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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 08:45 PM Original message |
Obama "looking forward" to shipping American jobs overseas with "free trade" bill signing |
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AnOhioan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. Free trade = bullshit, globalism = total bullshit |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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Township75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. Just doing what his corporate masters tell him to. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
4. Thanks to Obama, these trade deals "protect labor rights, the environment & intellectual property." |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. . |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 09:13 PM Original message |
It's alarming to me that the only countries we don't have a big trade deficit with are those... |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
9. Since NAFTA, US now has a massive trade deficit with Mexico |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 04:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
39. US has a massive trade deficit with much of the world (NAFTA isn't just Mexico, it's Canada too): |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 04:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
41. BTW, was reading your link, I like how it doesn't support your implication (ie, it was dishonest). |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:10 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Our trade deficit is much less with "free trade" countries than with the rest of the world. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #47 |
62. And what's our trade deficit with Mexico? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. The only point you make singles out Mexico while neglecting the rest of the world. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
77. The excel spreadsheet doesn't have deficit, and I don't know how to make excel compute it. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #41 |
60. Since NAFTA, balance of trade w/ Mexico has gone from a surplus an avg. -$50 billion/annum |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. Why are you singling out Mexico? What about Canada? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #76 |
107. Canada isn't a low-wage competitor n/t |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 05:58 AM Response to Reply #107 |
114. Hahaha, and South Korea is? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #114 |
121. Was "South Korea" part of your question or was "Canada"? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
59. Flat Out BullShit. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
79. Golly gee, that's a wonderful link. It proves the point. Only 2 have a free trade agreement! |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #79 |
108. FAIL. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 05:54 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. That was clearly poorly phrased, the rest of my posts on this matter clarify my position. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. "Poorly Phrased"... LOL |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. My links back up my position. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. That uis why I used the term "De Facto", |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Has there been ANY Obama decision you have not defended? Just curious. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. when your job goes will you still chill the eff out lol nt |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Fail.... |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. How does the Colombia deal bill that passed protect labor rights |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Simple, once labor leaders are assassinated, their rights are no longer violable, Columbia is |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #30 |
49. Don't know about ClarkUSA, but when did you stop being enamored by FDR's ideas. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:33 AM Response to Reply #49 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 08:16 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Facts are facts |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. THE FACTS are these "free trade deals" are far from any FAIR TRADE deals FDR made, educate yourself: |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:16 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. I'm comparing FDR's low-tariff policy with those of Clinton and Obama. |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
35. You still going to insist labor leaders love this FTA shit? |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
38. Then why did a majority of congressional DEMOCRATS oppose it? nt |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
68. Because when people think of protecting labor rights, |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #4 |
120. That's what they told us about NAFTA. |
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Hart2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. Recced up to zero or some negative number. NT |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. and dems wonder why labor is looking around. |
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FLyellowdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
12. Stop buying imported merchandise. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Where are you going to find made-in-USA merchandise? |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 05:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
42. Target, TJ Maxx, LL Bean, Etsy, Urban Outfitters, |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
66. I'm sorry...WHAT made-in-USA merchandise does Target and TJ Maxx sell?? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Working link to LL Bean and where their merchandise is manufactured: |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 03:54 AM Response to Reply #66 |
111. Target carries glassware, storage containers, |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
74. Wow, you obviously don't shop at Target, TJ Maxx, etc. |
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Fruittree (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 04:03 AM Response to Reply #74 |
112. Actually I do shop at Target and TJ Maxx... |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
13. Recced up to 0. Sombodies doesn't like peoples knowing what the Prez. gets up to. |
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golfguru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
14. That is pure conjecture...no one can predict future accurately |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
15. "not Wal-Mart minimum-wage McJobs" ... linking to a textile mill? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Maybe you weren't aware of it, but the year isn't 1911 |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. 1. Salary? BuwaHAHAHAHAH!!! |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. We'll assume your link contains a figure more accurate than mine |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. That's fair, for some definitions of "sharply contrasted". |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
