STOP IT!

[AuntPatsy]

Yes we can.....

Key word...."we"...not Obama....

He did not say Only Obama can..


He ran on Yes "we" can...

Just who did you think "we" meant when you voted for him?

The bottom line is that he is not a stupid man our president..he knew then, and he knows now how it was in DC and yet he took that office anyway...

There must have been a reason that he put not only himself but his loved ones in harms way and it was putting them in harms way as proof of his and his loved ones having the most threats than any other president and family in recent history directed at not only himself but those he obviously loves more than life itself...

I am sick and tired of seeing the bashing President Obama threads going on here constantly, if your freeper doing it, get over yourselves, we are in the same boat regardless of the fact that you might wish to throw some of us out in order to save yourselves...attempting to ensure a republican win is so self defeating in all of our cases that it is unimaginable to myself that you even have a slight faith in that particular party...

After, bush, bush, reagan and nixon have proven, republicans do NOT care about the little people, they have used religious leaders to incite the foolish behavior and media rightwingedtooledpundits to help them to get your inner prejudices flowing to such a degree that voting against your best interests is seen to be a normal every day occurrence and not one worth even questioning...

Wake up all of you and "stop it"

if we are to ensure we don't find ourselves at the bottom of some deep trench do to overflowing than we must work together to find a way to keep our small craft full of bodies afloat long enough to ensure we reach the other shore.....

So stop it all of you..

It is not ONE persons fault, it is a body of individuals that are the enemy of the people, and ideology from these individuals that amounts to them believing that casualties are necessary to ensure they remain safely tucked away in the biggest yachts available, the kind that is in no danger of sinking and they have no desire to increase the odds of themselves sinking by allowing you or I to come aboard their yachts and cause it to become dangerously over crowded enough that it will surely sink...

If we are to ensure change occurs we must realize that that change must help all citizens of this country and not just touch your personal life, and yes, even those you might not particularly care for be it because of having to do with prejudices toward ethnicity, religious views, personal lifestyles etc

that you feel them unworthy of being on the same ship as you are is downright foolish, like it or not, you will never get aboard that richly embossed yacht of those you feel have your best interests at heart, they don't, no one knows more than you yourself what you need in this life to ensure a fairly moderate but satisfying life while you walk this earth and the truth is, it is not your local politician, it is not your local religious leader, it is not your local grocery store clerk but you, so how in the world can you believe yourselves capable of deciding the fate of your neighbor any more than your neighbor should hold in his or her hands the capability of deciding your fate?

They cannot, nor can you, if you really care about this country and it's future, study, read, do research, history and present day politics and or the history of just simply modern every day life be it in the present or past...

Many of us continue making the same mistakes, and we will continue making the same mistakes if we allow ourselves to be led around by the nose by others, who claim to care enough about our personal lives that they will read the papers they want you to sign, they will decide for you what to eat, what to wear, what to buy, they believe you incapable, do you see yourselves as incapable and foolishly inept as they see you?

If not, prove them wrong, become stronger, and the only way to become stronger is to quit remaining uneducated and unaware of the facts...quit relying on others to explain those facts to you...always assume they do not have your best interest at heart..always assume that because more than not it is true...

And lastly, I may think differently than you, but if you are not of the top one percent of this country than we are in the same boat and the more you or I rock it by fighting among each other the more likely it is that we will surely sink to the bottom forever gone...or we can work together to ensure we remain afloat, its up to you....all of you...

Not one man

[NJmaverick]

1. You're right, even if you are not saying what many want to hear

[AuntPatsy]

12. I haven't been to Jersey in years, be careful in all that snow..

Its hard for people to face it you know? Face the fact that it is impossible to know everything...some like to pretend they don't need to learn more but the simple truth is, the homeless man on the corner teaches us something...too many times we ignore our teachers at our own peril.

[NJmaverick]

15. I'm hoping to stay in and stay warm and cozy, thanks

[secondwind]

2. K&R...

And we have two Dem. Senators that are on borrowed time: LAUTENBERG and BYRD.

