During the Civil War, should we have arrested and tried Confed. soldiers instead of shooting them?

[ZombieHorde]

The Confederate soldiers were US citizens, yet the vast majority of them never received due process of law. They were targeted for death.

[RaleighNCDUer]

1. We didn't hunt down Confederate sympathizes on the streets of Paris.

Had we done that, those who did it would themselves be arrested.

[TheWraith]

3. You know the Yemeni government had a capture-or-kill order out on him, right?

In that country he was a convicted felon.

[RaleighNCDUer]

4. Then let the Yemeni government deal with it.

You knnow that our justice system does not honor trials conducted 'in absentia'.

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. Yet.

[jberryhill]

11. Rose O'Neal Greenhow

To be fair, we got her on her way back from Europe, when she was aboard a British vessel returning from her mission to obtain British and French support for the Confederacy.

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. And we gave her two in the chest and one in the head when we

caught up with her, right?

[jberryhill]

14. No

But if you are referring to Bin Laden, then I have found all of the threads about the outrage over Bill Clinton's cruise missile attack on him to be repetitive.

[ellisonz]

2. All except that Goddamn Outlaw Josey Wales...

Josey Wales: Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Did we not have POW camps?

Are you saying that we shot all of them?

[Confusious]

8. No, you're smart enough to know what he means

Aren't you?

[Tx4obama]

7. U.S. Citizen ('suspect') gunned down by U.S. SWAT team during manhunt - no trial given to this guy

Authorities: CA slayings suspect killed in manhunt
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_COUNCILMAN_KILLED_MANHUNT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-10-01-23-47-36

I bet many will say that it was okay to kill this non-convicted U.S. citizen that did not get a trial.

I haven't seen any outrage today about his 'assassination'

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Now back to the al-Qaeda terrorists - no matter matter if they are U.S. citizen or not, if they declare WAR upon The USA then they should be 'taken-out' by any means available.

[Lucky Luciano]

9. Yup. Too much self righteous outrage here sometimes. nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. If you see no difference between killing a suspect in an attempt to arrest him

and dropping a missile on a suspect from several hundred miles away

THAT is why is country is in so much fucking trouble.

[iconocrastic]

19. CA manhunt - they had previously exchanged fire

Too bad for him - you don't go shooting at cops and expect to live.

[DirkGently]

25. Oh... !The Hellfire missile was trying to arrest the guy in Yemen? Of course. Did it wave its badge?

[Ter]

10. We absolutely should have just let them secede

You don't go to war with fellow Americans who want to peacefully leave the Union. I guarantee, the next time a state tries to secede, it won't lead to war. The US split into two countries, one liberal and one conservative, would not be a bad idea at all. Lincoln absolutely violated the Constitution.

[mikekohr]

13. General Grant Issued Orders To Shoot Captured Rebels Serving Under The Command of John Mosby

From "International Brotherhood Days," http://www.brotherhooddays.com/

GEORGE ARMSTRONG CUSTER:
After graduating last in his class at West Point and setting a record for demerits and reprimands Custer quickly proved his willingness to please his superiors and to succeed at any cost. Rising quickly through the ranks, Custer became the youngest man ever to attain the rank of General. His reckless bravado resulted in many Civil War victories but at the cost of troops under his command suffering the highest casualty rate in the war. 35). 23).

One specific incident during the Civil War would provide particular insight into Custer's character. In 1864, General U.S. Grant issued an order that stated that any men fighting under the command of Confederate Colonel John S. Mosby that were captured, should be summarily executed. The order, relayed through Union General Phil Sheridan, was ignored by all but one of General Sheridan's subordinates, and that lone exception was General George Custer. Custer captured six of Colonel Mosby's men in September of 1864 and had them shot to death on the streets of Fort Royal, Virginia. 34).
from the page: "Your Heroes Are Not Our Heroes." http://www.brotherhooddays.com/HEROES.html#GEORGE ARMSTRONG CUSTER:

[ZombieHorde]

15. We have been doing this for a really long time. nt

[DirkGently]

26. No. We have not. Dropping a missile on a citizen in Yemen is not the Civil War. That's ridiculous.

It's not a criminal fleeing police. It's the government, putting an individual person on a kill list and murdering them in cold blood.

The world is not our battlefield. When other countries kill their citizens without a trial, we call it tyranny. When other countries blow up civilians, we call it terrorism.

No one calls it "The American Civil War."

[ZombieHorde]

32. What is the difference between ambushing Americans during the civil war

and ambushing Americans now?

