:

[ClarkUSA]

46. During this debt ceiling battle, he praised Reagan's raising of taxes 11 times during his presidency

He praised Reagan's communication skills not his policies:
http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html

Thank you!

[girl_interrupted]

60. Obama praised Reagan for his "transformation"

"Obama admires Reagan because he agrees with Reagan's basic frame that the 1960s and 1970s were full of 'excesses' and that government had grown large and unaccountable.

"Those excesses, of course, were feminism, the consumer rights movement, the civil rights movement, the environmental movement, and the antiwar movement. The libertarian anti-government ideology of an unaccountable large liberal government was designed by ideological conservatives to take advantage of the backlash against these 'excesses'."

"It is extremely disturbing to hear, not that Obama admires Reagan, but why he does so. Reagan was not a sunny optimist pushing dynamic entrepreneurship, but a savvy politician using a civil rights backlash to catapult conservatives to power. Masking Reagan's true political underpinning principles is a central goal of the conservative movement, with someone as powerful as Grover Norquist seeking to put Reagan's name on as many monuments as possible."

But if you think, as Obama does, that Reagan's rise to power was premised on a sunny optimism in contrast to an out of control government and a society rife with liberal excess, then you don't understand the conservative movement. Reagan tapped into greed and fear and tribalism, and those are powerful forces."

Obama's Admiration of Ronald Reagan http://www.openleft.com/diary/3263/

FDR was not a great communicator? No fireside chats? Not elected 4 times? FDR had to transform a country already in a Depression, then an attack on our country, then a World War.

Reagan? his watch was a day at the beach in comparison.

But of all the presidents to choose, he choses Reagan. It is what it is.

[ClarkUSA]

66. An Open Left op-ed from 2008? They were huge Hillary boosters back then. She lied, they lied.

President Obama praised Reagan's communication skills but never his policies:
http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html

[girl_interrupted]

71. There is a video of Obama praising Reagan right there

and it's not for his "communication skills". Anybody with half a brain, knows what Reagan's agenda/transformation meant. And Obama has a brain, so he agrees with it. Deal with it.

[ClarkUSA]

73. Exact quote? Hillary lied about what Obama said in the SC debate. He smacked her down (quote). -->

I can see why you might think so, given Hillary lied about what President Obama said about Reagan during the SC debate. He corrected her, though:

OBAMA: I was fighting these fights. I was fighting these fights. So -- but I want to be clear.

So I want to be clear. What I said had nothing to do with their policies. I spent a lifetime fighting a lifetime against Ronald Reagan's policies. But what I did say is that we have to be thinking in the same transformative way about our Democratic agenda.

We've got to appeal to Independents and Republicans in order to build a working majority to move an agenda forward. That is what I said.

APPLAUSE

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1053774/sc_debate_barack_obama_hillary_clinton_praises_reagan/

[girl_interrupted]

75. I'm assuming you can read

There is a transcript of what Obama says on the video, for you to enjoy! Lots of quotes, go for it!

[ClarkUSA]

78. You offer no quote? Well, as I said, Hillary lied about what Obama said and he smacked her down -->

Hillary lied about what President Obama said about Reagan during the SC debate. He corrected her, though:

OBAMA: I was fighting these fights. I was fighting these fights. So -- but I want to be clear.

So I want to be clear. What I said had nothing to do with their policies. I spent a lifetime fighting a lifetime against Ronald Reagan's policies. But what I did say is that we have to be thinking in the same transformative way about our Democratic agenda.

We've got to appeal to Independents and Republicans in order to build a working majority to move an agenda forward. That is what I said.

APPLAUSE

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1053774/sc_debate_barack_obama_hillary_clinton_praises_reagan/

[girl_interrupted]

93. Here you go!

Since you can't seem to listen to obama's own words on video and a transcript: "I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating"

Yes all those excesses like civil rights, feminism, the anti-war movement, thats what Reagan was against during the 60's and the 70's. Thats what Reagan considerd "excesses" Guess you don't know your history.