[AuntPatsy]

14. Exactly, our work is never done, if we want change, we need to work for it..we..

[madamesilverspurs]

101. Concur. "We."

I posted this in response to another thread a couple of days ago:

For the present, I am exceedingly gratified that we have a President who is not likely to ever, under any circumstances, refer to the Constitution as "just a damn piece of paper". We've paid a terrible price for the impetuous tantrum that was the Bush presidency. Our national healing is going to be a long process, not a momentary event. Obama knew it would be an arduous task, but I'll bet he thought that the worst opposition would come from Republicans; I join him in the profound disappointment of learning otherwise.


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[angee_is_mad]

3. Kick

there are some so-call progressives and trolls who have been waiting for this moment.
Just look at all the new posters. There are even people with high posts who claim a few days ago about how hard they worked and believed in Obama and now say they never supported him and they knew he was going to do something like this. Guess they forgot what they posted a couple of days ago.

For all those people, I watching you and I'm outing YOU!

[AuntPatsy]

17. Far too many, I am with you but its okay you know? Perhaps we can learn to work together some day

that is if we can stop hating each other for a moment in order to get the work done..I for one have a hard time forgiving, but for the moment, I can work with someone I might not exactly like or admire based on his or her voting record and I don't have to understand them, but perhaps, I can try and perhaps they can learn to understand me, and maybe one day, we won't dislike each other any longer..

[angee_is_mad]

25. that's sweet

but the main purpose of people on here is to get Obama out of office as quickly as possible.

[Milo_Bloom]

4. However, It only takes one man to UNDERMINE us

and he has been doing a great job of it.

It is a complete failure of leadership.

[truedelphi]

8. + 166,000,000,000 The amount of penalties that We The People

Will pay for not putting up with Mafia-style mandates for "Insurance Protection."

The penalties will be due from any who cannot afford this ridiculous scam -- or who are smart enough to udnerstand that it is a scam and refuse to pay.

They will start in 2013 and will total 166,000,000,000 by the end of 2019.

[AuntPatsy]

11. If you believe one man is responsible, I am sorry to say this but your just not informed enough..

I am honestly not being condescending..I swear I am not.

[Milo_Bloom]

13. One man undermined us.

One man chose to make "bi-partisanship" the solution to everything.

One man chooses the message.

One man has the power to speak out and stop the insanity.

To think otherwise is either to not give the one man with the bully pulpit enough credit and enough of the blame.

I know it is an inconvenient truth and gets in the way of the hero worship that goes on around here, but one man had the power to speak out and chose to keep his mouth shut and allowed the people to get railroaded several times already while telling us all is well.

[AuntPatsy]

20. I hope you can agree to disagree, I for one feel alot more is in play regarding

our nations white house occupants, who exactly runs things I don't know but I don't believe the president is as powerful as he might once have been, its more of an illusion in order to ensure we are looking in the wrong direction for the real culprits, and I use the plural, no one person can ensure so much power remains so steady...

[Milo_Bloom]

27. It is a very sad view, if true.

To suggest that we elect a president who has basically no say in his/her own message means there is no point in voting anymore, since things are done outside the will and control of the people.

The president has a bully pulpit, he has the power to address the people and declare "enough is enough" whenever he chooses. Is it a risk? Yes. Could it backfire? Sure. However, if bushII and Reagan taught us nothing else, it should be that you can get the people fighting on your side by having the appearance to be the little guy standing up against forces trying to undermine you. They played the "I don't care if it is popular, I am doing it because it is right" card many times and usually, wound up making the thing popular because of it.

At the end of the day the president either choose to let the job run him/her or to run the job. Right now, Obama is letting the job run him and has been from day 1. He lies to us announcing "historic" legislation which isn't a fraction of what he claims it to be. The credit card "reform" bill was a joke. "Banking reform" a joke. this "insurance reform" is at best, a cruel joke.

I believe Obama can think for himself and out of fear of re-election is not doing so.

[treestar]

32. No one said he had no say

But he's not the messiah.

