Unless the Democratic Party can run someone other than Obama, we're fucked

[MannyGoldstein]

Growing numbers of Americans, particularly children, are living in poverty. Three years into a recession, we're still losing jobs at a good clip after accounting for population growth.

So what's our President and his branch of government focusing on right now?

1. A jobs bill that, at best, would solve one-quarter of our problems - except that it has zero chance of getting past Republicans. It's purely an election-time stunt.
2. Pushing three "free" trade agreements that *will* probably pass, because the Republicans love them - they were introduced by George Bush, after all. These bills will destroy more American jobs.
3. Closing down medical marijuana dispensaries. Seriously?
4. Sending Timmy Geithner to Europe to beg them to bail out their debtor countries, so that US Banks won't take a hit.

Meanwhile, a revolution is afoot in the streets of Lower Manhattan and elsewhere, orchestrated by a generation that has been totally cut out of economic progress. And the best we get from the WH on their efforts are oblique statements along the lines of "to the extent that people are frustrated with the economic situation, we understand". The bankers who seem to actually run American policy, Geithner and Daley, say that the protests are unhelpful. Well, at least they're not calling our ideas "fucking retarded" these days.

This nation cannot endure a Republican President, but we can't endure four more years of Obama, either. He and his banker coterie have been singularly unsuccessful at stemming the toll of 30 years of war against the middle class.

Enough with these fumbling fools - we need adults, and we need them soon.

[JNinWB]

1. So, whom are you running?

An expectant forum awaits your pronouncement....

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. Didn't you know?

Manny's running the corpse of FDR.

:rofl:

[FSogol]

11. The corpse of an idealized FDR.

:shrug:

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Oh, yes, of course...minus the pandering to Southern racist Dems

and complete refusal to work on civil rights or even basic Federal anti-lynching legislation.

That goes without saying, since what's really behind Manny's agenda is rather obvious, and stuff like that would be, well, beside the point.

;-)

[Dr Fate]

38. It's a well known fact that FDR was obsessed with killing Japanese people too.

Racist fuck.

And that goes for many (most?) of the people admired him too.

I believe that anyone who is not happy with Obama or who admires FDR's economic policies should be associated with racism.

[ProSense]

67. Is

Racist fuck.

And that goes for many (most?) of the people admired him too.

I believe that anyone who is not happy with Obama or who admires FDR's economic policies should be associated with racism.

...this sarcasm?

[Dr Fate]

71. No. As a centrist, it is in my best interest to paint FDR as a racist.

Not that he needs my help.

Yes- if they voted for FDR knowing about his pandering to Southern racist DEMS, and if they say they like some things about him after knowing of FDR's race-hate, then what does that mean?

If I have to tear down FDR to prove that Obama should not imitate his economic polices (unless he decides to), I'll do it happily.

[ProSense]

74. Well

"If I have to tear down FDR to prove that Obama should not imitate his economic polices (unless he decides to), I'll do it happily."

...you're free, and free to do whatever makes you happy.

[Dr Fate]

75. Thanks to your blue links, I can tear down FDR with the FACTS on my side.

I appreciate it.

Not so much a "tear down"- but it was from your blue links where I first learned about how many in the Democratic base hated FDR just like they hate Obama now.

I cant tell you how helpful that argument has been for me.

I'm pretty sure it was you who first pointed out his race hate too- at least I remember it being a blue link, I think...

[ProSense]

79. Seems

Thanks to your blue links, I can tear down FDR with the FACTS on my side.

I appreciate it.

Not so much a "tear down"- but it was from your blue links where I first learned about how many in the Democratic base hated FDR just like they hate Obama now.

I cant tell you how helpful that argument has been for me.

I'm pretty sure it was you who first pointed out his race hate too- at least I remember it being a blue link, I think...

...like someone is suffering from a serious case of issues!

[Dr Fate]

83. Just a little hero worship is all. nt

nt

[SidDithers]

88. Are you still pretending to be a centrist?...

hasn't that act gotten really old by now?

