I support the president

[melissaf]

That is all.

[Armstead]

1. So do I but I wish he would start earning it real soon

[Ikonoklast]

80. What will you do when Bernie votes 'Aye' on this bill?

Under the bus with him?

[The Wielding Truth]

2. Me, too!I support our Democracy and the President of our USA.

[rury]

3. I do, too!!

EOM

[lunatica]

4. Sometimes I do too

And sometimes I don't.

[Supersedeas]

75. When you do, start a thread....

[peacebird]

5. I wish he supported us and looked after the interests of the many, not the few.

But I am sure the TeaPartyTerrorists are very happy today.

[boxman15]

40. Not exactly.

Far-right blogs and commenters are going on and on about how Boehner and co. have sold them out.

[great white snark]

6. Aye.

Most of the time he gets my support. All of the time he gets my respect.

[vroomvroom]

7. Let's Face it....You'd Still Support The President if he went to Right of the Tea Party

So nothing new here. Undying support no matter what is a funny thing. I thought only republicans had it.

:crazy:

[melissaf]

10. Sorry

You can't talk me down, and you can't pigeonhole me, either.

We're talking ourselves to death in this community. That's a sad thing.

[Lyric]

17. Are you serious?

Don't talk! Don't think! Just shut up and hand over your money and time and votes.

:crazy: :wtf: :crazy:

Yeah, I REALLY don't think that's gonna happen.

[melissaf]

26. You don't know who I am.

You don't know what I do. Do you really think you can characterize my behavior by a handful of sentences I've written on a message board?

[Vanje]

39. Feel free to fill us in on the gaps

Start typing. Its free.

[melissaf]

47. Frankly, I don't want to

get into my beliefs, values, life experiences, and the like with people who are just going to pin a cartoon button on me that says "lockstepper" or "stupid" or "naive" or "shipper" or whatever the going term is these days.

[Name removed]

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[melissaf]

58. How so?

You really think that I'm going to share anything about me when you're even criticizing my _lack_ of sharing as "weak"? Maybe I'm just not a blogger-generation kinda gal, but I'm not going to spill my guts to validate my point. My point stands on its own.

[tcaudilllg]

87. Oh but you see Melissa, I can.

I developed the ability. You are transparent to me. And now, everyone else here sees through you as well.

[melissaf]

89. Hah!

Really??? Are you Nostradamus?? Wow. Tell me--who am I? Where was I born? Where did I grow up? Please enlighten me.

[tcaudilllg]

92. It's not the socially constructed you that is important.

It's your nature which damns.

[melissaf]

96. You can say that again.

I have a better username for you--Glendower. Look it up.

[jefferson_dem]

16. And you'd still hate him...

Regardless of what he does.

Relentless expressions of manufactured concern over petty shit makes it hard to take some seriously when they may actually have a legitimate point.

[treestar]

21. Let's face it. You would give undying support if you could just find the right

leader. Someone who leads. No matter what they stood for, as long as they knew how to lead and never ever compromise and yet still get everything.

A real leader talks the opposition away with a bully pulpit. Is able to mold and shape public opinion so that Congress is always of the leader's party and votes 535-0 for what the leader wants.

A real progressive leader would create a country with no tea party and no Republicans and no Blue Dogs, and no centrists. They would just disappear, because the leader who knows how to lead them would get them all to turn into progressives.

[melissaf]

32. I hate to say it, but

that's not how it works. Opposition parties don't go away. The people who have different values than us don't just disappear. They still exist no matter how hard anyone--president or otherwise--tries to talk them down. As long as they live in this country, we have to deal with them.

[melissaf]

33. oops, my bad

got confused as to who you were replying to, Treestar. Didn't mean to call you out--sorry!

[William769]

I support Democratic values.

To bad the two are not the same.

[MissDeeds]

34. +1 n/t

[Supersedeas]

73. Bush has his personality political supporters too

Personality politics is alive and well

[melissaf]

78. Personality politics

has nothing to do with it.

[Ozymanithrax]

8. I do not support cuts to Medicare and Social Security,

I do not support those who bargain for those cuts.
They are people out to screw the poor and middle class any way they can.

[treestar]

23. So you support the default instead?

That's the choice here.

[Ozymanithrax]

28. If you support cuts your logic implies you support the teapublicans...

Since that is their agenda. Because you seem to state it is an either or choice.

I have a feeling that assumption is as dead wrong as the Teapublicans who have decided they must destroy America in order to save it.

