Is it me, or does anyone else see an odd correlation between Obama "criticism" and Nader support??

[YellowCosmicSun]

It's almost like they originate from the same locus.

Can somebody get us that Venn Diagram?

[tblue]

1. I don't. nt

[Starry Messenger]

2. It's just you.

:tinfoilhat:

[YellowCosmicSun]

4. We shall see.

[Starry Messenger]

21. See what?

The locus?

[YellowCosmicSun]

22. locusts?

[Starry Messenger]

40. Bugs on the brain?

[YellowCosmicSun]

50. There is definitely an infestation of some kind of anti-Obama bug around here

[Starry Messenger]

66. You just lost 10 voters.

Congratulations. See how that works?

[YellowCosmicSun]

100. There are only ten of you? Sounds about right.

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[Bobbie Jo]

69. No it isn't.

:think:

[ZombieHorde]

3. An odd correlation? I will describe the situation to you.

Fact: Many DUers are to the left of President Obama.

Fact: Nader is to the left of President Obama.

Natural Conclusion: Some DUers will like Nader more than President Obama.

You're welcome.

[YellowCosmicSun]

5. Fact: Nader isn't a Democrat. In fact he said there is no difference between the Parties.

Can you really be a Democrat and support Ralph Nader over your own??

I don't think so.

[demosincebirth]

7. You are right. welcome to du.

[ZombieHorde]

11. Many DUers are not Democrats.

"This is Democratic Underground." -- The administrators don't care.

[YellowCosmicSun]

15. Why are they here then? Just to chastise Democrats?

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[Art_from_Ark]

23. This site was set up on Inauguration Day 2001,

partly in protest of the stolen election, and partly as a place where progressives could meet and discuss politics without being drowned out by noise from the right wing. A few months later, Skinner was interviewed on C-SPAN about this web site, and he said that he was looking for Democrats and other progressives to join. A lot of us who were politically aware in the '70s and before know what truly progressive Democrats can accomplish, but we don't see anything near that in today's political climate. So, some DU members have become disenchanted with what the current Democrats are doing-- or not doing-- but they still hold on to the ideals that brought them to this site in the first place.

[YellowCosmicSun]

26. How can this site work for Democrats and against them at the same time?

E Pluribus Unum

[Art_from_Ark]

33. Democrats don't even stick together in the House and Senate

The "blue dogs" (also known as "DINOs"), for example, often vote with the other party. So a lot of people here are really ticked off at that sort of behavior from politicians calling themselves "Democrats".

[villager]

34. Funny, many of us have that same question about Democratic officeholders

n/t

[Armstead]

72. Because many Democrats work against Democratic Principles

[truth2power]

37. Why yes. Thank you for that explanation. n/t

[ZombieHorde]

99. I imagine they are here to discuss their political opinions. nt

[Armstead]

73. One can support the principles he stands for on the economy and democracy....

...without supporting everything he has done in the partisan realm.

[txlibdem]

106. I, personally, like seat belts in cars -- which The Big 3 fought and Nader gave us

PS, I do not support everything he stands for but many of the things he has done over his career are great for the American People (like the millions of lives saved due to seat belt laws).

[Pab Sungenis]

93. Who says we're supporting Nader?

I'm not. Never have, never will. It's only in the minds of people who feel the need to marginalize and destroy those who don't agree with them 100% of the time that someone who criticizes the President must be a Nader supporter.

Welcome back, by the way.

[CakeGrrl]

10. Does that mean all the Nader lovers are going to write him in on the 2012 ballot?

[ZombieHorde]

13. I don't know; I don't speak for Nader lovers. nt

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[sabrina 1]

85. Or Palinville. I read an article on why Palin is losing

support on the right on one of their right-wing blogs recently, and oddly enough, many of them said that her supporters were one of the reasons. They said you cannot even ask a question about her without them coming out of the woodwork and attacking you using stupid talking points etc. like 'so you want Democrats for four more years'! So, they said, it reflected on her and was a big reason why they were not interested in her anymore.

It sounded very familiar. It does so much harm as no one wants to deal with that kind of stupidity when the country is in the state it's in and people have legitimate questions, all dismissed by loyal supporters with comments like the one you responded to. Black and white thinking 'if you don't like Bush, you LOVE Saddam'. I remember thinking back then that we on the Left were above that kind of thing. I was so wrong.

[Enrique]

44. you've solved the mystery

and it sure was a baffler. :hi:

[jaxx]

6. It's definitely there.

Some of DU is now 'anybody but Obama'. What a shame.

[cherokeeprogressive]

8. Nader has been a liberal icon for DECADES. Fucking DECADES.

In fact, Nader's been a liberal icon for longer than Barack Obama has been out of high school.

