Is Rick Perry Barry Goldwater Or Ronald Reagan?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

The latter was able to broaden his appeal beyond the right wing/conservative base which makes up about thirty five percent to forty percent of the electorate. The former wasn't and got trounced.

If I put on the hat of a dispassionate observer and not a partisan I see two theories clashing in the upcoming election if Rick Perry gets the Republican(t) nomination. One theory states that incumbent presidents rarely fare well when running for reelection in crappy economies and the other theory states that presidential candidates who are perceived as out of the mainstream fare poorly when running for president. Examples of the first theory are Jimmy Carter and Bush Pere and examples of the second theory are Barry Goldwater and George McGovern.

All I can say is I shudder for this nation if Rick Perry is elected president. He would not take us back one century but two.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. More like Elmer Gantry.

He'll say anything.

[awoke_in_2003]

25. I was thinking Elmer Fudd. nt

[Vogon_Glory]

2. Neither

I don't think that "Slick Rick" is either one of them. Barry Goldwater might have been the sort of hard-line right-winger of fifty years ago, but whatever else you could say about him, he was ideologically consistent and not personally corrupt. Ronald Reagan was a far more likable fellow with a vision who also had some grubby pals, but you didn't think he was grubby himself. I just don't think that Perry has that aura of personal honesty that Reagan had.

I'd say that Rick Perry most closely resembles Richard Nixon, except without the brains, even further to the right and perhaps even meaner-minded.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I Tend To Agree

Both Goldwater and Reagan were relatively free from the taint of corruption. Texas reminds me of Russia after the Soviet Union fell with major industries falling into the hands of oligarchs.

[MarianJack]

8. Good Analysis,...

...it has some similarities to what I said in response # 6.

PEACE!

[Vogon_Glory]

11. I Live Down Here

I live down here. That (person) has been governor for over ten years, so I've seen a lot of the fellow. Unfortunately, Texas Democrats' impressions of Republican candidates out of Texas aren't much in demand by the corporate "lamestream" media.

God have mercy on us if Rick Perry becomes President!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. He Seems Much Worse Than George Bush*

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[ibegurpard]

39. He's the presidential candidate from The Dead Zone

by Stephen King

[shraby]

3. Worse....he's like Rick Perry.

[blkmusclmachine]

5. Pastor Perry is a "Christian Dominionist:"

7 Mountains/New Apolistic Talibangelical. A real Holy Roller. Catch the DVD "Jesus Camp" for a real eye-opener on this dangerous Cult.

[MarianJack]

6. More Like Goldwater than Reagan IMHO.

I will grant you that in 1994 i was only 9, but I what I remember about that election was that every adult I knew thought that Goldwater was CRAZY! This was living in an (at that time) OVERWHELMINGLY republican county where the democrat was lucky to break 25% of the vote in a typical election.

Go ahead and flame me for this statement, but it won't make it untrue. Reagan was able to project a great likability to the average person that seemed to transcend issues. To illustrate this, I remember seeing several polls in 1984 that showed the public's opinions being closely divided on the Mondale and Reagan positions. Sometimes a majority agreed with the Mondale positions. I think that the 1984 election selected Reagan as the national grandfather. Of course in 1980 the Democratic Party was so badly divided after the Carter/Kennedy race and convention that a difficult election became out of reach.

I'll confess that, while I didn't agree with a damn thing that Reagan did, I didn't dislike him in the same way that I DETESTED captain bunnypants.

BTW, the funny thing today is that the 1964 crazy Goldwater seems downright reasonable compared to the teabagger loons that dominate the rethugs today. I remember seeing more than one interview with Goldwater done later in his life where he expressed his disdain for the religious right. Compared to Nixon, Reagan and the 2 Bushes, Goldwater might not have been such a bad a president as the others. That being said, I'm glad he never was president.

Just my 2 cents. As we know, opinions are like arseholes; everybody has at least one.

PEACE!

[xxqqqzme]

32. There was an election in 1994?

I grew up surrounded by rethuglican adults who loved Goldwater. My great-grandmother, huge crazy hat rethug convention delegate, actually volunteered me to be a 'Goldwater Girl' for the day he was in our city.

[MarianJack]

35. Obviously "1994" was a Typo.

In 1964 My exposure was that of a 9 year old whose world was pretty limited. I do remember many republican family members who stated their support of tricky dick in 1960 and whose support of him in 1968 & 1972 I personally witnessed supporting LBJ in 1964.

BTW, there was a mid-term election in 1994. We Dems got our collective ass handed to us because the NRA and other interest groups, with the help of a compliant media, worked hard to make it so.

PEACE!