Sid

[Dr Fate]

91. If anything, FDR's pragmatic racism PROVES he was a centrist, not some "no compromise" liberal.

Nt

[Hart2008]

2. Yes, we can! There will be a challenger in the Democratic primaries! NT

[Douglas Carpenter]

18. not one with a credible campaign. It's not going to happen. To pretend it is - is to live in the l

land of self-delusion, fantasy and make-believe. And I say this as someone well to the left of you politically.

[Name removed]

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[dionysus]

27. GARY! GA-REE! rofl

you guys are a bad punchline by now, don't you realize?

:spray:

[SpartanDem]

3. A new day

yet the same trolling bs.

[cliffordu]

4. Yep - the screeching gets more pitiful with every post.

[ProSense]

6. What

Unless the Democratic Party can run someone other than Obama, we're fucked

Growing numbers of Americans, particularly children, are living in poverty. Three years into a recession, we're still losing jobs at a good clip after accounting for population growth.

So what's our President and his branch of government focusing on right now?

1. A jobs bill that, at best, would solve one-quarter of our problems - except that it has zero chance of getting past Republicans. It's purely an election-time stunt.
2. Pushing three "free" trade agreements that *will* probably pass, because the Republicans love them - they were introduced by George Bush, after all. These bills will destroy more American jobs.
3. Closing down medical marijuana dispensaries. Seriously?
4. Sending Timmy Geithner to Europe to beg them to bail out their debtor countries, so that US Banks won't take a hit.

Meanwhile, a revolution is afoot in the streets of Lower Manhattan and elsewhere, orchestrated by a generation that has been totally cut out of economic progress. And the best we get from the WH on their efforts are oblique statements along the lines of "to the extent that people are frustrated with the economic situation, we understand". The bankers who seem to actually run American policy, Geithner and Daley, say that the protests are unhelpful. Well, at least they're not calling our ideas "fucking retarded" these days.

This nation cannot endure a Republican President, but we can't endure four more years of Obama, either.

Enough with these fumbling fools - we need adults, and we need them soon.

..drivel. This post amounts to just throwing up a bunch of thoughts and declaring " we're fucked"!

Poverty = Obama's fault = " we're fucked"

Jobs bill = Obama's fault = " we're fucked"

[MannyGoldstein]

21. We hired Obama to fix the problem

He's failed miserably.

[dionysus]

28. someone's failing miserably, that's for sure...

[Hutzpa]

32. lol

mowahahah

[SidDithers]

64. Boom goes the dynamite...nt

Sid

[Scurrilous]

78. ROFL

:thumbsup:

[jefferson_dem]

66. Looks like someone prefers to burn out rather than fade away.

A sad sight to behold too.

[ProSense]

35. Here

"We hired Obama to fix the problem"

...are a couple of problems President Obama fixed:

ACLU: Justice Is Served (Fair Sentencing Act made retroactive)

Don't ask, don't tell' fades away

And, no, he did not cause child poverty.

[MannyGoldstein]

37. Child poverty has increased dramatically under Obama

And continues rising today.

Shame.

[Name removed]

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[MannyGoldstein]

43. Should Lincoln have fired his failing generals?

During the Civil War, you'd have argued to let them stay since it was the Confederacy's fault that they were losing the battles, no?

We hire people to do a job. If they don't do the job, we find new people. Good luck with your alternative understanding.

[dionysus]

45. Good luck with a bogus analogy your campaign against the president.

[MannyGoldstein]

48. Can you be specific as to why it's bogus?

Thanks.

[GeorgeGist]

58. You need a new sig line ...

:rofl:

[ProSense]

42. Well

"Child poverty has increased dramatically under Obama"

...his efforts had a huge positive impact on the trend.