To assume I refuse to support cuts to Medicare and Medicaid is the same as assuming I support default is faulty logic.

If the motto of the Democratic Party is "We had to do it because those mean wicked Teapublicans were mean and wicked" then they have become a party of cowards, and I will be no part of it.

[treestar]

30. How does this work?

How does it make the R House support a debt ceiling raise to avoid the default? Or do you say just let the default happen, since that's what the R House can do?

How do we force the R House to write a bill they don't want to pass and pass it?

If we can do that, we can get them to pass anything, tax increases, single payer, you name it.

[Ozymanithrax]

38. How does this work?

Democrats bow down, lift their butts in the air, and say, "Thank you sir may I have another."

If they refuse to pass a budget that doesn't cut Social Security and Medicare, then we say "We are sorry you chose to destroy America. We will all live with the consequences."

Our system is designed to require compromise. Compromise requires both sides to give something. At this moment, the system is broken because a faction unwilling to compromise has gained power.

If we surrender on this, what is the point of elections. We just pass an amendment to the Constitution that declares one party rule by Teapublicans.

The rest of us can go about our miserable lives and hope that they throw a bone every now and then.

This is the time to take a stand. We should be ready to accept the consequences of refusing to surrender.

[elocs]

9. Soon many of us will know if we will be eating crow

or if we will be bitterly disappointed and betrayed as a result of Obama's actions and choices.

That is all.

[melissaf]

11. And where did all this black-or-white thinking

come from? Are the only two options total victory or total defeat? Is that what our political thinking has been reduced to?

[elocs]

18. No new taxes or revenue; cuts to SS & Medicare--that's a clear defeat and Republican victory.

The opposite is a victory and there really will not be much of any in between.

[melissaf]

49. I don't see it that way

My god, there are so many shades of gray in this whole mess, I can't even begin to list them here. But one thing to remember, too, is that we're all going to be here August 3rd, no matter what happens. We still have to move on. Life is not a winner-take-all proposition, and frankly, democracy shouldn't be, either. Not sure how to break that to the Tea Partiers, but maybe they'll learn after this whole debtmageddon is over...

[jefferson_dem]

12. Mostly, I do.

Occasionally, I don't. Even when I don't, I always respect the man and don't question his principles.

[Pisces]

14. +1

[Logical]

25. I do question his methods....

He is naive about the GOP and has not learned his lessons yet. I hope he does soon.

[jefferson_dem]

36. His instincts do seem to be "common ground and compromise" first.

I admire that approach, generally speaking, but it's not exactly a fair fight when everyone else is going with the ruthless "take no prisoners" political bloodsport approach.

[Logical]

42. I 100% agree with you! In a normal working relationship those are great traits! But...

With the new current set of GOP/batters it is a waste of time. But Obama is no doubt the only adult in the room. And the smartest president we have ever had!

[tcaudilllg]

86. His instinct to save people

has a destructive relationship when paired with those who lack the mental facility for compromise. They create crisis after crisis by withholding their participation, and as a result his authority is misused to destroy the entire social apparatus.

Watch: they will create another "crisis" and we will watch on as Obama once again erodes the government infrastructure. That is their desire: the express destruction of these United States.

[Tx4obama]

43. Well said. n/t

[Vanje]

53. I did not used to question his principles , though, I was concerned about his methods....

Now I've seen enough.
I absolutely question his principles, though , sadly, I have full confidence in his methods.

[kjackson227]

13. I will definitely vote for President Obama in 2012...

but I won't be as enthusiastic as I was in 2008.

[Logical]

27. Same here, no option but to vote for him. But no money or time from me this time!

[Vanje]

54. I'm still hoping for a viable primary contender

Yes. I'm a dreamer.

[girl_interrupted]

15. Time for the President to support the People

He's a millionaire, he can take care of himself. I worry about the people that can't, like those dependent on Medicare & Medicaid & Social Security. Time we started worrying about people with real needs, not a politican looking to further his career.

[treestar]

22. Who are "the People"

Just those dependent on M&M and SS. ??????

Please, don't give freepers ammunition.

[a simple pattern]

64. You think the economy doesn't depend

on Medicare payments? On peoples' SS checks that are spent before they're received?

I hope you're paying attention to what's happening in Somalia, friend.

[jaxx]

19. K&R

[Nedsdag]

20. Me too!

+1

[Whisp]

24. I will see your ThatIsAll and raise you one ThatIsAll

I support the president.