And anyone who spends a "lifetime" doesnt turn around and say he is for raising taxes, then extends thhe bush tax cuts... he has made it abundantly "clear" where he is coming from.

[ClarkUSA]

96. Link to a transcript? Your words seem a bit jumbled. What Pres. Obama really said -->

Hillary lied about what President Obama said about Reagan during the SC debate. He corrected her, though:

OBAMA: I was fighting these fights. I was fighting these fights. So -- but I want to be clear.

So I want to be clear. What I said had nothing to do with their policies. I spent a lifetime fighting a lifetime against Ronald Reagan's policies. But what I did say is that we have to be thinking in the same transformative way about our Democratic agenda.

We've got to appeal to Independents and Republicans in order to build a working majority to move an agenda forward. That is what I said.

APPLAUSE

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1053774/sc_debate_barack_obama_hillary_clinton_praises_reagan

Despite the false outrage via Clintonian hypocrisy, here are the facts as reported by Newser.com:

Dems Slam Obama's Praise for Reagan But It Turns Out Hillary Also Admires His 'Communication Skills'

Obama's camp insisted the candidate hadn't praised Reagan's policies or ideas, and also pointed out that Clinton's website lists Reagan as one of her favorite presidents. A smaller blaze of denials and clarifications ensued—apparently, Hillary just admires the Gipper's "communications skills."

http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html

[dsc]

57. that is baldly false

He has repeatedly praised him, as in over and over and over again, for his handling of debt and taxes, the last time being just yesterday in his Saturday radio address.

[ClarkUSA]

58. Um, no. It's true. rury backed up what he said with facts. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

[girl_interrupted]

95. seems like you must be swimming upstream

Talk about denial, hope you've got a pair of water wings.

[ClarkUSA]

97. Empty rhetoric.

:nopity:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

49. Links to those statements?

Aside from Obama saying Reagan was a tranformative president (which he was-- it's not necessarily a compliment), when has he praised him?

[kjackson227]

55. I don't think President Obama "praises" Reagan...

as much as he uses Reagan's words and policies against the Republicans. Obama points out Republican hypocrisies when trying to get bipartisan support because Reagan, (the Republicans' lord and savior who did everything right in their eyes) consistently passed the debt ceiling, raised taxes, etc., which a lot of Republicans are against.

[ClarkUSA]

59. Buh bye Hillary 2016: "Clinton's website lists Reagan as one of her favorite presidents."

Dems Slam Obama's Praise for Reagan
But It Turns Out Hillary Also Admires His 'Communication Skills'

Obama's camp insisted the candidate hadn't praised Reagan's policies or ideas, and also pointed out that Clinton's website lists Reagan as one of her favorite presidents. A smaller blaze of denials and clarifications ensued—apparently, Hillary just admires the Gipper's "communications skills."

http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html

[girl_interrupted]

61. Only Obama and Bush haven't raised taxes during war time

says it all.

[cascadiance]

112. More like Obama and Bush are the ONLY WORLD LEADERS to have cut taxes during wartime!

No wonder we're in such a mess!

[dsc]

62. I would like a link to a screenshot of her website saying that

put up or shut up.

[ClarkUSA]

63. Go ask Newser.com and David Plouffe. I just report the facts. Your denial isn't my problem.

[dsc]

64. No you linked it

you provide it. You are always asking for proof, so put up or shut up.

[girl_interrupted]

67. +1000 You're right! Its time he "proves" his own claims

It's time for him to put up or shut up.

[ClarkUSA]

68. Actually, rury did. You ignored the facts and continue to do so. Not my problem.

You have zero facts at your disposal.

[dsc]

76. I have his book with his very own words

and his speeches with his very own words. He praised Reagan for his tax and debt policy as recently as yesterday. Again, where is the link of the screen shot?

[ClarkUSA]

80. Hillary lied about what he said about Reagan so he smacked her down during the SC debate -->

OBAMA: I was fighting these fights. I was fighting these fights. So -- but I want to be clear.