<...>

A quick comment on the effect of ARRA

How did the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) affect the 2010 poverty and income numbers? Because ARRA was passed in February and was in the process of ramping up through the end of 2009, its full impact was felt in 2010. ARRA primarily affected these numbers by creating and saving jobs, the earnings from which otherwise would not have been there supporting family incomes. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the Recovery Act created or saved around one million full-time equivalent jobs in 2009, and 3.4 million jobs in 2010. Without these jobs, the decline in income and increase in poverty would have been much more dramatic. In other words, the new Census Bureau report is ugly, but without ARRA, it would have been much uglier. This underscores the growing impact of the end of ARRA—in the current quarter, ARRA is supporting only 2.3 million full-time equivalent jobs, and the number of jobs supported drops to half a million by the fourth quarter of 2012. This means that the loss of the boost from government action is—and without additional intervention will continue to be—a substantial drag on jobs and family income.

What about the direct income supports in ARRA? Of three major income supports in the stimulus—unemployment insurance, nutritional assistance (food stamps), and tax cuts—only unemployment insurance is counted in the income numbers just released; the income numbers include cash income received from programs such as unemployment insurance, but exclude noncash benefits like food stamps, and are measured before payments of taxes, so they do not reflect reductions in taxes. While unemployment insurance benefits replace a maximum of half of a worker’s prior earnings, these benefits went to workers who were laid off and who had low odds of quickly finding another job (in 2010, there were 5.3 unemployed workers per job opening on average). In other words, these unemployment benefits went to families that otherwise would likely have suffered even steeper income declines, and in some cases dropped below the poverty line. Census data show that 3.2 million people were kept out of poverty in 2010 by unemployment insurance benefits alone.

<...>

Also, think of all those children with pre-existing conditions who now can't be denied health care coverage.

All in all, the OP is a big FAIL!

[MannyGoldstein]

49. Do you disagree that childhood poverty has increased substantially under Obama

and is continuing to increase today?

[ProSense]

50. Um

"Do you disagree that childhood poverty has increased substantially under Obama and is continuing to increase today?"

...no.

Do you believe that Obama is responsible for the trend in child poverty?

Do you see why this OP is a FAIL?

[MannyGoldstein]

53. Did we not hire Obama to fix things?

Are they fixed for the 99%? Are they fixed for the 1%?

When leaders can't do the job, we find new leaders.

[ProSense]

54. Um

"Did we not hire Obama to fix things? Are they fixed for the 99%? Are they fixed for the 1%?"

...yes. Are you implying that the following actions by the President aren't positive steps for those among the 99 percent of Americans?

ACLU: Justice Is Served (Fair Sentencing Act made retroactive)

Don't ask, don't tell' fades away

The President's efforts had a huge positive impact on low and middle income Americans.

<...>

A quick comment on the effect of ARRA

How did the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) affect the 2010 poverty and income numbers? Because ARRA was passed in February and was in the process of ramping up through the end of 2009, its full impact was felt in 2010. ARRA primarily affected these numbers by creating and saving jobs, the earnings from which otherwise would not have been there supporting family incomes. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the Recovery Act created or saved around one million full-time equivalent jobs in 2009, and 3.4 million jobs in 2010. Without these jobs, the decline in income and increase in poverty would have been much more dramatic. In other words, the new Census Bureau report is ugly, but without ARRA, it would have been much uglier. This underscores the growing impact of the end of ARRA—in the current quarter, ARRA is supporting only 2.3 million full-time equivalent jobs, and the number of jobs supported drops to half a million by the fourth quarter of 2012. This means that the loss of the boost from government action is—and without additional intervention will continue to be—a substantial drag on jobs and family income.

What about the direct income supports in ARRA? Of three major income supports in the stimulus—unemployment insurance, nutritional assistance (food stamps), and tax cuts—only unemployment insurance is counted in the income numbers just released; the income numbers include cash income received from programs such as unemployment insurance, but exclude noncash benefits like food stamps, and are measured before payments of taxes, so they do not reflect reductions in taxes. While unemployment insurance benefits replace a maximum of half of a worker’s prior earnings, these benefits went to workers who were laid off and who had low odds of quickly finding another job (in 2010, there were 5.3 unemployed workers per job opening on average). In other words, these unemployment benefits went to families that otherwise would likely have suffered even steeper income declines, and in some cases dropped below the poverty line. Census data show that 3.2 million people were kept out of poverty in 2010 by unemployment insurance benefits alone.