[melissaf]

35. Thanks. :-)

[DrDan]

29. while others stand on principles

[Autumn]

31. I support the Democratic Platform not any one person.

That is all.

[Vanje]

37. Thats nice

I hope it does something for you.

[politicasista]

41. Kick

:kick: :patriot:

[melissaf]

44. See, here's the way I see it:

No one is expecting everyone to agree on policy. Do you agree with everything that, say, your mother thinks? Your spouse or partner? Your children? Of course not. The Republicans have convinced themselves that to support their leaders, they MUST support everything that person says, thinks, or does. That is a false equivalency, and it will be their undoing. But I'm convinced that we, on the other side, have swallowed the poison of the past ten years, too. We seem to think that, in order to disagree with our leaders, we have to tear them down, mock them, question their motivations, and generally pick them apart for all the world to see. We put the title President in quotation marks in front of Obama's name. (Yes, I've seen that on the front page in a diary on a different site.) I'm sure a lot of savvy Republicans are eating this for breakfast.

I think supporting President Obama (and yeah, he is the president--he doesn't get quotation marks) means solidarity. And by saying I support the president, I support everyone else in the party that I disagree with. Solidarity on our end of things scares the crap out of Republicans.

And one more thing: principles tend to be cold, hard, inflexible things. Principles ain't people. When I see what comes out of this "deal," I may hate it with every fiber of my being. But I still support the president. That is all.

[Empowerer]

48. +1 - 1000 percent

[Scurrilous]

45. Thanks.

:thumbsup:

[graywarrior]

46. Same here, altho he keeps me on edge sometimes

[CakeGrrl]

50. So do I.

Barbarians are at the gate for real.

[melissaf]

68. That's the scary part. n/t

[Peacetrain]

52. That is two.. one on each side of the divide.

:rofl:

Sundays in the DU.

EDIT TO ADD..


That is all? really

[melissaf]

59. I started it.

Hah! :)

[Peacetrain]

60. Ahhh the clouds part..

:hi:..

[steve2470]

55. Me too, and voting for him in 2012 and all Democrats nt

[Top Cat]

56. I Support The President!!!!!

[jzodda]

57. I think many of us will wait and see what the deal actually consists of

Feels better to wait till the final parameters of the deal is released. There is too much misinformation and speculation going around now.

If there is anybody I do support right now its Pelosi. I want to see what she thinks of this deal.

but nobody deserves support just for supports sake. I am no centrist and I won't support dems who move too much to the right for the sake of "compromise." Mostly because moderate republicans are gone and compromise by todays crop of repubs is getting dems to go along with a right wing agenda.

[melissaf]

61. I hear you.

Whether or not you feel you can support the president is your decision, obviously. I may be less sensitive to shifts to the left or right. And of course, we can't stop pushing. People who want change are always swimming upstream, to put it mildly--there's no effort needed in supporting the status quo, social or political or otherwise.

[Number23]

62. The overheated, mindless, absolutely absurd amount of heat your simple OP

has generated, including an incredibly stupid call-out OP in response, beautifully highlights the plummeting quality of conversation and information on this web site in the last few years.

This place needs holy water.

[lumpy]

63. Oh boy, I have to agree with you on that point. Where have all

the calm voices gone?

[Number23]

67. Many left.

And not just the calm voices, the INFORMED voices as well. Drowned out by a sea of unending shrillness and "purity" rivaled only by the Tea Party itself.

I think the rest of us just come here now to point and laugh.

[melissaf]

66. You can say that again.

That was sort of the thinking behind the post: simplicity. I'm sick of using qualifiers. The constant waxing and waning and yelling and screaming, I think, is where the Republicans are getting us. If we could all take a deep breath, especially after this debt debacle, and just say, I support the president, conservatives would be terrified.

[TheKentuckian]

93. "Just supporting the President" is mindless and counter-productive

Supporting someone who gives me more reason to oppose him is absurd.

Conservatives are not terrified of our "supporting the President" because he will implement their agenda. The man is an ideological global corporatist. That is an agenda I oppose, just as I have always opposed it from the opposition. Now the debate is speed and degree not basic direction.

The full spectrum of "serious" debate is conservative.

[melissaf]

98. So if the conservatives are good with him

supporting their agenda, why do they hate him so much?

Also, it's probably because it's late, but I have no idea what you're talking about as far as speed and direction and spectrum go.

