Hillary for VP?

[SunDrop23]

as in joe biden steps aside and we run hillary as vp.

thoughts?

[CakeGrrl]

1. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Why do people want to push Joe aside?

All the bitching going on is nothing that removing Biden will solve.

But enough trying to rebut something that's not going to happen. Obama asked Biden, Biden accepted. End of story.

[lunasun]

8. Clinton no way -Look at the pipline she is backing & read her words from 2010

On Friday, eleven senators sent a letter to Clinton urging the DOS to consider several new environmental factors in its assessment, including the threat posed by the pipeline to key neighboring populations and ecologically sensitive areas, and the overall effect it might have on emissions derived from transportation in the United States. "Tar sands is dirty oil," said the senators in their letter. "Approval of this pipeline will significantly increase our dependence on this oil for decades."

For her part, Secretary Clinton has pointed out that the oil meets a need that the country is currently unprepared to do without—taking the opportunity to blame Congress for its inability to pass cap and trade legislation, which would use market forces to incentivize the replacement of dirty energy sources like tar sands. "We're either going to be dependent on dirty oil from the Gulf or dirty oil from Canada," the Secretary said in defending her position last month.

http://www.hybridcars.com/news/senators-push-back-proposed-tar-sands-pipeline-28853.html



No way I like Biden and Obama both better than I ever did any Clinton! Plus you would lose some voter union backing with no Biden and also Clinton NAFTA IMO

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. Guaranteed loss if Hillary is on the ticket.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. I recall that she has already said she doesn't want to run

for any elected office. Besides, why would we want to ditch Joe Biden? I don't see how Hillary would be better.

[Historic NY]

3. Where do we get her run..??? We don't run anyone...she is retiring..

to enjoy her grandchildren as she said. Why go for the warm bucket of spit job.

http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-announces-her-departure-2011-3

[Kennah]

5. Well said. Not like one can organize a write-in campaign for V.P. in the Primary.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. Thankfully.

[Tx4obama]

4. President Obam has already asked Joe to run with him, and Joe said yes.

Why do folks keep talking about Hillary for VP?

She wants to retire and have time with her family and future grandkids.

[bowens43]

6. it's not biden we need to replace......

[juajen]

7. Have you hard the talk about Howard Schultz? Interesting. NT

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. So says you, but thank goodness you don't make decisions for the rest of us.

74% is damn good, considering Bill Clinton only had 57% re-election numbers. Deal with it! :hi:

[bigdarryl]

10. Hillary is a WAR HAWK she was in favor of the 30,000 troop increase in Afghanistan

and Vice President Biden was against it why on earth would the progressives want to make that switch Hillary is to the right of Obama if you can believe that BUT ITS TRUE!! I heard this stupid talk on The Power Joe Madison's show last week and a lot of stupid people calling in talking crazy that Obama should take Hillary for VP in 2012 so she has a shot in 2016 she would be close to 70 years old people are so STUPID these days

[ClarkUSA]

17. Actually, Hillary wanted an 80,000 troop increase for 10+ yrs. along with Gen. McCrystal.

She also wanted to withdraw as few troops as possible as slowly as possible - siding with Gates this time - in the debate over drawing down combat troops in Afghanistan.

Just imagine if she was president instead of Obama....

[bigdarryl]

19. DAMN!!! see what I mean

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. Exactly why we don't need Hillary the warmonger. She can't retire soon enough!

[Exilednight]

11. She doesn't need to run, Obama enacted all her policies. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

18. Wrong. See Reply #10 and #17. Pres. Obama also rejected her wishes re: Afghanistan troop drawdown.

[Exilednight]

23. HCR, FinReg and almost any other domestic policy is Hillary's. After the primaries, Obama replaced

his entire economic team with Hillary's. He passed her HCR bill and a whole slew of other positions held by Hillary.

[ClarkUSA]

26. That is ridiculous, given her failure to win the primary, much less pass HCR in the 90's.

[Exilednight]

28. Who campaigned on mandates? Who enacted mandates? n/t

[ClarkUSA]

30. Mitt Romney (after his Democratic legislature wrote the legislation)

[Exilednight]

32. I'm talking about in the Democratic primary. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

34. So what? Who got it passed? The idea of a mandate didn't start with Hillary.

That idea predates RomneyCare.

[Exilednight]

35. And Obama's final bill was patterned after Hillary Care. And the point is simple

he argued that mandates would not be part of the solution, and he was right. Mandates have done nothing to bring down cost. But he enacted them anyway.

[ClarkUSA]

36. Prove your claims. Edwards' plan had a mandate, too, but one aspect does not a pattern make.

[Exilednight]

37. Alright, this is simple

Look at the list of Hillary's economic advisers during the primary, then look at Obama's list of economic advisers during the general. How many of those names are the same.

Which candidate had a, and I paraphrase here, "I will talk to any leader at any time" foreign policy during the primary, and which candidate had, and, again, I paraphrase here, "the president should not talk with hostile nations". Which foreign policy practice has Obama practiced? I haven't seen him meet with any "hostile" leaders, but he did appoint Hillary as his SoS.