<...>

Also, think of the Americans with pre-existing conditions who now can't be denied health care coverage, the seniors who now get free preventive care, the expansion of Medicare and Medicaid.

All in all, the OP is a big FAIL!

[treestar]

57. that's a weird way of looking at the US government system

No we elected a President as defined in Article II of the Constitution.

If each President was to "solve our problems" we'd have no problems.

We're not talking about God here. Even God does not appear to "fix things."

[MannyGoldstein]

59. Article 2 is process, not who we choose

My HR department has a process. I hire people *following* that process, but based on who will get the job done.

I didn't vote for God. I did vote for Obama (and campaigned and contributed to him). He's helped the 1% mightily.

[Blue_Roses]

98. And you blame ALL this on Obama?

Yeah, I guess so since the GOP has been so helpful...

good grief...some people are just stuck on stupid...

[Top Cat]

101. Agreed...

[EffieBlack]

7. Whatever

[Whisp]

8. you should take a break,

or something.

this is getting a bit strange. just a bit :snarkacasm:

[dionysus]

25. he can't help himself, the urge is too strong...

[Rosco T.]

9. Delusional much? n/m

[Douglas Carpenter]

10. its just not going to happen - besides the Occupy Wall Street movement has created an opportunity

for progressives to change the course of the administrations and the Democratic Party much as conditions in the 30's gave the left and the unions the opportunity to really influence and to a significant degree define the New Deal and the Roosevelt Administration. Right now with the economy as it is - the Obama Administrations knows perfectly well that they will likely lose reelection because that is what almost always happens when an economy is down and the country feels itself in a state of economic frustrations and malaise.

However this incredible phenomena which is happening now on the streets of New York and across the country offers a lifeline to the Obama Administration and a very plausible path to an otherwise implausible reelection.

The historic precedent I see in this is similar in many ways to how FDR's administration recognized at some point that they needed the unions, the progressive organizations and the left in order to sustain a working majority. It appears that the Obama Administration is finally contoning on to the idea that they need the progressives. That unless they can strengthen their street cred they will almost certainly lose reelection.

Rather than embarking on some improbable primary campaign - this is the time for the left and the Obama Administration to bury the hatchet and start working together just as in the 30's the left and the Roosevelt Administrations recognized their mutual need for each other.

Some skeptics of the left might wonder what on earth would make one think that the Obama Administration would even be willing to change directions and embrace the progressive cause. Well there certainly has been a sea change in the tone of public statements coming out of the White House along with open expressions of empathy with the Occupy Wall Street movement. Something is under foot. Perhaps they have gotten the message - albeit a little bit late - but not too late. It perhaps would be a mistake of catastrophic proportions for progressives not to explore this new tone with an open mind.

[abelenkpe]

19. + 1

I think you are right, it's too late for a primary. And I do hope the admin gets the message and changes course. So far though, haven't seen that happening and if it doesn't Manny is probably correct. We'll all b f#d.

[zipplewrath]

23. I think this is the formula

The progressives who have been interested in a primary challenger should see this OWS movement for what it could be. It could be a serious chance to move Washington, including Obama, significantly to the left. Just as the tea baggers shoved the GOP severely to the right, the OWS could result in some signficant shifts to the left which could be sustained into the 2012 and 2014 elections. It just needs some "goals" that politicians can run upon.

If I may suggest:

1) Confirm someone to the head of the consumer protection agency
2) Raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans
3) EFCA
4) Increase in the capital gains tax
5) Increase in the limit on FICA wage caps.
6) DIRECT job creation at the federal level.

