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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 04:31 PM Original message |
Response to Calling a strong Black Man Weak.....or why Maureen Dowd doesn't know shit! |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. False dichotomy |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Obama is not weak or a poor communicator. Not too many men |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. By your own reasoning, then, Bush is as strong as Obama. n/t |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. You will have to explain your statement if you expect it to make |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Okay |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Like what advantages? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. A private school education, followed by an Ivy League education. I've seen |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. He got in because he and his mother got up at 4:00 in the morning...... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. My argument is that he wasn't disadvantaged. Disadvantaged is when |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Your argument stinks, and it is obvious that you don't know what the term disavantage means...... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Telling me that I sound like a republican says more about you than it does about me. n/t |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Hey......when you want to believe that growing up without your parents |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Considering what many kids go through in their childhood, it's not a biggie. He still had two |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
60. L'Anglais est tres difficile, non? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. Now you leave facts out of this. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 08:03 AM Response to Reply #60 |
79. That term refers to how one starts, not how one ends |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. Take your advice. Here are the two definitions I found. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. False statement....... |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 07:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
67. How does one agree with Dowd, when her initial premises are denied from the start? |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
72. He is not weak and |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
87. He's a very strong communicator. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. "The strength and power of despotism consists wholly in the fear of resistance. " |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
7. It has nothing to do with either of their backgrounds. It has to do |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Well then America is who is weak! |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. Yes, we are. We are weak because we have failed to rise to the challenge of |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
8. Each president is judged |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I see this President being judged on the accomplishments of |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. It makes me |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 05:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
64. In my opinion, the difference between |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 01:57 AM Response to Reply #64 |
78. You must not have been around when Clinton was president. |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-11 04:55 AM Response to Reply #78 |
95. I was around but I still think |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. +1 |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Depends on how you define "priviliged class". He did go to Columbia and Harvard then |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Actually, he got there because he was sent to a preparatory school. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Actually, not everyone that is "sent" to preparatory schools goes anywhere.... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I never said he didn't work hard, but he had the advantage of going to an |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. You have to work hard to get in and stay in. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
91. Just like Bush did? I've known plenty of people who have skated through school and earned degrees |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
56. You have a point! |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 05:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
65. My son went to U. of Chicago and is |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
13. I don't know if weak is the right word, but his constant reaching out to republicans |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. it takes a strong man to take all those hits from every possible direction |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. +1000. Obama's most virulent critics couldn't last a week in his shoes. -nt |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Of course it does...... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Well, you can see it that way......if you so choose. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 04:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
63. The facts support seeing it that way. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. Doppleganger. It explains all of it. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
23. I NEVER considered Monkeyboy a strong man |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. good for you........ |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. FAIL |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. You can pray on that..... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. Isn't that the truth. Obama is coming for the 65 and 66 year olds' medicare. Oh wait, that's good |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. You are so desperate....... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I'm not the one defending bad policy. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
81. very thoughtful post |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
39. People keep trying to project the typical low SES African-American experience onto Obama. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I'm just fascinated how others get to decide what's cushy and what's not. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Given who bush had as a mother |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Well, I'm sure you won't be voting for him, and you'll be working against him...... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
68. Well, I'm sure you don't know what you are talking about. |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #68 |
84. +1 Jake! |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. In some respects you are right. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
49. Why the need for extra modifiers? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Geez ... |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
53. A simple question: would you take this shit from a white guy? |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Thank you. |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Sadly, |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
93. The emperor has no clothes. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
94. Best post I've read on DU in quite some time |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-11-11 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
57. K&R an excellent commentary |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
61. He isn't weak, he is complicit. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 04:55 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Well, Ok then..... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. You don't have to be the devil to be complicit or even objectively evil, just ideologically |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
66. The answer is simple. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Absolutely correct |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
70. Why would your headline read "black man" ? |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. For fun - makes for better flame bait. |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Got it.... |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #73 |
85. Yet, here you are. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #70 |
80. If only that were true |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-12-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
76. Bingo |
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creon (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
82. Consider the source. |
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creon (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
83. I agree |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
86. Kick |
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mcgarry50 (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. obama |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Obama didn't blow it, WE did! |
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wndycty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-13-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. He didn't blow shit |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. well, the Repugs certainly aren't insignificant |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-14-11 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
97. Obama stands strong for his own political agenda. |
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