[NCDem60]

40. Goldwater would despise what the GOP has become

On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.
I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

Barry Goldwater

[WI_DEM]

7. Maybe Ronald Goldwater?

[OHdem10]

9. Neither.

[MatthewStLouis]

10. He looks and sounds like a slimy televangelist.

[JoePhilly]

13. He's GW Bush.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. I Think George Bush Worked At Being A Yahoo. To Perry It Comes Nauturally

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[awoke_in_2003]

26. ...

:rofl:

[ccinamon]

46. thumbs up --- as a Texan, I approve this statement! n/t

[golfguru]

45. But does he pronounce NUKULAR correctly?

[AnneD]

15. He is George Bush....

with better hair.

[totodeinhere]

16. My governor Brian Sandoval announced his endorsement of Perry yesterday and

said he will not be a candidate for vice president. Of course what this really means is that he will be a candidate for vice president if he gets his way. An Hispanic on the Republican ticket would be scary because even if it attracts one or two percent more Hispanic voters that might be enough to swing a close election in states like Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico.

[emulatorloo]

17. Media is going to try like hell to "mainstream" him. Witness 2010 teabag candidates. Media acted

as if they were qualified, plausible, and mainstream. The extremeist stuff was hidden. It some cases it got out anyway (Angle, O'Donnell)

[raging_moderate]

18. Neither....

He's more like a motivated, self-aware, un-lazy, angry George W. Bush with an attitude. Not good, not good at all.

[Cosmocat]

24. Not bad

I would say that W was more disciplined and "refined" than Perry - I think that comes from having lost a major race. It forced him to know what lines not to cross and to be more careful when speaking.

But, yeah, motivated, un-lazy and more angry than W, with a lot of the other similar qualities, pretty close.

[Lil Missy]

19. No n/t

[KOfan]

20. Elmer Fudd?

n/t/n

[Honeycombe8]

21. Neither. He is unique. But he's closest to George W. Bush in manner....Bush, who won TWICE,

despite not being particularly popular.

A lot of people like leaders who are strong, committed, seem to know the answers (even when they don't), tall, attractive, and have a commanding voice. A prior stint in uniform is helpful (check that for Perry and Bush, both). A downhome ordinary-man appeal is required. And voila. You have a President.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. But Bush * Never Said SS Was A Ponzi Scheme And Constitutionally Dubious

Said Governors should appoint and send Senators to Washington

Said the Voting Rights Acts was unconstitutional

And was engaging in blatant cronyism.

I am of two minds about an Obama-Perry race. If the economy still sucks which I strongly believe it will I want to face the weakest possible opponent. IMHO, that's Perry. On the other hand, in their desperation Americans might turn to anyone but the incumbent. And in that instance a President Perry would take us back to antebellum America.

[xxqqqzme]

33. * won nothing!

The first one was a gift; the second was stolen in Ohio.

[Andy823]

23. George W. II

Just another MORON from the right who will do the will of corporate America and to hell with everyone else!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

27. An anal cyst on Reagan's ass?

:shrug:

[hayrow]

28. Unfortunately, a far better and more troubling question is........

Is Obama more like LBJ or Carter. I believe that vast majority would choose the latter.

[mikekohr]

44. Carter was the most under rated president in 50 years. He outperformed Reagan on job creation and

debt reduction:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mHSyEv8vBt4/S6Zvl-nui8I/AAAAAAAAACQ/3j0wUSj78mk/s640/Job+growth+graph.jpg?

Job Creation Averages, by president and party:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mHSyEv8vBt4/S6Z6xo0qSnI/AAAAAAAAACY/p8SkoEnN5dw/s640/job+creation+by+president.jpg?

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cached at: http://bureaucountydems.blogspot.com/

[Ikonoklast]

29. He's more like...Toast.

He's running for the Teabagger nomination, not the Republican one, and saying some enormously politically damaging things in the process, puttingt him out on the political fringe.


I think Romney is paying off Perry's speech writers.

[Tennessee Gal]

30. Shrub, but Shrub was smarter in some ways.

Bush wanted to dismantle SS, but at least he knew enough not to call SS a Ponzi scheme.

[11 Bravo]

31. Other: Nehemiah Scudder

[xxqqqzme]

34. He reminds me of a young

Oral Roberts. My brother and I would watch Roberts on snowy b/w TV and laugh our asses off.

I expect perry to break into 'tongues' every time he opens his mouth.

[wizstars]

36. NO!

"Is Rick Perry BarryGoldwater Or Ronald Reagan?"

NO!


he's bad foreskin with good hair.

[Douglas Carpenter]

37. he is not as brilliant and educated or as leftwing as Reagan nor is he a peace-nic like Goldwater

[McCamy Taylor]

38. Neither. He is running as another village idiot from Texas. That makes him W.

[Tom Ripley]

41. George Bush Junior Junior

[mikekohr]

42. A Thinking Man's Dan Quayle

with a megadose of Cowboy Incompetance.

[Imagevision]

43. --> George W. Bush...