So I want to be clear. What I said had nothing to do with their policies. I spent a lifetime fighting a lifetime against Ronald Reagan's policies. But what I did say is that we have to be thinking in the same transformative way about our Democratic agenda.

We've got to appeal to Independents and Republicans in order to build a working majority to move an agenda forward. That is what I said.

APPLAUSE

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1053774/sc_debate_barack_obama_hillary_clinton_praises_reagan/

<< He praised Reagan for his tax and debt policy as recently as yesterday.>>

D'oh? Get a clue:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=727588&mesg_id=728279

[girl_interrupted]

79. Where's the screenshot?

It's not in rury's post either. So present it. "Prove it"

[ClarkUSA]

81. Your denial of what Newser.com reported is not my problem. rury and I have noted facts.

lol! I can't wait to report them in 2015, too, out of respect for the OP. :)

[girl_interrupted]

83. You have proven nothing and provided no facts

Which is typical. Hell I gave you a video of Obama praising Reagan AND a transcipt and you still can't believe your own eyes and ears. And you can't even provide a screeshot! LOL! What a joke!

[ClarkUSA]

84. Bullshit. Why are you misleading people? One mo' time: Quote and link to Newser.com report ---->

Dems Slam Obama's Praise for Reagan
But It Turns Out Hillary Also Admires His 'Communication Skills'

Obama's camp insisted the candidate hadn't praised Reagan's policies or ideas, and also pointed out that Clinton's website lists Reagan as one of her favorite presidents. A smaller blaze of denials and clarifications ensued—apparently, Hillary just admires the Gipper's "communications skills."

http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html

I offered the same quote and link here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=727588&mesg_id=728290

Why are you misleading people as to what I have said? Is it because you got nuthin' but denial rhetoric?

[girl_interrupted]

87. Where is the screenshot on her website?

Oh gee, there isn't one. Guess you lose.

[ClarkUSA]

88. lol! Moving the goalpost? Why don't you contact Newser.com? I urge you to.

I'm assuming you can read:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=727588&mesg_id=728348

[girl_interrupted]

yawn...where's the screenshot?

I see no proof. I gave you a video of Obama speaking AND a transcript. You can't even provide a screenshot.

Did Obama who is almost 50 years old, praise Reagan? He did indeed. Not FDR, Not Clinton, NOt JFK, Not Carter, Not Truman.. but Reagan...the guy who hated liberal "excesses" ...like civil rights, anti-war, feminism, like the nanny government.

That was his pick. Says a lot.

[ClarkUSA]

99. Are you afraid to contact Newser.com? Hillary hearts Reagan, her being a former Republican and all.

[girl_interrupted]

98. yawn...where's the screenshot?

I see no proof. I gave you a video of Obama speaking AND a transcript. You can't even provide a screenshot.

Did Obama who is almost 50 years old, praise Reagan? He did indeed. Not FDR, Not Clinton, NOt JFK, Not Carter, Not Truman.. but Reagan...the guy who hated liberal "excesses" ...like civil rights, anti-war, feminism, like the nanny government.

That was his pick. Says a lot.

[ClarkUSA]

100. Hillary praised Reagan when she was nearly 60 years old and he's one of her fav Presidents.

She campaigned with him as a Young Republican to elect Barry Goldwater, so it's clear it's a lifelong love affair between them.

Hillary Clinton Campaigned with Ronald Reagan!
Filed under: Politics,Ronald Reagan — Victor @ 10:55 pm

Really!

In 1964, when Ronald Reagan made this speech to the RNC (in support of Barry Goldwater’s candidacy), Hillary Clinton was also campaigning for the Republican candidate for President. Wow.

http://usread.com/blog1/?p=230

"Former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, issued a statement that praised the former president for his optimistic outlook.

