Why does Obama have to keep on talking about the deficit?

[flamingdem]

Because the MSM picked that ball up and ran with it and threw it softly to every teabagger who appears on their networks including Raul whatshisname who is spouting now on CNN

He wants to talk about jobs, but where is congressional support for that?

WITH GREATER EMPLOYMENT OUR ECONOMY WILL REDUCE THE DEFICIT WITH EASE!!


Where are the jobs Boehner?

[Vincardog]

1. If Obama wants to talk about JOBS Why doesn't he? Because he doesn't want to/ he wants to enable

the corporatist agenda

[flamingdem]

2. BS. Obviously jobs are key to his re-election, so what you're saying is paranoid

and doesn't take into account that he can't get votes because all the assholes on TV and the DINOS and rightward keep talking about deficits for their own stupid reasons.

He won't get votes for job creation because the facists and media don't give a shit about the American worker, they get their stock market profits and the teaparty gets their sense of power

[Vincardog]

3. OH that is why he never even TRIED to renegotiate NAFTA or any other of the flat earth trade

agreements LIKE HE CAMPAIGNED ON. He does not need congress or anybody else to renegotiate them he just does not want to.
I do not buy the BS that Obama WANTS to be progressive He just does not have the support he needs.
THAT IS A LOAD OF BULLSHIT

[flamingdem]

6. He is hamstrung by a facist repuke block congress that will not vote a cent for job creation

it makes zero sense to think he doesn't want JOBS! The independents and democrats need them and it's key to his re-election.

So justify why he doesn't want jobs in your opinion

[Vincardog]

11. BEcause his corporate over lords want to drive down American wages and the middle class' political

influence. He is DLC to the bone. Or make that New Dem ow whatever the corporatist are calling themselves today

[flamingdem]

17. Illogical. The overlords need consumers and Obama needs votes, so fail on

the Obama is the butler to the overlords meme.

[Vincardog]

37. Why would you believe your eyes when you can spout that pap?

[tularetom]

4. He's the President, he can talk about jobs anytime he wants to

And it would get covered.

And while it's true that a lot of the fault for what's going on belongs to the lunatic fringe and their media enablers, I don't get the feeling that jobs are a big thing with Obama at the moment.

In fact I don't think they have ever been a big thing with him, going back as far as the stimulus which was very very lacking in public works/infrastructure investment which would have created a shitload of jobs.

[flamingdem]

8. WHY was the stimulus lacking? Want to blame Obama for that too? He could

not get more out of the repukes, whose only goal by the way is to unseat him.

Don't help them.

[tularetom]

14. The stimulus never included a robust package of public works spending

Even though most economists urged it from the beginning.

It was Obama's Goldman Sachs brain trust, not the republicans, that talked him into directing the funding away from infrastructure investment. But it was him that did it.

So yes, I do want to blame him for that.

[flamingdem]

15. I don't totally disagree about the GS influence but it was the repukes who refused more stimulus nt

[SteveM]

23. This is true. Goldman Sachs called Obama's tune. That is all. nt

[Cosmocat]

39. Sweet mother mary and joseph ...

seriously?

[treestar]

5. Boner really believes more tax cuts will provide the jobs

Which the President will not agree to, since he is a commie, you know, so it's POTUS' fault.

Ask him why the bush tax cuts did not create jobs and he will say they weren't deep enough.

These people believe this crap.

They really believe global warming does not happen but if it does it is not our fault, but god's and we cannot do anything about it anyway. Every cold winter proves this. Every hot summer is just summer, that's just the way summer is.

[flamingdem]

10. Psycho talk - which is why I blame the media, it's not a rightward tilt, it's a tilt

towards allowing insane talk due to incompetent and corrupt journalism.

[treestar]

29. That's true.

You know what is funny, too, is all the praise for Bernie or Dennis cutting down the President that you see.

The media lets Bachmann and Palin and the like go onto the shows with the craziest right wing shit ever.

And yet we have no one to go on with the craziest left wing shit ever. You'd think Bernie, as a socialist, would go on TV and spout all of that. Repubs go on TV and demand an end to all regulation, etc., no higher taxes, cuts in benefits, but when does Bernie ever go on TV and demand nationalization or single payer? Instead he turns on Obama.

For all the praise of Grayson and Feingold and Dennis, when have any of those three gone on TV to discuss how there should be single payer, a bigger safety net, earlier end to wars, higher taxes for the rich, lower taxes and more benefits for the poor, nationalizing the oil industry and the rest of the stuff we see here demanded on DU? Instead they just criticize how Obama does things.

It may not even be the media's fault. Just the left's desire to criticize itself and its leaders trumping the real desire to demand leftist legislation, even if it sounds "crazy" to the mainstream.

[indepat]

7. Just echoing and re-enforcing the big RW lie, for if a lie is repeated often enough, most people

will believe it. Moreover, the nation must not have a serious unemployment problem if we are to believe what comes out of/does not come out of Washington. Welcome to another great depression, America, all courtesy of the right-wingers who proliferate Washington and their fellow-travelers who spew their RW ideological, but heretical, lies and disinformation as dissembled 24/7 by the MSM. :patriot:

[flamingdem]

12. Thank you for pointing to the right wing and their tactics to prevent job creation

and a very good word to describe the psycho talk... since it's done with a goal in mind..

disinformation

[gateley]

9. The deficit (which shouldn't have been lumped into the debt ceiling

issue but was) is breathing down our necks NOW. We need jobs NOW, too, but within the next two days it's more important to get the ceiling raised otherwise those with and without jobs will be hurt.