Don't have to actually achieve all of them, but if we can change the conversation to these issues, and off of cuts, we would have accomplished something VERY important. We have a president and a congress that currently discusses cuts 24/7. The conversation has to change.

[FSogol]

46. Good list, you should make it an original thread.

And add: Have Seal Team Six seize the Cayman Islands and put all those off shore accounts into US Treasury. All in the name of security, of course, those funds are probably being used for terrorism. Any corporation or any of the 1% complain? Imprison them on taxes avoidance fraud. ;)

[sweetapogee]

108. reality is

it's a little late for that. Election is in 12.5 months.

[FSogol]

12. The sky is falling!

:scared:

[JoePhilly]

13. Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Thanks ... I needed a good laugh.

:rofl:

[Maccagirl]

14. We're still waiting for you to actually name names.

Or is it George Clooney in "The Ides of March.".

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. You want Manny to name names?

McCarthyite! Have you no decency, sir, at long last?

:rofl:

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[Number23]

80. I thought that these folks were going to go with Matt Damon's dentist?

Whoever's responsible for these choppers DESERVES the presidency!

[opihimoimoi]

15. Obama is a miricle for America...he is priceless...we are so lucky to have him

can ya imagine McCane n Wasilla?

[Mr Deltoid]

94. It's easier just to say

Lesser of two evils.

[Atman]

20. Puh-leeeeze

So who will people vote for? The guys that created the mess and refuse to do anything to help solve it? Santorum? Pizza Boy? Crazy Eyes? Big Hair 1 or Big Hair 2? Seriously? Get a grip. It's going to be a tough fight, so we need tough fighters, not whiners and hand-wringers.

.

[Bloke 32]

22. Oh, not this again!

:argh:

[dionysus]

24. ROFL oh manny, thank you for all the laughs you continue to provide us!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[AngkorWot]

26. I'll agree that you're fucked.

[Hutzpa]

30. Let me get this straight

You don't want a Republican president and yet Obama is no good either, umm ok.

:rofl: wtg! Manny.

[great white snark]

33. My brain now automatically reads your posts using the voice of the cartoon character Droopy.

Oh woe is me...that mean Obama.

[uponit7771]

36. lol

[FSogol]

47. *grins*

[Name removed]

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[Dr Fate]

39. self delete

nt

[FrenchieCat]

40. You're fucked no matter who runs!

[bigwillq]

44. No one else is running

At least no one formidable. Obama will be the dem nominee.

[WI_DEM]

51. What a bunch of garbage.

[RickFromMN]

52. I actually believe Obama will win in 2012. Even the Republicans don't like the Republican choices.

Perry is a flop. The Tea Party hates Romney. Christie said he wouldn't jump in.

The Republicans won't be happy with whatever choice they make.

The Independents and the Democrats will be even less happy with the Republican choice.

I said before, it will be a very, very negative campaign. It will.

President Obama can say he is trying to make progress, and I believe he is trying.

People aren't going to vote on promises. They aren't going to believe Obama is making progress.

People are going to vote for the lesser of two evils.

We need to be very negative about the Republicans. The Republicans want to destroy Social Security.
They represent the rich and the financial community and the bankers, not the common person.

It will be ugly, like the dry and wet candidates during Prohibition.
It will be ugly, like the Loyalists and Patriots during our War of Independence from Britain.
It will be ugly, like the time for admission of states during slavery,
Kansas Jayhawks and Missouri Bushwhackers.

There was violence in our past. People died. Hopefully, we can resolve this without violence.

However, being realistic, and with the current rhetoric, violence seems inevitable.

How does it go?
If you aren't with us, you are against us.
If you aren't one of us, you are the enemy.

I know I am using harsh words and I could sugar coat my words...but that won't change the meaning.
The Right stopped listening to us and, I believe, many of us stopped listening to them.

[Jack Rabbit]

60. Agree, except . . .

The Republicans won't be happy with whatever choice they make.

The Independents and the Democrats will be even less happy with the Republican choice.