[Milo_Bloom]

41. You don't have to be a messiah to speak out.

Howard Dean isn't the messiah, but he has enough courage to break with "the party" and say what he really believes.

Obama HAD the people behind him and could have had nearly limitless political capital if the people continued to believe he was working in their best interets and felt that he was different... that is why many people elected him.

Frankly, I expected him to be the Reagan for the democrats, making BOLD moves, appealing to the public to help him fight the washington politics... but he didn't do that... he has done exactly the opposite. He has embraced washington politics and allowed barely luke warm legislation to pass that he declares "groundbreaking". Unfortunately, people aren't that stupid.

If Obama had declared early on, "these are the key points of health care legislation and don't bother bringing it to my desk unless these points are in it", you would see a different game being played. If he took control of the debate from day 1, we would be in a different position.

He didn't. He hasn't LED.

[treestar]

42. Dean isn't the President

And the President has to work on all the issues not just one. He did speak out, but that is just dismissed as hot air.

A lot of DUers think they know how to do the job of President better, but I don't think I put much stake in their opinions. It would be dangerous to veto the bill just because it doesn't have everything in it. It would allow the Repukes to point to failure, and the M$M would go to town. Progressives would still be mad, IMO, that would not be enough for them either.

[Milo_Bloom]

46. Leaders don't play from a position of FEAR

which is exactly what you are saying Obama is doing.

He is not doing what is right because of what the repukes will do or the media will say.

Obama speaking out is "it would be nice if there was a public option, but it is not essential". That's not LEADERSHIP.

So far I have not seen real leadship on ONE SINGLE ISSUE.

[treestar]

48. I'm not sure I can judge that as other are

There are a lot of issues. There are people with separate power (that's good). No one defines "lead." Obama is leading the executive branch and that's what the POTUS is supposed to do. You're using "lead" to mean persuade, pressure, bully. For all that, we don't know whether Obama has threatened Lieberman and the others or not, but they will go with what they think their constituents want. They come from states.

What a coincidence that not one single issue has worked out for you. That's terrible.

[Milo_Bloom]

64. The issues haven't worked out due to failure of leadership.

Banking reform.. failure.

Credit card reform.. failure.

Health care reform.. failure.

This is all from the top down, as Obama failed to impact the debate in any signficant way.

When Reagan wanted something, he went on TV and made a direct appeal to the people. When idiot son wanted something he screamed, yelled, publically threatened and did whatever was necessary. Obama seems afraid to take a chance.. to stick his neck out for something he believes in.

This isn't not working out for me... none of these issues actually have a significant effect on me. However, they have a negative impact on this country and the people in it. Ya know what is funny, this idiotic health care bill actually works to my personal advantage b/c I run a corporation and I can funnel my own health insurance through the corporation, write off the premiums AND get government assistance to do it. The credit card bill had no effect on me, nor did their failure to regulate wall street.. in fact, my friend owns a financial company and can make me tons of money from naked puts, which should have been outlawed, but weren't. This isn't about me personally, it is about the future of this country and the rest of the people in it.

Banks and credit card companies can continue to take advantage of the middle and lower class. Health care companies are the new oil companies and have a stranglehold on a resource that everyone needs and can use every trick in the book to maximize profits.

Either Obama is stupid in not realizing how bad and damaging the legislation he has helped pass is... OR... he is more interested in doing something, no matter how useless, just for the sake of doing something. There really is no other answer. I don't believe he is stupid, which means he is operating out of fear that doing something is better than taking a risk.

[Fire1]

55. That is utter crap. He NEVER told us "all is well." Quite the

contrary. He said, it won't be easy and some things won't get done in a year or even the first term. People keep bringing up, poor leadership and kept his mouth shut but nobody seems to know what he should've said or done that would have changed what the pseudo democrats and obstructionist republicans have done throughout this HCR ordeal!

Most of us knew he wasn't a progressive and most of us are realistic enough to acknowledge that a progressive will NEVER be elected president! Ask Howard Dean how that worked out. No, this bill isn't perfect and the dem senators and reps know that too but they are looking at the big picture. Letting the bill LIVE so that we may fight another day!