"Hillary and I will always remember President Ronald Reagan for the way he personified the indomitable optimism of the American people, and for keeping America at the forefront of the fight for freedom for people everywhere... We will always remember his tremendous capacity to inspire and comfort us in times of tragedy, ...and we can rest assured that, as joyous a place as Heaven is, his wit and sunny disposition are making it an even brighter place to be."~ President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Clinton."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4092735

Dems Slam Obama's Praise for Reagan
But It Turns Out Hillary Also Admires His 'Communication Skills'

Obama's camp insisted the candidate hadn't praised Reagan's policies or ideas, and also pointed out that Clinton's website lists Reagan as one of her favorite presidents. A smaller blaze of denials and clarifications ensued—apparently, Hillary just admires the Gipper's "communications skills."

http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html

How precious. :loveya:

[DURHAM D]

101. Trash the Clintons obsession.

Even the slightest criticism of Obama triggers his need to bash Clintons.

I have always assumed it to be personal. Maybe he lost a job, or didn't get a job he wanted, or he hit on Hillary (or Bill) and she/he blew him off and he was offended. I don't know. But it is really something to watch.

I remember during the primary that one of Edward's supporters acted the same way. It turned out that he had not received a catering contract for an event involving Bill Clinton and that was the basis of his hate.

[ClarkUSA]

102. Facts need no embellishment when it comes to the Clintons. (Quotes, links to Hillary's history)--->

Hillary Clinton Campaigned with Ronald Reagan!
Filed under: Politics,Ronald Reagan — Victor @ 10:55 pm

Really!

In 1964, when Ronald Reagan made this speech to the RNC (in support of Barry Goldwater’s candidacy), Hillary Clinton was also campaigning for the Republican candidate for President. Wow.

http://usread.com/blog1/?p=230

"Former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, issued a statement that praised the former president for his optimistic outlook.

"Hillary and I will always remember President Ronald Reagan for the way he personified the indomitable optimism of the American people, and for keeping America at the forefront of the fight for freedom for people everywhere... We will always remember his tremendous capacity to inspire and comfort us in times of tragedy, ...and we can rest assured that, as joyous a place as Heaven is, his wit and sunny disposition are making it an even brighter place to be."~ President Bill Clinton and Sen. Hillary Clinton."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4092735

Dems Slam Obama's Praise for Reagan
But It Turns Out Hillary Also Admires His 'Communication Skills'

Obama's camp insisted the candidate hadn't praised Reagan's policies or ideas, and also pointed out that Clinton's website lists Reagan as one of her favorite presidents. A smaller blaze of denials and clarifications ensued—apparently, Hillary just admires the Gipper's "communications skills."

http://www.newser.com/story/16799/dems-slam-obamas-praise-for-reagan.html

As I said before, one good turn deserves another. See ya in 2016! :hi:

[DURHAM D]

104. pathetic

What does this have to do with hing-heels Obama?

[ClarkUSA]

109. The sword cuts both ways.

:)

[TheKentuckian]

118. Hillary? Obama? Seems to me that sword is cutting in one the direction, right.

How is Hillary sucking ass a defense of her ideological shadow, Obama?

[Name removed]

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[DURHAM D]

106. Perhaps you need to read his book. nt

[AtomicKitten]

108. He never praised Regan. He was talking about the trajectory of change, not policy.

Considering the hyperbole you employed in just one sentence -- "constantly" and "praising" -- I'm confident facts are purely incidental to your agenda here.

[Unvanguard]

113. I'll happily endorse that proposal. n/t

[RBInMaine]

114. "constantly praising Reagan"??? How? When? Hyperbolic fringe nonsense.

[Donnachaidh]

115. the minute the candidate is *presented* by a celebrity on their show

RUN the other way......

We need to be wary of any future manufactured messiahs.....

[Tarheel_Dem]

120. You are what's wrong with modern day politics. Yesteryear's statesmen..

wouldn't stand a chance today. The PL and the rabid rightwing shockjocks wouldn't allow it. Divided government shouldn't present dysfunction & constant gridlock. It's sad, really. :(