[Bonobo]

17. For Fuck's Sake! Answer THIS question:

OK, you agreed with the killing of this guy but what happens with the next president and the next killing?

What if you disagree?

There is no fucking accountability if it is just based on the order of the president.

For fuck's sake...!

Americans are fucking lunatics.

[iconocrastic]

20. "For Fuck's Sake" - now that's some persuasive language

The bastard was a member of Al Qaeda. Fair game.

[ZombieHorde]

33. I did not say I agreed with it. I am trying to figure it out through argumentation.

There is no fucking accountability if it is just based on the order of the president.

There never has been. You've been living a lie.

[yurbud]

18. Do you think al Qaeda is as great a threat to America as the Confederacy was?

Probably in about one hour of one battle, the Confederates killed more Americans than al Qaeda could ever hope to.

[iconocrastic]

21. We're at war with Al Qaeda - what does the relative comparison have to do with anything?

Al Qaeda gave us 9/11. Let's kill as many of them as we can.

[yurbud]

23. because...Wall Street's economic damage is far more extensive than al Qaeda's?

or do you dispute that?

[iconocrastic]

24. WTF has Wall Street to do with the Confederacy?

Why do I even waste my time with the weird and pointless diatribes here?

[yurbud]

31. sorry, I was responding to similar threads at once.

[ZombieHorde]

34. We chose to fight the Confederacy. We could have just said, "Goodbye, and good luck."

So they began as less of a threat, and then they became a bigger threat once we targeted them for death.

[DirkGently]

22. Should we blow up suspected serial killers with missiles? Civil War analogy is horribly dishonest.

We are not engaged in an endless, borderless "war" with whomever the U.S. may claim is a terrorist.

[uponit7771]

27. Only if they're at war with America or are a part of a group that is at war with us.

[ZombieHorde]

35. I think we all agree: the right tool for the job.

We are not engaged in an endless, borderless "war" with whomever the U.S. may claim is a terrorist.

Are you sure? Seems that way to me. Seems like we are going to be doing this for a really long time.

Massive protests may help to cut it short.

[Fearless]

28. Point of note... Robert E. Lee was LET GO AND PARDONED after the war.

"On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in the rebellion against the United States. There were fourteen excepted classes, though, and members of those classes had to make special application to the President. Lee sent an application to Grant and wrote to President Johnson on June 13, 1865:

Being excluded from the provisions of amnesty & pardon contained in the proclamation of the 29th Ulto; I hereby apply for the benefits, & full restoration of all rights & privileges extended to those included in its terms. I graduated at the Mil. Academy at West Point in June 1829. Resigned from the U.S. Army April '61. Was a General in the Confederate Army, & included in the surrender of the Army of N. Virginia 9 April '65.<90>

Oath of amnesty submitted by Robert E. Lee in 1865.

On October 2, 1865, the same day that Lee was inaugurated as president of Washington College in Lexington, Virginia, he signed his Amnesty Oath, thereby complying fully with the provision of Johnson's proclamation. Lee was not pardoned, nor was his citizenship restored. The fact that he had submitted an amnesty oath at all was soon lost to history.<90>

Apparently Secretary of State William H. Seward had given Lee's application to a friend as a souvenir, and the State Department had pigeonholed the oath. More than a hundred years later, in 1970, an archivist at the National Archives discovered Lee's Amnesty Oath among State Department records (reported in Prologue, Winter 1970).<90> For 110 years Lee remained without a country, as the Confederacy had dissolved and Lee's United States application and oath were lost and disregarded. It is probable that someone at the State Department did not want Robert E. Lee to regain citizenship while Lee was alive.<91>"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee#President_Johnson.27s_first_amnesty_pardon



And then there's Jefferson Davis (President of the Confederacy)

"After two years of imprisonment, he was released on bail of $100,000 which was posted by prominent citizens of both Northern and Southern states, including Horace Greeley, Cornelius Vanderbilt and Gerrit Smith (a former member of the Secret Six who had supported John Brown). Davis visited Canada, Cuba and Europe. In December 1868 the court rejected a motion to nullify the indictment, but the prosecution dropped the case in February 1869. That same year, Davis became president of the Carolina Life Insurance Company in Memphis, Tennessee. He turned down the opportunity to become the first president of the Agricultural and Mechanical College of Texas (now Texas A&M University).<81>"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Davis#Imprisonment_and_later_years

[Splinter Cell]

29. We did the right thing....

during the Civil war(and I have ancestors that fought on both sides) and with this terrorist bastard.

[krawhitham]

30. We should have let the south go