[Milo_Bloom]

65. Everyone knows what he should have said and done.

It has been repeated here and on the radio and TV over and over again.

It was actually fairly simple. Lay out the critical parts of the plan and threaten to veto anything that doesn't have those parts. Take the case to the people, who were actually on the side of what he CLAIMED he wanted.

Don't make side deals with big pharama and insurance companies that screw us in the short and long run.

But, this was lost before it even started because after the banking reform failure and the credit card reform failure, people couldn't take Obama seriously anymore and the senators weren't afraid of him and his popularity anymore.

THAT is a failure of leadership.

[Fire1]

68. And over and over again you folks fail to understand that if

he vetoes the bill, it may not be enacted at all OR that congress can override the veto!

edit to add: I'm sure the former would be more to your liking but I'd rather START with SOMETHING and expound than try to revive something for decades to come.

[Milo_Bloom]

73. You didn't read very carefully, did you?

What I said was that at the beginning of the debate, he should have met with congressional leaders and laid out the necessary elements that comprise this plan and then gone public with those elements and threatened veto if the bill was not satisfactory.

This is where his failure to lead comes in.

He never publicly did anything of the sort... in fact, he did the opposite, making it clear that he wanted to pass SOMETHING and didn't really care what was in it.

This is why it is a miserable failure.

[Fire1]

75. Oh get real. He most certainly DID come to the public on

any number of occasions and "threaten" to veto any bill that did not include a public option and look what happened. Grandstanding by pseudo dems and obstructionist despite the calls, letters and e-mails to the contrary. Congress is well aware of their power and they would have used it and he knows it. Under these circumstances, he's lucky to get ANYTHING through.

[Milo_Bloom]

80. LMAO!

"any number of occasions and "threaten" to veto any bill that did not include a public option and look what happened."

Are these the lies you are telling yourself?

No wonder this party is F'd, the cheerleaders make stuff up to convince themselves all is well.

[Fire1]

81. No, YOU are either lying or haven't been paying attention. n/t

[Milo_Bloom]

82. Yeah.. keep telling yourself that.

I love the part where Obama threatened veto if the bill didn't have a public option...

tell that part again, so I can LMAO some more.

[Fire1]

84. Don't take my word for it. Look in the archives of his speeches.

[Milo_Bloom]

85. LMAO!!!

Just as I thought.

You have become as useless as the one you cheerlead for... welcome to the ignore list.

[Fire1]

87. I'm all shook up. n/t

[Bodhi BloodWave]

92. Enjoy being blind don't ya, and obviously can't handle truth from what your earlier posts in

this thread shows

[Milo_Bloom]

108. No use talking to people who make claims they can't back up.

[angee_is_mad]

86. and hillary wasn't neither

just because you are woman doesn't make you a progressive. Look at her voting record when she was in the senate. Just because you are black doesn't make you a liberal.

Obama might not be a progressive, but he sure as hell isn't a bluedog.

After his appearance in 2004 at the convention the dlc hurried up and put him up on their website and he hurried up and told them to take that shit down. They must have gotten him confused with harold ford. You know all black folks like alike.

[okieinpain]

67. uh what's wrong with bi-partisanship. remember we had 8 years of

partisanship and no one around here liked it much.

[Milo_Bloom]

74. What is wrong with it?

Check out the banking "reform", credit card "reform" and health care "reform" for your answer.

[dionysus]

110. holy melodrama shakespeare...

:rofl:

[HughMoran]

59. If that is what you think

...all I can do is put you on ignore.

There's no hope for people like you.

[Milo_Bloom]

66. There is no HOPE left, since it undermined us.

[mcablue]

5. One of your statements is not supported by evidence

You said, "he knew then, and he knows now how it was in DC."

If he knew how it was in DC, why did he promise that the bill he would sign would contain a public option? Why didn't he tell us how difficult it would be to pass a public option in DC? He said he supported drug re-importation. Why didn't he tell us how hard it was to pass drug reimportation in DC? It was so hard that both the Dorgan and Lautenberg reimportation amendments failed.