That is a formula for a light voter turnout, not an Obama victory. Light voter turnouts almost always favor Republicans. They know it. That's why they're passing voter suppression legislation. Expect Ken Blackwell-style tactics on election day and frivolous voter challenges, especially against voters whose last names end in a vowel and have first names like José, Juan or María.

We can't have four years of economics based on theories proved more than once (1929 and 2008) not to work. We can't afford four more years of GOP nihilism, either.

I don't know about you, but I am worried about the United States going the way of the Soviet Union, and sooner rather than later.

[Splinter Cell]

55. Bullshit.

:thumbsdown:

[Jakes Progress]

56. You forgot

5. Using arne duncan as a hit man against unions and teachers and as a front man for corporatizing American education.

[Jack Rabbit]

61. Agreed

See post 60, above.

[watercolors]

62. Ye of so little faith!!

[SidDithers]

63. Gary Hart 2012!!...

:rofl:


Edit: should have read the thread before replying :rofl:

Sid

[jefferson_dem]

65. Manny tries to sow the seeds of disarray within the Democratic Party. Promotes GOP.

Ack. Shark-jumping extraordinaire.

[Thrill]

68. Hate to break it to you. No Democratic President

is going to be more liberal than Obama. Not sure who you think is going to run and be able to get anything more progressive through Congress. There just aren't enough Liberal Democrats in the House or Senate.

[jefferson_dem]

70. The OP expresses great concern about Obama not solving problems...

and that the jobs bill is an "election-time stunt"... As if a more "progressive" bill would actually stand a better chance of passing and, therefore, solving that same set of problems. The argument is foolish on its face.

[Mr Deltoid]

95. Given the level of cooperation from previous encounters with the GOP

It is pretty safe to say the Republicans would never pass this in a billion years. Obama knows this.

[JNinWB]

72. Concise, post of the week.

There aren't enough liberal dems in the voting public....

[SidDithers]

69. In a DU Poll "Out of all the Presidential elections in the last 50 years,...

which would you like to see reversed?" MannyGoldstein answered 2008.

Not Carter beating Reagan.
Not Gore beating Bush.
Not Kerry beating Bush.

Manny would rather have had McCain beat Obama.

Keep that at the back of your mind when you read anything Manny posts.

Sid

[jefferson_dem]

73. "This nation ... can't endure four more years of Obama"

From the OP. I think I heard Hannity say that the other day. Verbatim.

[11 Bravo]

76. Yeah, because history is replete of instances of incumbent Democratic Presidents being primaried ...

out of the nomination, and then with their replacement going on to victory in the General Election.

:eyes:

[Carolina]

77. K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R!!!

Manny, I hear ya and totally concur.

[Number23]

81. I take this thread did not go as you'd hoped

I didn't even have to unrec it myself. Seems to be super-glued to 0.

[MrSlayer]

82. We're fucked no matter what happens.

No one is going to primary the President. The owners of the country are way too entrenched to be removed short of violent revolution and that is never going to happen either. OWS will have their say but I seriously doubt anything meaningful will come of it. The politicians have zero reason not to continue doing what they're doing.

[jenmito]

84. If by "we" you mean you, I'm sure you're right. n/t

[Carolina]

85. K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R!!!

To keep your thread up there, Manny!

[Name removed]

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[kaiden]

87. IBTL

[Tx4obama]

89. I will work hard AGAINST you and do everything in my power to RE-ELECT President Obama. n/t

[BlueIris]

90. There are lots of good Democrats other than Obama. The idea he's the only one is a myth.

Also known as a lie.

He won't be the nominee.

[Douglas Carpenter]

93. why not just insist that the Socialist Party is going to win the White House in 2012 and capture a

75% majority in both houses of Congress in an overwhelming landslide and sweep 40 out of 50 state legislatures into power. If one is going to have a fantasy about something wonderful but completely implausible - why not go all the way?