[flamingdem]

65. Still rec'ed at 14

so things aren't so dire around here.

[polichick]

69. Whatever.

[Vanje]

70. Why?

[melissaf]

71. Good question.

Because he still embodies the democratic ideals I voted for. Because I think he's a smart guy, and I don't believe that he's totally unaware of the immensely crappy position he's in right now. Because I think he does, in fact, care about all the retirees that would be forced to open cans of catfood if the government shuts down. That's one of the reasons he's been "caving" when the Republicans manufacture their convenient armageddons--he doesn't want people to suffer. Which is better, standing on principles and letting real people go hungry, or taking a hit now and helping people survive?

Because I refuse to jump all over the president every time he does something I'm not sure I agree with, *especially* since the news that comes down to us is often less than accurate.

And, last but not least, because it pisses off Republicans when Democrats support each other, on their terms, not as one big fascist blob but as thinking, reasoning human beings in solidarity.

[Vanje]

72. Good answer.

Well said.

[melissaf]

77. Thanks.

[brentspeak]

74. Uh, ok...

[trueblue2007]

76. me too

[Tarheel_Dem]

79. As do I!

:hi:

[tcaudilllg]

81. Then you're all losers

who have no value to the Democratic Party or humanity in general. Evil people stomp on you and you just sit and take it. Pathetic wimps.

[melissaf]

82. Wow.

That's...really sad. You read this whole thread and that's all you have to say? Talk about projection...

[tcaudilllg]

88. I wrote the book on projection.

I'm in a class you'll never reach for as long as you live. In fact, I'm not going to ask that you give up your faith in Obama. You're clearly beyond hope. You will look on as more are hurt and you will still stand by him because you don't really care about others, only your idealization of him.

The "tragic loyalist" archetype par excellence.

[melissaf]

91. Dang

You just get better and better, don't you? So you're in a class I'll never reach, huh? Tell Jesus, Buddha and Allah I said hello.

[tcaudilllg]

94. Don't really care for them.

Unaware of their subconscious and thus, pitifully unable to detach themselves from the destructive cycles they found themselves in.

[tcaudilllg]

84. Do you have any idea?

How many people will be hurt by these cuts? How many families will face hunger on account of them? I'm sure there will be at least a handful of suicides over these cuts, and other deaths besides. Those deaths are on your hands. But you don't care. You aspired to light, but were transformed by the Republicans into unfeeling partisan monsters. For that, you should and shall meet the same bleak fate you miserable worthless wretches.

[Name removed]

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[Ikonoklast]

83. The shriller th voices get from the fringe, the more certain I am that he is doing a good job.

The Teabaggers are losing their minds right now over this deal, just like...others...that hate Mr. Obama.

[tcaudilllg]

90. if only

This is a victory. They know the end of the "goliath" is not going to happen overnight. Step by step they are starving the monster. Wait for them to gloat tomorrow. Just wait.

[Ikonoklast]

95. Whatever.

You are a hoot, though.

Like the massive ego displayed.

Looks good on ya.

From your wesite, posted by you: http://www.progressivesocionics.co.cc/forum/viewtopic.php?p=846&highlight=#846

"Oh, and Barry has been acting like a douche bag. I really liked being ordered to vote. How's that for D running over everything?"


FUCK OFF.

[tcaudilllg]

101. Tough words from someone who doesn't understand what 'D' means in that context.

[Ikonoklast]

104. Yeah, tough words, indeed.

Here's a word for you: Nutcase.

No context necessary.

[TheKentuckian]

97. Deciding good policy is not about ordering a medium soda.

Especially when that medium soda can be any actual size depending on how far the right can push the dialog.

[Ikonoklast]

102. You are the President.

The Teabaggers are holding this economy hostage. They are political idiots, ideologues, and hate you with every fiber of their being

It's up to YOU to deal with them...or they will shut down the government, doing irreparable damage to the economy of this nation, possibly crashing the world economy along with it.


GO!


Oh, and if you invoke the 14th, you get Impeached, spending the rest of your days as President dealing with that issue as the nation is crashed down around you by the Teabaggers.

[donheld]

99. Well aren't you just precious?

[melissaf]

100. Thanks, friend

You must be a real cutie yourself.

[styersc]

103. Now we have to get the president to support us. Move past this.

Protect our priorities and promote our issues.

Not much to be happy about this, but it can be turned around if we work!!!!