Odd correlation? Why don't you line that out for us?

"the same locus"?

Enlighten us as to your thinking maybe?

[YellowCosmicSun]

9. Ralph Nader is anti-Democrat. How do you feel about that?

[Mr Deltoid]

27. I am anti center right 'Democrats'

But I support real Democrats. How do you feel about that?

[YellowCosmicSun]

30. How many of these "real as determined by you" Democrats are in Congress?

The ones who are elected are the real Democrats.

They are the ones who vote.

If you can't accept that, you're living in a dream world.

[Mr Deltoid]

60. ?

How many non right wing Dems are in congress? Many, thank you. There are very few Dems foolish enough to consider themselves 'Center right'. That is because the Republicans are the center right party, not the Democrats.

[bigdarryl]

80. there's NOTHING liberal about someone constantly running against democrat

Presidential nominee's he is not a Progressive he's full of SHIT!!!

[MADem]

104. Nader has been a contrarian idiot for all of this century.

He needs to go home to his closet full of Army-Navy surplus boots and count his millions.

He's not a man of the people--he's a man out for himself, and no matter what he does, he can't stop the hands of time.

[scarletwoman]

12. It's the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy! Ooga Booga!

[YellowCosmicSun]

14. I don't think it's that vast, really. Rather pathetic. But extremely vocal.

[scarletwoman]

17. No no. Be afwaid, be vewy vewy afwaid!

[Tarheel_Dem]

16. Good ol' Ralph is the GOP's best bud! And his minions are simply useful tools!

:hi:

[BlueCaliDem]

29. Yep. Sad thing is, they don't even know it.

They believe they're doing the right thing for this country when all they're doing is what they believe is right in their ideology...or idealism, even if that puts another Republican in the WH or Congress.

At least they stand on their convictions!

[YellowCosmicSun]

31. Some of them know it, but still they do it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

32. Many of them feel that the only way to progressive utopia is to destroy the Democratic Party.

Of course it's a pipe dream, but what they refuse to acknowledge is that 2000-2008 damn near destroyed the country, while the Democratic Party rebounded, and will be a part of this country's body politick forever.

The fact that we haven't become Venezuela yet, pisses them off to no end. :hi:

[Vicar In A Tutu]

35. The next Democratic President will have to be to the right of Obama

...if the GOP succeed next year. Every time they succeed, the status quo moves further to the right, and a new normal is established. Rome took years to build and five days to burn. I think people would do well to consider that when wondering why progressive, constructive policy is harder to enact than the Grand Old Party's brand of legislation.

[Pab Sungenis]

95. And the further right we move in answer to them

the further right THEY move to counter us.

[quinnox]

19. thanks for exposing this

I also suspect that just about every critic of Obama is a closet Nader devotee.

This is fine work you have done here.

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[Mr Deltoid]

24. You shot for the brass ring...

But came up with only a fist full of straws

[YellowCosmicSun]

25. I'll put you down as a Ralph.

[Mr Deltoid]

28. FAIL

Lol

[Warren Stupidity]

38. I find it fascinating that some people are gearing up to

blame ralph fucking nader for the looming disaster.

[YellowCosmicSun]

46. There is no disaster looming. Ralph Nader still sucks. They are not mutually exclusive propositions.

[NorthCarolina]

39. Unrec. Juvenile flamebait. nt

[YellowCosmicSun]

51. Where do you fit in that Venn diagram?

[Autumn]

41. It's just you

people see into things what they want to see. You don't like Nader so you attribute any criticism of Obama to Nader. Nader has always been an advocate. I would never want him to run for President but say what you will, he is a liberal. Just not a Democrat. Bush V Gore. 5 to 4, the only votes that counted.

[YellowCosmicSun]

47. Nader thanks you.

[Autumn]

62. Tell Ralph I said he's very welcome

since you must know him well enough to tell me thanks from him, and if he ever changes his affiliation to the Democratic party I will be more than happy to vote for him. I do so admire his advocacy.:) I just don't vote for pukes or third party. ( However I would make an exception for Bernie)

[Bluenorthwest]

42. I criticize Obama's anti marriage equality policy because it is

bigoted, wrong headed and based on religious cult nonsense that has no place in the political discourse.
Nader, I can not stand. I'm in the arts and most of the votes I can win for a Democrat will come from the Greens and other non Party liberals. In my area in 08, there was a group of 'Green Dog Democrats' for Obama. Greens for Obama. Imagine that. So, I offer that while there are jollies to be had foisting flame bait and hyperbolic nonsense, there are VOTES to be had by taking a higher, more informed approach. So which do you prefer from the Greens and all, votes or derision? Because serving up derision will get you more of that, and lose those votes which I think we need.
If you are not winning votes for a candidate, then what is the objective? Jollies over voters? Good luck with that.