75. Most textile jobs in the South disappeared during the 1980s-early 1990s. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #75 |
106. There are still some textile manufacturers left |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
46. if you think the loss of mill jobs isnt a problem |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
16. Yeah!!! I'm still going to vote for Obama!!!! |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
20. On trade and exports, Obama has an excellent record |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Not anymore. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Last month - "US Exports Rise to Record" |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Sounds like these bullshit deals weren't necessary, then. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
55. It sounds like they should augment a trend, and increase employment further |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 04:08 AM Response to Reply #20 |
40. We can't say that for sure for another few years, because the recession hit the world so bad... |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
21. Most repukes in the House and Senate voted for Obama's free trade bill. Most Dems opposed it. |
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bornskeptic (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 06:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
43. A majority of Democrats voted for the Korea and Columbia deals. |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:24 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Wrong. Here are some links to prove you are wrong. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
24. "The White House and Republican leaders |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Any time the White House and Republican leaders are working together... |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:50 AM Response to Reply #24 |
52. The White House and Republican leaders work for the same corporate Masters. |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
28. You have to admit, Obama is a loyal employee of his constituency (the US Chamber of Commerce), he |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
31. Wow! I feel Nixon is in office. N/T |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 01:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
100. nixon would be a Duer by todays |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 06:47 AM Response to Original message |
44. Doesn't anyone in power ever think to connect job loss and trade agreements? |
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court jester (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
45. Where *IS* Ross Perot? One would think he'd be taking a victory lap... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
51. Kerry on the agreements |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #51 |
63. TY for always being there with the facts. n/t |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Was there a "fact" anywhere in that post? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Same ole Washingtonian blather. Factless |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. I'll hold my judgement until I see the tarrifs in other countries taken down, if that is true then.. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 07:17 AM Response to Reply #51 |
102. Fact are good... |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
53. K&R |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
58. If a republican President had stabbed us in the back like this.. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Time to stop seeing them as "friends" - OWS gets it! |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
61. K&R shipping jobs over to other countries is just another bailout for the corporations. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
64. k&r Still talking one game, playing another. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
71. INCONVENIENT FACT: "UAW Applauds Passage of U.S.-South Korea Free Trade Agreement" |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Convenient fact. "part of a cynical ploy ... to split the trade union movement" |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #72 |
80. Divide and conquer is an old people busting method used by corporations too. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. LOL! Why don't you tell the UAW that? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. You don't think they're familiar with the tactic? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. What tactic? The one you made up out of thin air? Sorry, conspiracy theories are such a bore. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #87 |
103. If you think "divide and conquer" hasn't been used for decades... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Golly dude. Read the posts and thread before you post. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:27 PM Response to Reply #86 |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. That's not a fact of any kind.It's a nutty conspiracy theory via a dime a dozen HuffPo op-ed column. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Ah, now now, you're over-evaluating the craptastic articles over on HuffBlows website. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. And don't forget that proud firebagger fount of HuffPo wisdom, PUMA Jane "Blackface" Hamsher... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Not up on the whole opinion thing, I see. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. Does writing for HuffPO make Al Gore craptastic? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. About as right as your posts. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #92 |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. In your fact free world, I guess you would think that. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. More irony from you. What do you think the "op" in op-ed column stands for? LOL! |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:38 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Golly. Is Obama the only Democrat you like? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Your strawman argument and Obama-related insult is duly noted. What else is new? Yawn. |
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Puglover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #98 |
104. Edit. Not at all worth it. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #104 |
116. No, it isn't. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #98 |
110. Still don't know what a strawman is, I see. |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 07:07 AM Response to Reply #71 |
101. US farmers celebrate approval of free trade deals |
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Axrendale (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
105. I really don't understand the hullabaloo that so many on the left keep raising about free trade |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #105 |
119. "The left", "liberal critics", "reflexively screech", "hysteria" |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
109. unrec for made up headline. |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
122. At least he's not a Republican! |
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