Either he knew and didn't tell us, or he didn't know at all.

[AuntPatsy]

21. I think that he thought at the time it was a possibility, mind you, its my opinion...

I think he thought he could make a difference, I even believe some told him he could..I think the real power players took him into a private room once he was sworn in..no conspiracy there,, its not such a stretch you know....

[CoffeeCat]

6. No YOU stop it!!!!

Stop insulting people who are only fighting to regain our democracy!

Who in the hell doesn't know that it's not ONE MAN? Do you think we're stupid...just lazing
around the house with a bowl of Velveeta dip, waiting for a politician to change out lives?

You're talking to activists here...people who have been Democrats for decades. People who trudged
their asses through two feet of snow--trying to get people to vote for Obama--because he promised
that he would be a leader who would CHANGE THINGS. He said he was for the public option! He
criticized Hillary Clinton's healthcare plan because of the mandates it contained. He also
said he would reinstate Habeas Corpus. In fact, Obama promised me that he would reinstate
Habeas--when he called to ask me to BE A PRECINCT CAPTAIN FOR HIM.

Spare me your insults and your bizarre conclusions. We voted for change. When we said we
wanted to end the Iraq war, we didn't mean for him to end Iraq and then fund and cheerlead
us into another full-blown war. We didn't vote for someone to seamlessly continue the corruption.
Now we're watching Obama cater to the banks, to Wall Street, to big Pharma--and now the health-insurance industry a
is having their way with us!!

We voted to end the corporate corruption!! We voted to put this country on the right track!! We did not
vote for this sickening agenda...and Barack Obama damn well knows that!

Yes, we did not expect ONE MAN to change it all!! However, we did expect him to *AT LEAST* keep his promises
and LEAD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION!!!

It's the same corruption, the same corporate influence, the same malarkey all over again. You'd have to dumb
as a box of rocks, or really ignorant--to not be outraged.

And all of you Obama sycophants. YOU are the whiners! "Oh..boo hoo! You're speaking bad about my guy!" Screw
that. This guy has gone in the opposite direction of what he promised...at a time when our entire democracy is
at stake! So, spare me your, "Quit saying bad things about the President!" crap! Do you want to save this country
OR NOT? Then, get the frickin stars out of your eyes and quit acting like swooning groupies. He's the President
of the United States--not one of the Jonas Brothers!

ONE MAN promised to lead this country in the right direction---AND HE IS NOT! Deal with the disgust and outrage,
because it's valid and it's essential if we ever want to get this country back again.

So sick of you whiners who have the audacity to criticize those of us who fight to end the corruption and the
crime syndicate that is destroying this country.

[MissDeeds]

23. + 100

Great rant! I agree.

[AuntPatsy]

24. Insulting? Can you explain to me how it is insulting to believe we should work together

and quit allowing the media and false voices to tell us who our enemies are and who aren't? I honestly felt insulted by the continued nonsense of believing one man capable of having so much power especially in this day and age...common sense alone should tell us all of how impossible that is.

[JVS]

29. +1

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[katandmoon]

70. A-FUCKING-MEN!!!!!!!!

[AndrewP]

78. +1 Amen

[Joe Bacon]

88. +1,000,000,000,000,000!

I only wish I could recommend this comment more! :yourock:

[Zenlitened]

90. .

:applause:

[mochajava666]

99. Thank You

[dionysus]

111. typing tantrums in all caps on a message board isn't activism.

:shrug:

[KansasVoter]

7. YES WE CAN.....was a campaign slogan! And WE KICKED ASS getting him elected.

How he needs to do his part.

I have called congress and house members 123 times.

I need him to do what he promised. Change the way Washington works!

[NJmaverick]

22. "We"= "the President"?

:shrug:

I thought we were all suppose to be working

[treestar]

33. every new Dem President thinks they can do that

Reality then hits them in the face. Still, Washington at least is back going by the rule of law and that's a good thing. Some here are really demanding that it stay the same just in reverse. Obama the Decider.