I also think they feel that until the deficit is under control, or at least addressed, that the push for jobs won't yield as much as it could in an economy where we weren't drowning in debt.

But that's just my take on it.

I've heard that the House has shut down a LOT of job-creating bills since the mid-terms, but you're right, he does need to inform and and focus on that.

[flamingdem]

13. The US is the economic engine for the world, it can make up the deficit quickly

but Obama has been hamstrung by "capital" and republicans who do better with greater employment.

The repukes do better because they can win elections

Capital does better because workers must accept less in a tight jobs economy


But EVERYONE wants to blame Obama for being in the midst of these powerful and immoral forces

[Autumn]

16. What else does he have to talk about? Jobs program,

nope, marvelous recovery, nope.

[flamingdem]

18. This was the Rovian plan to unseat him. Let's not help them. nt

[Autumn]

19. Yeah let's don't help him.Make sure you tell Obama n/t

[flamingdem]

20. huh? no comprendo your grammar nt

[Autumn]

21. Oh so sorry. Let's see

I said " What else does he have to talk about? Jobs program,nope, marvelous recovery, nope."

You said "This was the Rovian plan to unseat him. Let's not help them. nt"

I said " Yeah let's don't help him .Make sure you tell Obama n/t"
Now let's break that down

Question:
Why does Obama have to keep on talking about the deficit?
Me:
well he doesn't have a jobs program, he doesn't have a great economy. Right now the deficit takes over and that's a win. It's a crisis and that is all that's covered in the news.

If that's is Roves plan, I agreed, Lets not help Rove, but someone should buy Obama a clue.

Yo comprendo?

[flamingdem]

25. I think you're naive if you blame the economy on Obama, and no support for job funding nt

[Autumn]

30. Whatever, he is the President.

he is the one who accepted and has agreed with the republican framing of the deficit. He is the one who has allowed the budget and the deficit to be tied together, he is the one who put SS and Medicare on the table. He is the one who praises every fucking low life republican there is. People outside DU will place the shitty economy and no jobs on his shoulders. You are naive to think otherwise.

[flamingdem]

32. It's called being a politician, Bernie will never be president, or Howard Dean

It's the reality of that job.

[Autumn]

33. Of course not. The powers that be will never allow

some one who is not steeped in corporatism to be in the WH. Have you forgotten 2004 and 2008? That's reality.

[flamingdem]

34. No. The powers that be had no guarentee that Obama would support their interests and he won nt

[Autumn]

35. You certainly have an opinion on that and you will get no

flames from me on that, even though I see it differently.

[SteveM]

22. As predicted by some observers two years ago:

The GOP WILL set the terms of the debate around the deficit. MSM WILL follow those terms. Obama WILL conform to those terms.

Obama's outlook (philosophy?) is unstinting compromise; The GOP sees this and knows they have an open field and a weak opponent...

The ol' Cracker sat in his creaking rocker on the sagging porch, chewing his tobacco, and considered the child's question about how to compromise with those in power. After some thought, he leaned forward; working his mouth, consolidating. He cocked his lead and loosed a stream some fifteen feet toward an empty coffee can near a palmetto. The can wobbled 'round twice before coming to a rest, burdened by the fresh load. The Cracker leaned back, wiped his mouth on his sleeve, and looked thoughtfully at the passing clouds, then spoke:

"Son, dem boy' don't compromise."

[flamingdem]

27. He's a compromiser, as have been the rest, but the BLAME should be on the repukes nt

[SteveM]

40. Trouble is, when one leads, he/she must have something to lead with...

President Obama has uniquely asked to compromise with an outfit which doesn't, the GOP. And "the rest of us" must wait for the president's proposals/negotiations to creep out somewhere in a news report before anyone can formulate an opinion, let alone a disposition to take up a cause. He presents no causes to an opposition which has, whether we like them or not, numerous causes. This is a formula for failure, and the Far Right knows it.

[woolldog]

24. He's the POTUS

He is notpowerless to shape public opinion and get out there and lead. He's failed to do that. He's completely bought into the republican frame. This idea of the potus being at the mercy of republicans, even if I buy that idea, just underscores he's unfit for the office.

[flamingdem]

26. He's gotten plenty done if you look sat his record

Here you are doing what you can to obscure that fact.

[woolldog]

31. Sorry, but no public option but a health insurance mandate

(which he campaigned against in Hilary's plan); no end to the Bush tax cuts; a focus on massive spending cuts and reduction in government and giving in to the Republican fetishization of the debt and deficit; a piss poor economy; no end to the Bush wars; appointment of moderate to right of center SC justices, dwarfs whatever "accomplishments" you're interested in listing.

Anything that he *has* done, any other Dem would've done as well plus more. With the mandate he had when he was elected, a Democratic congress, 1 vote short of a philibuster proof majority (oh that's right he campaigned for Lieberman), he's been a horrible, horrible disappointment. There's no escaping that.

[treestar]

28. Congress is Congress - it is not powerless to shape public opinon

and each member can get out there and lead.

You have bought into the Right wing frame of POTUS as all powerful.

Go out and find that leader who will lead and get you to go along with whatever he/she says.

[Zenlitened]

36. Why did Pres. Obama create the Simpson-Bowles commission?

:shrug:

http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/about/

[Proles]

38. Cheney was right about one thing...

Deficits don't matter! Jobs matter!

If you have more people employed, more people pay taxes -- hence, more revenues to pay down the deficit.

Cutting government spending during a recession is dumb. Democrats need to take the whole "it's about the jobs" talking point and run with it.

[yurbud]

41. Because Wall Street and the bankers told him to.