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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:34 PM
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Outsourcing: I wish at least one politician would discuss it...
For me, I believe it is the reason for the mess we are in.

I don't really vilify the corporations because frankly they are in the business to make money. They save massive amounts of money outsourcing, but by doing that they are destroying our economy.

A good strong working economy means the 99% and the 1% have money flowing back and forth. We buy their products and services, they in turn create jobs and invest in our economy. This is how it was when our economy was strong. So where has all that circulating money gone?

The 1% is no longer creating jobs and investing in our economy, they are taking the money we pay them, and instead of it flowing back to us, its going to China and other countries. So the wealth of the 99% is slowly but surely decreasing. Money doesn't regenerate itself, we cannot grow in this environment with a finite amount of money that continues to shrink, there is just not enough to go around.

No amount of tax cuts, deregulation, smaller government or short term stimulus efforts is going to change the facts. We must find a way to get that 1%'s money flowing back into our economy on a permanent basis. We must find a way to make it less beneficial for companies to outsource.

We have lost tech jobs, customer service jobs, printing jobs, manufacturing jobs etc... They are not going to come back until our government makes policy and trade changes that we so desperately need.


Why won't any of them talk about this?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:41 PM
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1. Why won't any of them talk about this? ..... $$$ .....
Campaign money from the same companies that outsource.

Remember Hillary over in India praising their outsourcing comapnies prior to the 08 campaign?

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:43 PM
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2. China labour costs push jobs back to US
Rising Chinese labour costs are changing the economics of global manufacturing and could contribute to the creation of 3m jobs in the US by 2020, according to a study being released on Friday.

The Boston Consulting Group analysis says the new jobs will be generated by a “re-shoring” of manufacturing activity lost to China over the past decade.

“Re-shoring is part of a broad trend that will emerge as ... production gradually swings back to the US,” Hal Sirkin, a senior partner at the consultancy, told the Financial Times.

The Boston Consulting Group estimates that the trend could cut the US’s merchandise trade deficit with the rest of the world, excluding oil, from $360bn in 2010 to about $260bn by the end of the decade. The shift would also reduce its soaring deficit with China, which reached $273bn in 2010 and has triggered an intense political controversy over China’s exchange rate policies.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e5b774ca-f037-11e0-96d2-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=rss#axzz1aDlvzyll
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Peter1x9 Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:15 PM
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6. Rising transportation costs and wages will bring back the manufacturing, but
what about the millions of jobs that can be done over a wire (IT, tax processing, etc)?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:11 PM
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8. The jobs aren't coming from China to here: they're going to Vietnam and
Indonesia for even cheaper labor.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 02:58 PM
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3. You are absolutely on point! Poor Management of Globalization
and Trade Policy have contributed mightily to the
present joblessness in this country. This has created
a structural problem for our economy. Yes, the Financial
Meltdown is part of Globalization and the Housing Bubble
bursting brought it all to a head. If our Trade Policy
had been managed properly and our Government had looked
out for America's interests the ways other countries, ile.
China and Germany protected their own countries, we might
be a very different and better place.

The only thing I can figure is the Free Traders have the
power and they want more Trade Deals cut. It is therefore
easier to let it appear the Housing Collaps and the Wall
Street Meltdown continue to be the entire cause.

In other words, Talking about the real underlying cause
Mismanagment of Globalization and Trade Policy might
just make it more difficult to pass more Trade Deals.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:05 PM
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4. Pat Buchanan has
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 03:08 PM by HockeyMom
He even said it on Friday's Morning Joe. I don't have his exact quotes but he said that until TARIFF'S are placed on corporations who are sending manufacturing jobs to China where they pay their workers $1/hour and to India where they pay their IT help center workers $4,000 a year, we will continue to bleed jobs to overseas. Any and ALL jobs that can be done offshore for less money will contue to disapear. If this continues, NOBODY's job is safe; from teachers to doctors.

Greed. More money for the 1% and less for the 99%. We are on our way to the elimination of the Middle Class.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 03:28 PM
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5. Don't know. Must be part of a plan. We are now overpopulated,
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 03:29 PM by juajen
and with technological advances, we are certainly no longer needed. This is what happens when women are treated as brood mares. I know someone who gets aid to dependent children. She doesn't believe in birth control or abortion. She just keeps having babies. We are all taking care of those babies, and, though precious, mothers should be required to get jobs, even if we do not come out even with aid dollars. The work ethic has to be maintained, but religiosity contributes to this loophole for women. It costs all of us and there is no excuse for the right wing encouraging this behavior. I have a friend who kept a pregnant young girl in her home while she was pregnant and then counseled her on being a good mother after birth. Of course, this all stopped a few weeks after the baby was born. This was a good thing on the surface, but it is done to ameliorate the argument that the religious don't follow through with the children born out of difficult circumstances. So, these women produce more and more babies that nobody really cares for, and they either grow up to struggle and lose or turn to crime or become a baby factory themselves. After all, they are taught no differently.

To partially answer your question, the more there are of us, the less they have to pay us to work. Get it. Third world country, here we come.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:05 PM
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7. K&R
They're supping at the corporate trough. That's why they won't tell the truth about the fat cats.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:22 PM
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9. Both of our last two nominees spoke of it
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 10:29 PM by karynnj
Remember Kerry speaking of the Benedict Arnold companies?

What he and Obama spoke of is removing tax breaks that actually reward companies for this. The other thing that both sponsored were bills that would give tax breaks to companies that instead met a code that included having the vast majority of their jobs in the US.

By the way, Blue Mass has video of the question and answer on paying for college here - http://bluemassgroup.com/2011/10/reality-check-nobody-made-light-of-scott-browns-difficult-choices/#recommend-1-31210
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r0nr0ntaiwan Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 05:52 AM
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10. Taxes
There are a handful of reasons why corporations and businesses outsource. I believe the main reason, though, is taxes. On the Left, politicians can't really bring this up because they're for higher corporate taxes, or keeping corporate tax rates as high as they are.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 05:57 AM
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11. They discuss it. Just look for any speech or discussion that has the words "free trade" in it. n/t
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:23 AM
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12. You'll see that most politicians avoid complex issues where there is
no easy or simple fix...Our government/media/electorate are so geared toward the quick sound-bites, bumper stickers, buzzwords, scapegoats and catchphrases that by reflex Americans try to apply rediculously simple and ineffective solutions to difficult issues
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 11:36 AM
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13. Some talk about it, but nothing is done.
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 11:37 AM by Avalux
Of course outsourcing is a huge problem. When a corporation can go to India or China, build a plant with little or no regulations and hire people for pennies to make their products - what decision will they make?

They'll always make the decision that benefits the bottom line and increases profits. They are not loyal to the US or its citizens, they do not 'feel' obligated to stay in this country and hire Americans.

Money is the key. Staying in this country will need to be more beneficial than outsourcing, and I don't really see a solution.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 06:27 PM
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14. it is the NUMBER ONE REASON FOR UNEMPLOYMENT
politicians will NOT discuss it because they are CORPORATE-OWNED
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