[whosinpower]

9. The unreccer's are out in full force

I agree with you, BTW. The misguided sense of empowerment through cynicism is appalling here right now. I am sure freepers have the popcorn out and are claiming dem's are eating their own....just like we did not so long ago.

[silverweb]

10. Absolutely right.

:kick:

[angee_is_mad]

16. AuntPatsy don't waste your time

Anti-Obama bashers have taken over DU and this is no longer the place for people who support the President.

Of course they will try to pretty it up and finesse it but they want him gone. Period.

of course it's not personal. It never is.

[CoffeeCat]

26. You're so totally wrong...so wrong.

This country is on the brink of losing its democracy. That became apparent under Bush. We've got
a government that is bought and paid for--by the corporations. The corporations are running the show
and our elected officials are ignoring their constituents and catering to the corporations.

I CARE about this being eradicated! I care about this ending!

Obama said he would end it!! He's not...he's continuing what Bush did. He's catered to Wall
Street and the banks. Obama's meetings with big Pharma are well known and he's been influential
in urging the Congress to make sure that we can't get drugs from Canada. Now, his influence with
big insurance is being revealed. George Bush lobbied aggressively to privatize social security. He
went on the road, spoke everywhere and even went so far as to keep protesters out of those meetings
so he could privatize social security. Bush and his gang of thugs worked day and night. Obama hasn't
put in 1/10th of the effort into healthcare--that Bush did on Social Security. He's not even trying!
He's not LEADING!

You're right...it's not personal. For me restoring our democracy and implementing meaningful healthcare
reforms are about POLICIES. Obama PROMISED us that he would do these things.

For me------it's about his POLICIES. I could care less about personalities.

I was a precinct captain for Obama. I trudged through snow to get votes, made phone calls and wrote
speeches. It was NEVER personal for me when I was doing all of that. I did all of that--not for
Obama, not for one person---but because Obama said he would end the corruption and instill a public
option.

Many of you cannot extricate yourselves from the cult of personality. You LOVE Obama, so you think
that those who do not support him--hate him. Couldn't be farther from the truth. It was never
about Obama, EVER--in my mind.

It was about changing the direction of this country.

[angee_is_mad]

34. Whatever

next...

[Zenlitened]

95. You are such an unbelievable douchebag.

[asdjrocky]

76. I absolutely understand your anger.

It seems many here will always be willing ot put on blinders.

Rest assured, anyone that would respond to you with a "whatever" has never put in the hours or the heart that you have.

I was a precinct captain in two states, not for Obama but for Edwards, so I can understand the work you put in, and you have every right and reason to feel the way you do.

Peace.

[AndrewP]

79. I know exactly what you mean

We'll just never really get that message to the cheerleaders. So be it. It's about being a progressive, not being a person's fan no matter what.

[Armstead]

18. If he were acting on our behalf I'd agree

I feel like there has been no back up for a basic reform that most people wanted and worked hard for.

Obama helped to defeat that, eitehr by passivity or active involvement.

I don't blame him for everything, but he is letting us down as a leader. We elect these people to be our repreentatives.

[democrat2thecore]

19. Obama HIMSELF told us to "remind him"

I was at a rally in Des Moines when then candidate Obama said he was only human and there would probably be times when the spell of Washington would cast a glaze over his eyes and he might need a kick in the pants. He said the campaign was about the PEOPLE and when that happens - remind him who elected him. We're simply doing what he told us to do.

[madmom]

40. You beat me to it, that's what I was going to remind people of. Obama did tell

us to MAKE him do it. How else to we hold their feet to the fire without making noise?

[katandmoon]

71. It's too bad he didn't mean it, but it's now obvious that he didn't.

[Hekate]

28. KnR, Aunt Patsy. Too bad you've been Unrecced. nt

[angee_is_mad]

31. any post that has a tint of support for POTUS

is going down on this site.

Talk about the democratic party being an open tent.