[YellowCosmicSun]

48. You mean the same Obama that stopped enforcement of DOMA?

And repealed DADT?

Give me a fucking break.

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[YellowCosmicSun]

101. Obsession does not become you.

[Puglover]

43. It's you.

[Enrique]

45. that's because Nader is criticising Obama

a correlation between supporting Nader and agreeing with what he is saying? I think you might be onto something... :tinfoilhat:

[YellowCosmicSun]

49. You agree more with a non-Democrat. What does that make you?

[Enrique]

54. i'm using a "non-Democrat" as my avatar

:shrug:

[YellowCosmicSun]

55. So, are you a member of the Democratic Party? or do you just use it as a means to an end?

[Mr Deltoid]

61. What is this, some new form of McCarthyism?

[QC]

65. It's not new, really. n/t

[Enrique]

64. means to an end n/t

[SwampG8r]

52. i guess your month

of observation must have made you an expert

[YellowCosmicSun]

56. Nader just started this lunacy days ago.

But thanks for breaking a rule in your attack on me.

[SwampG8r]

57. no didnt happen

no attack no namecalling
i have read the rules and nope nopety nope

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[Pab Sungenis]

94. Come visit me in my home state.

Might give you a clue.

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[yardwork]

71. Excellent point. There's something familiar about....

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[RandomKoolzip]

58. Duh.

My politics are solidly left. I vote Dem in many elections just because it's the only vehicle for my politics, though it's an imperfect vehicle, moves too slow, always needs repair, and it keeps making stops over in Goptown and Conserville against the wishes of its passengers. I voted for Nader in 2000 and yes, i criticize Obama - when he deserves criticism. if he didn't continually kowtow to the right, i wouldn't be criticizing him. It's pretty simple....why the musing and puzzling?

[bigwillq]

59. Haven't noticed it.

Welcome to DU! Congrats on 100 posts. :hi:

[Logical]

67. Wow are you desperate! This shit belongs in the 911 forum

[Exultant Democracy]

68. I'm very dissapointed in Obama, but in no way a Nader voter. I do support seat belts.

You are 100% wrong when it comes to me.

[msanthrope]

70. Ratfucking, 101. nt

[Armstead]

74. It's you

The "odd" correlation is not so odd, if you look at the world in terms larger than blind, unthinking partisanship with no sense of social, political or economic values.

[JNelson6563]

75. Oh snap!

I see the frustrati has been busy unrec-ing your truthful post.

LOLZ

Well done friend.

[Patriot 76]

76. You noticed that too?

Shows us all you need to know about some folks here.

[Number23]

79. Hadn't looked at it that way. The Kucinich lovers tend to fall in here as well

[Union Scribe]

87. Dennis is a Dem. You don't support Dems?

[Number23]

96. Did you break your knees making that jump?

Your comment doesn't even make any sense. Especially in the context of what I posted, which is that Kucinich lovers tend to be hyper-critical of the president

[Union Scribe]

105. I don't suppose it would to you.

You all whine about people criticizing Obama and talk about the need to support elected Dems, but somehow that never extends to old DK.

[great white snark]

81. Not just Obama, the "criticism" is for Democrats in general.

Note who supports Liberals and not Liberal Democrats.

[Zenlitened]

82. You're even boring in technicolor.

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[paulk]

84. it's you

[LaydeeBug]

86. You are correct. nt

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[Autumn]

91. That's what I thought too

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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[jefferson_dem]

89. That's not even arguable.

Of course there's a strong (though not necessarily odd) correlation between Obama "criticism" and Nader support.

Obama haters lurves them some Ralphie. :crazy:

[Pab Sungenis]

90. I'm gonna have to call a Flagg on this play. Sorry.

It's just you. I've never been and never will be a Nader supporter, and I criticize Obama when he needs it.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

98. No. I see the absolute correlation between Obama "criticism" on some issues

and the lack of critical thought.

[yurbud]

103. Why don't you start a website called corporateDemocrat.com where you can ask

questions like that?

[YellowCosmicSun]

107. We Democrats already have a website. This is it.

Perhaps the non-Democrats should take your advice.

[yurbud]

112. if ''centrist,'' ''moderate,'' or whatever you want to call it is your definition of a real democrat

that would leave about 12 people here.

[Jakes Progress]

108. It's you.

[mitchtv]

109. keep driving away solid liberals

that'll help

[YellowCosmicSun]

110. Naderites are no friend of the Democrat

[mitchtv]

111. nor sir, are you

if you think about it, seeing naderites under every bed.

[YellowCosmicSun]

113. not every bed.

Just the ones that alternate between bashing Obama and defending Ralph Nader.