[ClarkUSA]

39. That's more ridiculous rhetoric without a shred of legislative proof that backs your claim.

[Exilednight]

40. Policies and actions are more than legislative. Keep backpedaling. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

41. LOL! Your rhetoric is as empty as your logic.

[Exilednight]

42. You can't legislate meeting with world leaders. You getting calf cramps yet:? n/t

[ClarkUSA]

43. Moving the goalpost? How predictable.

[Exilednight]

44. Not at all. I stated that Obama enacted her policies. Your calfs must be bulging by now. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

45. Prove it. You have yet to prove even one of your rhetorical claims.

[Exilednight]

46. Has Obama offered to openly meet with leader of Iran or North Korea, or did he send

Hillary?

[ClarkUSA]

47. Prove your claim that "HCR, FinReg and almost any other domestic policy is Hillary's."

[Exilednight]

48. Try reading Krugman's op-eds. He lays out a pretty convincing argument and

backs it up with facts about how Obama switched economic policy after the primary. HCR is pretty self explanatory - mandates.

You choose to ignore facts, but that's your problem, not mine.

And let's not forget about his foreign policy stance about meeting with nation state leaders.

[ClarkUSA]

49. So you have zero proof. And now you're passing the buck to an op-ed PUMA?

[Exilednight]

50. Krugman's a PUMA? The guy can't stand Hillary, so I don't know you consider him a PUMA. But

anyway, Did HCR have a mandate or not? And what did Obama campaign on? What did Hillary campaign on?

[ClarkUSA]

51. Yup. And you have yet to prove your claim with anything approaching facts.

[Exilednight]

52. Alright, let me break this down for you: Fact 1. Obama campaigned against mandates.

Fact 2. Hillary campaigned for mandates.

Fact 3. Obama signed a bill that had mandates.

Do you dispute any of those facts, and if so which ones and on what grounds?

[ClarkUSA]

53. MA Dem legislature created RomneyCare, which had a mandate, so it wasn't Hillary's brainchild.

You still haven't proven your claim.

[Exilednight]

54. Are any of the facts I posted wrong? Yes or no?

[ClarkUSA]

55. Prove your claim that "HCR, FinReg and almost any other domestic policy is Hillary's."

[Exilednight]

62. Are the facts I posted in post #52 wrong? Yes or No?

[Mr Deltoid]

64. Some folks are colorblind

Others are #52 blind...

[Beacool]

65. Nonsense, Hillary did not lose the primary. The super delegates handed it over to Obama.

This is from an article from the Christian Science Monitor.

If Obama looks as if he’ll lose in 2012, what about Hillary Clinton?
by John Hughes
September 2, 2011

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“In the curious way we elect our presidents – so bemusing to many foreigners – Hillary Rodham Clinton got more of the people’s vote than Obama in the primaries: 18,223,120 to his 18,011,877. Neither candidate received enough delegates from state primary races and caucuses to reach a majority at the party convention, but “superdelegate” votes pushed Obama over the top.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2011/0901/If-Obama-looks-as-if-he-ll-lose-in-2012-what-about-Hillary-Clinton/(page)/2

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[ibegurpard]

12. why?

how is she substantively different policy-wise?

[Mass]

13. Why? I probably would be less supportive of Obama without Biden on the ticket.

[Jennicut]

58. Me too.

I don't want Biden going anywhere.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I Fail To See How It Would Make A Difference

.

[Honeycombe8]

15. Why? What purpose would that serve? nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Is That A Rhetorical Question?

None, nada, zip.

[Honeycombe8]

63. No, it wasn't. The OP perplexed me. Why would anyone think that would be a good idea...

I mean, what purpose in the OP's mind would that serve?

I guess the answer is so obvious that it seemed like a rhetorical question.

[TwilightGardener]

20. Why? So she can convince him to build up troops again in Afghanistan and approve the oil pipeline?

[Phx_Dem]

21. No. We already have an excellent VP.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. Obama would lose more votes than he would gain.

[quitnesset]

22. how about Virg Bernero?

we need someone who can really help Barack grow the economy and be in position to take over in 2016... I like what I see in Virg..http://www.lansingmi.gov/mayor/

[PassingFair]

24. I loved Virg, too. Problem is,

the PTB in the party HATE him.

[Ikonoklast]

25. No more Clintons for *anything*.

Part of the entire reason we are in the mess that we are in is because of those people, and their flunkies in the Democratic Party.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. Bill screwed this country more than his interns. Hillary as VP would only wreak more havoc.

[Beacool]

27. The problem is not the VP.

How about Hillary for president?

Just kidding, around here that's considered blasphemous.

:7

[treestar]

29. I guess it was time for this idea to be recycled.

No thanks. Joe all the way!

[Fearless]

31. More of the same DLC stupidity. No thanks. At least Joe sometimes thinks for himself.

[blkmusclmachine]

33. 6 of one, half a dozen of another:

DLC/Third Way is still DLC/Third Way, regardless of the packaging.

[bigwillq]

38. No (nt)