Well at least I have something to talk about at the beauty salon next about how the progressives are trying to make Obama a one term president.

[Fire1]

62. fortunately, the progressives are a small percentage. n/t

[Zenlitened]

91. Holyfuckincow. I mean just jesusmutherfuckinchrist.

"fortunately, the progressives are a small percentage" of the Democratic Party?

:wow:

What universe is this?

[billh58]

100. +100 n/t

[asdjrocky]

103. They are going to find out how small we are.

[treestar]

30. Yes, the work did not end on election day

I hound my Senator to vote for the President's health plan. Even if he refuses, he knows someone (and hopefully others) want him to and will hold his feet to the fire over his amendments and other crap. I agree with the President, not that Blue Dog. I will let Blue Dog know every day of his life.

[FrenchieCat]

35. I Rec'ed you OP, but it did not help.........

those who don't want to see progress, unless it is a giant leap for mankind.....
which wasn't gonna happen no way.

[Deja Q]

37. Same here

[Deja Q]

36. Let's see what gets signed or vetoed first.

After all, rapists usually don't say "You have to fight me" while he whips out his mighty 2-incher...

[RetroLounge]

109. I'm SO happy you are TS'd

You are such a (small) Dick

RL

[freddie mertz]

38. Problem is, Obama lied to us. Used us. Then trashed us.

Sent out e-mails asking us to back him up, defend policies he himself was not willing to lift a finger to defend.

I haven't shifted in my politics one inch. It is Obama that pushed me away.

Don't like it? Then talk to HIM about it, and stop trashing your fellow citizens for trying to hold him to his word.

[FrenchieCat]

39. Obama didn't lie to you; you lied to yourself.

You are being used, and you are trashing him and those who support some progress,
as opposed to the Republican supported status quo.

[freddie mertz]

49. Wrong. He said any bill he would sign "must" include a public option.

Where is that exactly?

He said he would not tax health benefits.

Where is that?

[Bodhi BloodWave]

93. you are aware the bill hasn't entered conference yet yes? n/t

[Ildem09]

53. again

I think the progressive movement can see the difference between Obama the person and his policies i like the person i do not like his policies.

[treestar]

43. LOL. I'm starting to want to hear the President's side of things

He might do a better job than we can do here.

But your claims are so outrageous they need no defense. Just :popcorn:

[Name removed]

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[Top Cat]

61. Obama did not lie too you... If anyone lied you heard what you wanted to.

He said from the beginning that Change was not going to be easy and it's only been a year so what's the real problem here?

[freddie mertz]

94. What is wrong is a mandate without competition or price controls.

[TheKentuckian]

98. This is the crucial point

Anyone that can support a mandate devoid of choice or cost controls is about patently insane. It can't be defended, there is no benefit to the people, and it is highly dangerous to self determination in a free society.

Such a monter should never be signed not for anything. Not until the will to actually regulate and provide oversight over insurance and not until the steel is in the spine to say that every American will be able to choose within a regulated framwork the policy that works for them.

[ncteechur]

45. Great post.

All these Obama complainers think they know what is going on. They haven't got a clue. They see one piece of a huge puzzle and think they can see the entire thing. They don't see shit. Let the man do his job. In three more years you can decide to vote for him or take your vote elsewhere. But that is then and now is now.

[LooseWilly]

50. If the key word is "we", then why won't Obama return my phone calls?

[JamesA1102]

51. Well said nt

[babylonsister]

52. Rec'd! Nice! nt

[Number23]

56. Rec'd. Thank you for this.

[Phx_Dem]

58. Good post Aunt Patsy!

:toast:

[cali]

60. do you feel better now? good. because you sure as shit haven't

changed anyone's mind with your tantrum.

[AuntPatsy]

104. Not sure what your attempting to imply, but I appreciate your giving this

thread a push, not alot of time these days to respond and I hope to respond to more soon, but I think I believe that you might just have been attempting to do me a favor believing that telling me in effect that I was wasting my time in writing this op that it won't do much good? I assume that was your intent and I guess you would know since you yourself have tried numerous times through the years to attempt to change peoples minds and at times have failed..

