"Except in cases of rape and incest" - sheer hypocrisy

[question everything]

I think that Nelson repeated this earlier this morning.

And I have to ask: if a cluster of cells is "life" for you, then how can you punish this cluster for the "sins" of the parents? Since when do we "execute" children for the offenses of their parents?

And, if a cluster of cells is so important to you, why don't you go out collecting discarded tampons and sanitary napkins? After all, most pregnancies end in early miscarriages when the women are not even aware of that.

[Skittles]

1. I agree

I have more respect for those who disagree with abortion in all cases than those who make the exceptions - it's a morality thing then - kind of like it's based on whether or not the woman enjoyed the sex :thumbsdown:

[katandmoon]

4. Bingo. That's exactly what it's based on.

[DesertFlower]

2. does he have daughters?

[katandmoon]

5. If he does, the laws he writes for poor women, won't apply to them

[xchrom]

3. Recommend

[sandnsea]

6. I agree with you, but we aren't arguing abortion policy right now

We're trying to pass a health care bill to save lives. I think getting women to the doctor in the first place is the priority right now.

[question everything]

7. I know. But hearing this phrase, again, just irked me (nt)

[bluestateguy]

8. Could lead to some fake rape allegations

And more Duke Lacrosse cases.

[Oregone]

9. Why is abortion even an issue?

Republicans think only slutty liberal girls get abortions and Democrats think only ignorant fundies need em.

Wouldn't both want these fetuses eliminated? Or do they see easy prey?

[pansypoo53219]

10. make sure he has a primary opponent next time.

and work to get his ass retired.

[Garam_Masala]

11. Because it punishes the mother by drastically changing her

future life. Imagine your daughter of 16 or 17 or 18 or 19 or 20 who is going to school
becomes the victim of forcible rape and becomes pregnant. She can no longer
continue her education with high degree of success since she is now tied down to care for
the unwanted baby. She will face harder time attracting a mate with the baggage. She will
be forced to relive the trauma of violent rape every time she sees the kid who might resembles
the attacker.

[question everything]

13. Being forced to carry pregnancy to term is a traumatic experience

for any woman.

This is why many of us here are pro-choice.

I am just pointing to the hypocrisy of the ones who claim that they are "pro-life" but with exceptions.

And, being forced to carry a pregnancy to term does not mean becoming a mother who is now "tied down to care for an unwanted baby." This is where adoption plays a role. And, one hopes, that rape victim will insist on a closed process where that child will never be able to meet her without her prior consent.

[Garam_Masala]

14. I believe in reasonable compromise, and not have an extreme

position on either end of spectrum.

[Username 12]

12. All good Republicans support rape and incest!

Look at the voting records!

[shadesofgray]

15. Because it's never been about embryos for them, no matter what they say.

It's always been about sex, and women having it for recreation rather than for purposes of reproduction.

So-called pro-lifers don't like that idea, so they believe women must pay by getting pregnant.

So if a woman gets raped or is a victim of incest, then she was forced to have sex and they let her off the hook.

And for any pro-lifers here who claim differently, how many unwanted children have YOU adopted?

[question everything]

16. Precisely. I've often thought that had sex were not part of getting pregnant

just an esoteric thought - perhaps getting pregnant would be part of normal development, or taking some kind of treatment - that the vicious objections would disappear.

[Odin2005]

19. +1

[kiva]

17. Exactly!

I vehemently disagree with the 'no abortion for any reason' people, but I respect that their rhetoric is consistent with their beliefs. Saying that abortion is murder - but that it's OK if the father is a rapist - is nothing more than an attempt to make the anti-abortion position seem reasonable.

[question everything]

20. That's a very astute observation

"here, we are reasonable... throwing you a bone."

[Odin2005]

18. I usually see the anti-choicers make shit up about "justifiable homicide".

Which makes absolutely no sense for exactly the reason you point out.

The real reason is far more sinister. Rape victims didn't choose to have sex, so, in the misogynist mind, they don't need to be punished for it by being made to have the kid. It all goes back to misogyny.