Looks like the Democrats have agreed to let the Bush Tax cuts for the middle class expire in 2013.

[boston bean]

Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

What a winning fucking message in an election year.

Unless they have managed to negotiate with the republicans only the tax cuts for the wealthy expire.

hmmmmm... What are the chances of that?

[Scurrilous]

1. Link?

:shrug:

[boston bean]

4. look around GDP. many many threads about it. And for some reason people think it's great news for

Dems.

[TwilightGardener]

2. So, now letting bush tax cuts expire is BAD. I can't keep up with DU anymore.

[boston bean]

6. Keep up. As always keep middle class tax cuts, raise them on the wealthy.

You really think it's a good message for dems to go out and say all next year how wonderful it is that the middle class tax cuts are going to expire?

[TwilightGardener]

13. Honestly, they should never have been cut to begin with, for anybody.

But we have seen that Repubs will never allow them to be separated--either they go on in perpetuity or they expire for everybody.

[Dawgs]

22. YES!!! Putting tax rates back to Clinton era levels will HELP the economy.

WTF!! This place has become bizarro land.

[derby378]

8. They have to expire NOW or they're not going anywhere in 2013

Never give up a sure thing for a mere possibility. Promises on Capitol Hill get broken as often as hearts in a whorehouse.

[derby378]

3. That'll never pass the Senate

Oh, wait. Lieberman is part of the majority caucus. Fuck.

[DrToast]

5. Nothing has to pass. It's already law

How do people not know this?

[boston bean]

12. good point! nt

[Enrique]

7. where'd you hear that? n/t

[boston bean]

9. Dems have managed to save the day the boosh tax cuts will expire in 2012.

haven't you been reading GDP?

[global1]

21. When Exactly Do The Bush Tax Cuts Expire?......

Before or after the election in November?

[boston bean]

27. After, just like last time. You don't think this will be an issue?

plus they were already set to expire, this is no big win.

[global1]

31. Then If We Can Maintain The Senate And Take Back The House.....

things could play right into the hands of the Dems. So if we come out of this debt deal now like it seems to be playing out its a pretty good deal - right?

[ProSense]

10. Question:

So?

[boston bean]

11. I think I've explained it to you multiple times now, read and try to comprehend. nt

[ProSense]

14. Where, and did the explanation make sense? n/t

[boston bean]

15. your pro"Sense", you tell me. I think I've have pretty sound logic. and have made my case.

As for you, the only response is:

So?

[ProSense]

16. "I think I've have pretty sound logic. and have made my case."

"Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

What a winning fucking message in an election year.

Unless they have managed to negotiate with the republicans only the tax cuts for the wealthy expire.

hmmmmm... What are the chances of that?"



Really?


:rofl:

[boston bean]

17. when you got nothing, turn to trying to belittle people. that's all you got.... NOTHING.

[ProSense]

19. You're

"when you got nothing, turn to trying to belittle people. that's all you got.... NOTHING."

...right!

[Autumn]

18. What are the chances of that?

What chance does an ice cube have in hell? The Bush and Obama tax cuts are here to stay.

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. Nothing has changed far as I can tell. Seems fine to me

There is a sunset clause on Bush tax cuts, they all automatically expire. Same as before, the original expiration was pushed back in the earlier budget deal to 2913. Before that Demos had proposed passing new legislation to retain middle class tax cuts and allow those for the wealthy to expire. Republicans opposed, saying all the tax cuts should be permanent.

So now in this election year coming, Dems can campaign in favor of new legislation extending middle class tax cuts only. Let the Repubs oppose middle class tax cut extensions if they want, or let them be blamed for torpedoing them if the wealthy don't get their way.

[boston bean]

24. That is exactly what they did last time. And were winning, but still...... we got shit on.

I'm not holding my breath.

[Ikonoklast]

25. Stop it with facts and such!

DUer's would rather just make shit up, and roll then in it.

[boston bean]

26. The fact of the matter is this is exactly the same scenario we got last time.

[Ikonoklast]

29. You woukd have thrown the unemployed to the wolves?

A deal was made.

[boston bean]

32. No. I would have done something Obama never does.

Fight like fuckin hell!

Then let the chips fall where they may.

[Tom Rinaldo]

30. Yes it is

And it looked fine last time too and then it went to hell. All true. I'm just saying things are exactly where they were with the Bush tax cuts now as we were when Obama got elected, except the budget deal extension pushed expiration of them back to 2013.

I would only add that this is the exact same scenario we always had from the moment the Bush tax cuts first passed. Nothing has changed since then except for the temporary two year extension agreed to in the last budget deal.

[ellenfl]

23. good, let them all expire. personally, i can afford to pay more

in taxes. if i lose my job, my taxes will be a lot less anyway, so paying a little more now, to get more $ from the super wealthy, is ok by me. then pres obama can offer a new middle class tax cut. i don't believe that republicans will vote against a tax cut that excludes the super wealthy unless they want to be in a permanent minority.

how many of us are middle class anymore anyway? let them all expire. i can only hope that some of the increased revenue will help the unemployed and the poor. we've helped the poor rich enough.

ellen fl

[BklnDem75]

28. Not surprised at all...

Once again, many are trying to take both sides of the expiring tax cuts argument, where Obama ends up the villain with either decision. Same thing happened back in 2010. Message control really sucks on this particular subject.

[dkf]

33. Bush cuts for the rich are only $700 billion of $3.8 trillion.

We need all that revenue or did you want to cut all that more spending?

We never could afford those cuts. Not a single dime.