Obama is the only Democrat capable of mounting a credible campaign for President in 2012. The infrastructure, organization, funding and political dynamics simply do not exist to mount a credible left campaign to challenge Obama in 2012. It is not going to happen. To claim otherwise is simply being cuckoo.

I am certainly not an Obama apologist - I totally agree that he has been beholden to Wall Street interest and has essentially been a Republican lite President, so far. But recent events allow the possibility for progressives to help alter the course for the Obama administrations and change the fundamental political dissuasion for years to come. It would be far more productive to work on something that is consistent with the dynamics currently at play within the American body politic than to live in a fantasy land and waste time on something that has absolutely no possibility of happening.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

97. Seriously, what kind of drugs are you on?

You always post how Obama won't be the nominee. I know you hope and wish that to be true, but are you so immune to reality that you actually believe this crap?

[bhikkhu]

92. ODS - looking at the results of a negligent congress and pointing the finger at the president

The list of things that we could have done, as a people, to not get into the economic mess we are in began well before Obama. And the list of things we should have done includes mostly every little thing that the GOP successfully blocked. You can complain that Obama proposes a jobs bill that only fixes 25% of the unemployment problem, as if those 2 million people may as well just stay unemployed - what difference does it make? And if congress won't even consider the bill - why should they - they can just sit back and chuckle and wait for more of their buddies to get elected in next time around, because on this side of the aisle we'll cooperate beyond their wildest dreams and continue to blame it all on the president!

[Dr Fate]

99. I tried to tell people that bf the midterms too. I'll bet now they wish they had believed me. Nt

Nt

[woo me with science]

96. K&R nt

[Bobbie Jo]

100. Fantasy Politics

You may be onto something there. You know...like Fantasy Football.

[elana i am]

102. we're fucked regardless

for many reasons, not the least of which is there are people like you who think a primary challenge is the answer to the problem (not hardly), that someone more progressive than obama could possibly get elected (not just no, but HELL no), and if by some miracle they did get elected (not without the support of "big money", honey!), they could have any more influence or ability than obama to affect change ("big money" again).

here's your option. not optionS, optioN. re-elect obama. THEN start working on getting repugs out and dems in, both locally and nationally. and while you're at it, relocate those grandiose expectations of yours to the real world, because we are fucked every which way for a good 10 years to come.

[secondwind]

103. Take your BS hatred somewhere else. I'm sick and tired of these 'faux outrage' posts.

[MadMaddie]

104. And all of these things that you listed started 2.5 years ago right?

What's that? Oh they started with the Reagan Revolution? I guess if President Obama did absolutely nothing there will be complaints that....he isn't doing a thing....it's a no win for him with certain parties.

Seriously....people stayed home in 2010 or as I believe some who purport to be Dems voted for Republicans.......that worked out real well...

Bumbling fools...you mean the Republicans who have not produced not one actionable bill impacting the economy since they have been in? Oh right....bills that impact the country socially is all they have done....


The jobs bill has been rated and the experts have said it will work....but hey....let's just ignore all of that....and decide near the end of the game to forfeit.....because it's easier to give up then back the only Democratic candidate that can win this late in the game.

You do what you gotta do....and others will do what they have to do...

[dionysus]

105. [phone]

you stated that better than i would have.

[mstinamotorcity]

106. OBAMA,OBAMA,OBAMA

Its President Obama. And as everyone knows who has third grade civics, the President can only sign what goes through Congress and gets to his desk. Instead of trying to get Obama or someone to run against him, why not get rid of the SHITTY Congress and put someone in those seats who will VOTE toward the Democratic majority so that he can sign the wonderful legislation you want into law.

[Vattel]

110. as if Obama hasn't fucked up royally on things he doesn't need Congress for.

[proud patriot]

107. dear me

[Phx_Dem]

109. You are, but that's nothing new. Most of the rest of us will be just fine thanks.

[Honeycombe8]

111. He's the best chance the Democrats have. He's the Only Game in Town. nt