Kill the Bill, or let the bill go through the Senate and to Conference?

[FrenchieCat]

Which one are you for currently?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Well, I've talked to some friends of mine ...

Who are way more knowledgeable than I am about politics.

And the consensus is that we should pass the thing, and work it out in conference.

So, I'm leaning that way.

:hi:

[secondwind]

31. Ram this thing through already! We can fix it later.....we may never pass this way again!

[timeforpeace]

33. It cannot be fixed in conference-read below, a deal was made that precludes fixing it.

[Undercurrent]

2. Pass it.

Work on it in Conference.

Then we continue to work on it every year we have the votes to do so, just like we had to do with SSI, and Medicare.

[mike_c]

3. kill it-- the bad parts that are shared will NOT be changed in conference....

This bill is a travesty and a betrayal.

[grytpype]

19. :cry:

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

[Sebastian Doyle]

4. Weak "leadership" in both houses is what allowed this bill to get this bad

Anyone who truly believes it will be "fixed" by the likes of Reid or Pelosi at the last second probably also believes a fat man in a red coat will be breaking into their house through the chimney next week.

[bigwillq]

5. Oh no!

Santa's not real?!?!?!?! :rofl:

[Sebastian Doyle]

6. Well, even if he is......

...he's not bringing shit to the DLC'ers this year!

[bigwillq]

7. Naw, Santa Rahm

will make sure his buddies are well taken care of. :rofl:

[Milo_Bloom]

8. The right thing would be to kill it.

But since enough of them are bought and paid for, it will like be passed

[janx]

9. Kill the Senate version as it stands now.

Make adjustments. Then let it go back to the House.

[vaberella]

10. The way people in here talk, they act like it's the final bill.

You'd never know that this bill is just trying to get to conference.

[Garam_Masala]

16. "Officially" it is not final bill however

do you think a stronger HCR bill can pass the senate
knowing how many of them had to be appeased to even
get to this very bad bill?

[vaberella]

17. Baucus' bill was an outright disaster--but when it made it through it was basically scrapped.

Same BS was on this site then---but it doesn't exist now because this is the shit to complain about. We don't know what could happen during and after conference, yet on this site---the same shit where people acted like Baucus was it, they're acting like this is it.

[Warren Stupidity]

11. I hate this bill but I hate giving the teafuglicans a victory more

So relunctantly I vote let it go through.

[mystieus]

12. Pass it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. Conference and then fix it. If it continues to get crappier it may need to die. But my hope

and preference is that it be fixed.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

14. Get what we can get through now

Expand Medicare via Reconciliation ASAP.

[graywarrior]

15. Pass it

Then improve it.

[IndianaGreen]

18. According to the deal struck between Reid and Nelson, the House won't be able to fix it

The conference will have severe limitations as to what they can change. Nelson used the term "material changes" which means that any substantive changes will not be permitted.

On the basis of that, we are better off killing the bill, and start all over in the House with a couple of bills using the reconciliation route, which only requires a majority vote to pass in both houses of Congress.

[Joe Bacon]

22. Precisely!

Just wait till you see the anger generated when people see the combined effect of taxed health care benefits, astronomical premium increases and reduced coverage. It will be a repeat of the mob mentality that forced the repeal of Medicare Catastrophic Care in the 90s!

[Armstead]

20. I think the latest compromise forbids changes in Conference

I read -- wish I had the link -- that one of the terms of the "compromise" with nelson is that the bill would not be changed in Conference.

I can't guarantee that's correct but if it is, What You See is What You get.

[IndianaGreen]

30. only limited changes allowed, but no changes to Ben Nelson's language

[GreenArrow]

21. Kill it.

As for fixing it, "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”

[Clintonista2]

23. Kill the bill. Send the message that the left wing of the party can fight just as hard as the right

They need to start taking the left as seriously as they take the right.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

25. soo, the left should kill it just so that the right can see the left has the will

to fight just as hard for what the right want to happen?

[Clintonista2]

26. The left should kill it so the democratic leadership will see that they wont take it lying down

anymore

[Bodhi BloodWave]

28. the left would still have done exactly what the right wants to happen tho

so in the end its the Rightwingers who would have won with its defeat, not the left.

I find it a premature action to want to kill the bill before it has been into conference since much can change there

[Clintonista2]

29. The right wants it to die FOREVER. I think we should kill the current bill and start from scratch

[Bodhi BloodWave]

32. the question then would be, when would it be brought up again

its not gonna happen in the next few years if it gets killed, and since its predicted that the republicans will take some seats during upcoming elections(but not enough to take the senate or house) means that the democratic numbers would lower and thus have less pull.

Also from reading history, whenever a new bill comes, it would be less ambitious then this one originally was. Besides, i see it as wiser to add the restrictions and such this puts on the insurance companies then let them run over everybody at will and with no regulations; its also in my eyes wiser to have a solid base to build upon rather then to scrap everything and start back on square one.

The only way killing the bill and reintroducing it would be a viable tactic is if you have some way to suddently make the house and senate a *bleep*uva lot more progreesive/liberal, and thats just not gonna happen in the near future

[donco6]

24. Kill the bill. But it's too valuable to insurance, so it's a lock

[PBS Poll-435]

27. 56-56.

Interesting...