But since you have yet to stop attempting to change peoples minds I am curious why should I?

Oh and this was not a tantrum dear, more of an observation from reading of which I do more so because of my lack of time for more particpation...

But again, thank you for helping to kick my message up..appreciate it I promise..

[Wardoc]

63. I'm sorry, but no. Obama completely sold us out and everyone knows it. He is a President, not...

...a monarch. Respect for him is indexed to his performance for us, it is not simply given by default.

[Raine]

69. I thought that "we" meant him and us

I guess it just mean "we" are on our own and the "we" he meant is him and the corporations. :-(

[shadesofgray]

72. What the hell do you mean by this:

If we are to ensure change occurs we must realize that that change must help all citizens of this country and not just touch your personal life, and yes, even those you might not particularly care for be it because of having to do with prejudices toward ethnicity, religious views, personal lifestyles etc

that you feel them unworthy of being on the same ship as you are is downright foolish, like it or not, you will never get aboard that richly embossed yacht of those you feel have your best interests at heart, they don't, no one knows more than you yourself what you need in this life to ensure a fairly moderate but satisfying life while you walk this earth and the truth is, it is not your local politician, it is not your local religious leader, it is not your local grocery store clerk but you, so how in the world can you believe yourselves capable of deciding the fate of your neighbor any more than your neighbor should hold in his or her hands the capability of deciding your fate?

Who are you even talking to?!?

[asdjrocky]

77. You're scolding the wrong people.

We are the worker bees, go talk to Obama and his ultra-elite friends, maybe they'll throw us a bone so us irational liberals will just shut up.

Fuck that, there is a reason for our anger. I've protested and agitated all of my life, I don't turn off when there is a Democrat in office, and what is right and wrong does not change when the Democrats have a majority.

Right is right, and wrong is still wrong.

[AuntPatsy]

105. I am honestly not trying to scold adults...I have anger as well I can promise you...

but what I see here that has me bothered is the push to ensure no one votes for a dem in 12 if president Obama once again gets the nomination, to say that is defeating at this point considering our options is putting it midly...the fact is, anger is good, outrage even better, a push so that those we elected hear our voices of outrage, of the utmost importance..

But the push to not vote is not only counter productive but a sure fire way to have yet another republican in office and before another says it, I am not talking "republican lite" spelling is accurate for lite but I am talking about heavy duty republican leadership and anyone aiding for such an event to occur is in my humble opinion, not thinking very clearly....

[NYC_SKP]

83. Bitter, uninformed, reactionary, not in their happy place... and sometimes mean.

Not a single one has read the bill.

I'm with you, recommended.

[Egnever]

102. Not a single one

And not one of them could point out the supossed huge give aways to the insurance companies if they wanted to.

[Hutzpa]

89. wow

If not, prove them wrong, become stronger, and the only way to become stronger is to quit remaining uneducated and unaware of the facts...quit relying on others to explain those facts to you...always assume they do not have your best interest at heart..always assume that because more than not it is true...

Hope some will adhere to those values you so well stated, if they do then we can have a positive
discussion on here, but I'm not betting my bottom dollar on it though, not where the top 1% are
involved.

Pleasant reading, Thank you.

:thumbsup:

[Undercurrent]

96. Great OP.

I hope you don't feel too battered by those who would rather attack and tear our party apart, than work to make it better.

We are the melting pot party. THE big tent party. Our diversity is our best asset, but it also means we need to practice more tolerance than the Repugs.

[LWolf]

97. 1. No. 2. Please don't shout at me. It won't help. nt

[EFerrari]

106. I'm not upset with this government because I'm uninformed, thanks. n/t

[ProgressOnTheMove]

107. YES, Pres. Obama can only help us as much as folks are prepared to help themselves his only back up

is the people if we're not there yes he'll follow the corporate line because they have such a strangle hold on DC. Only the noise that everyone make can change that. The right wing never stops, never sleeps to get their message out there so that takes a lifelong commitment and all the determination we have inside us.