Don't Believe The Spin: The Left Is Still Behind Obama

[ClarkUSA]

Obama Campaign Has More Donors Than All of 2007, Picks Up More Than 260,000 New Donors (July 14, 2011)
http://mentalshift.newsvine.com/_news/2011/07/14/7081415-obama-campaign-has-more-donors-than-all-of-2007-picks-up-quarter-million-new-donors

Axelrod: "12,000 individuals applied to join...as volunteer summer organizers, more than in 2008" (September 16, 2011)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x774360

... Though many of the left’s opinion makers have turned away from Obama, broader liberal flight is a phenomenon that simply doesn’t exist.

Real Clear Politics’ latest data crunching pegs the President’s average approval among Democrats at a robust 76.8%. (For comparison, in October of 1995, soon-to-be-re-elected Bill Clinton’s Democratic support was a near-identical 77%, according to Gallup.) And what of the real left? The ones whose disappointment has been given voice by people like Drew Westen to Paul Krugman? It turns out self-identified liberals’ support for Obama isn’t far behind at 72% in Gallup’s latest tracking data. (The same group gave Clinton 65% approval in a 1995 Washington Post/ABC News poll.) While Obama has seen some minor decline from the peak of his approval ratings, any change you’ve seen in the past year among liberals is likely little more than statistical noise. Here’s a chart from the first half of the summer that shows Obama garnering the same level of support from liberals in June and July that he has now.



... “Small Donors Are Slow to Return to the Obama Fold,” trumpeted A1 of the New York Times on Sept. 25, suggesting that disappearing low-dollar donations from Joe and Jane Liberal tracked with a thoroughly disillusioned base. But the Times offered only anecdotal evidence from a few dozen people... “A comparison to past campaigns (including 2008) provides little empirical evidence that donations have differed in size or timing during this early phase of the current election cycle,” writes Cornell’s Adam Seth Levine. “In fact, I would argue that small donors' behavior is not ‘slow’ at all, but instead perfectly normal.”

It’s safe to say that Team Obama knows all this.

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/10/11/believe-it-or-not-the-left-is-still-behind-obama/#ixzz1ado68JC8

[Skittles]

1. It’s safe to say that Team Obama knows all this.

:rofl:

I don't listen to SPIN - I simply imagine there are a LOT OF DEMS who FEEL THE WAY I DO

[Tunkamerica]

6. GOOD to KNOW.

LOTS of DEMS DON'T. MAYBE they're just TOO INTIMIDATED by your CAPITILIZATION SKILLS to tell YOU how they REALLY FEEL.

[Puglover]

14. And the clever and constant use of

:rofl:

[dionysus]

67. oh MY GOD.

:rofl:

that was awesome.

[tavalon]

8. And

A LOT who DON'T.

[Name removed]

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[Skittles]

50. the MAIN reason for OWS

people feel NO ONE is representing them - NO ONE - our government is FILLED with CORPORATE WHORES

[dionysus]

68. ARGLE BARGLE!!1!1

[MannyGoldstein]

2. So Obama's a shoe-in

if only Democrats are allowed to vote.

[Number23]

3. The first two responses to this thread are astounding in their nonsense

For months if not YEARS we have been bombarded with countless tales of how everyone on the "left" is so disappointed with this president. Their cousin Betty, Uncle Joe and best friends are all simply devastated and they have been liberals since Andrew Jackson was in office.

Now poll after poll after poll paint a completely different picture and people's first response is to immediately move those goals posts or my personal favorite, declare that "no real liberal" could support this president so the 6793 polls that show strong liberal support are merely "propaganda." Some of these folks could teach spin to Bill O'Reilly himself.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Do you have any facts to refute?

Or are you just into calling people namws?

[uponit7771]

19. Search DU history, the number of post claiming Obama's base has left him were gob smacking`

[MannyGoldstein]

33. The first two posts don't state otherwise nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

35. Well DU was creaming its pants over the "false" notion that Obama is losing

support among blacks. The folks making this claim had no data to back up their points, just dribble from the Corporate Media.

And don't get me started on the long list of posts that pop up on DU on a daily basis regarding primarying Obama "because the base is leaving him."

Whatever!

You don't need outside proof of anything. Just look around DU!

[Number23]

47. What "facts" did you introduce?

After bombarding this forum and this web site for God knows how long with endless threads about how "liberals" are disappointed in this president, you are presented with yet another OP that tells you that this is not the case.

What do you do? Instead of admitting that perhaps your perception may have been skewed, you immediately jump to "well he's a shoe-in if only Dems vote." Moving those goalposts as did the first post which basically said that no matter how much data she sees that proves otherwise beyond a shadow of all doubt, she will continue to think that her "disappointment" is reflective of all Dems because she "believes" that Dems think as she does.

Like I said. Nonsense. Of the seriously close-minded "I want to deny reality" kind.

[MannyGoldstein]

53. Can you produce my posts that claim most Liberals are disappointed in Obama

Certainly I and many other Democrats and Liberals are bitterly disappointed in this President. But I don't believe I ever claimed to speak for some majority.

Link or slink.

Also, the post in question claimed that my post above had made this claim. It did not.

Thanks.

[Number23]

54. Check your own journal

Since you have apparently forgotten what you've blanketed this web site with.

[MannyGoldstein]

55. In the future, please only post accusations that you can substantiate

Thanks.

[Number23]

57. Have you lost the ability to read your own posts?

I can't believe that you are honestly trying to pretend that you do not REGULARLY post and start OPs about how liberals (or you in particular) are disappointed in this president. Or get a slam in on this president every chance that you get. Really?

Even in your post pretending that you don't know what I'm talking about and demanding links you post "Certainly I and many other Democrats and Liberals are bitterly disappointed in this President."

So what exactly are you feigning confusion over?

Edit: Removed unnecessary insult.

[MannyGoldstein]

58. And again: I never claimed that most Liberals are disappointed in Obama

Or are you claiming that zero Liberals are disappointed in Obama?

[caledesi]

10. Well said 23! n/t

[NatBurner]

63. !

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. Girl, your post sums up the psych-ops taking place throughout the leftosphere.

There was an article posted here a few months back that spoke to the o.p.'s content. It was something to the effect of 'The Narrators are far angrier than the Audience', or something like that. The professionals among us, who make a comfortable living "acting progressive" including "journalists", bloggers, talking heads, activists seem to think they speak for me. Let me be clear, THEY DO NOT! And if the info in the o.p. is correct, they don't speak for most of us.
:hi:

[Ikonoklast]

27. Adam Green makes a nice living speaking for you.

Like Hamsher and other self-appointed spokespeople for the Left, when in reality they represent hardly anyone except their own self-interest.

[Logical]

59. Then he should win easily! No need to worry!

[LittleBlue]

5. So... a poll that shows 7% of Democrats and 8% of adults deserting him in 2 months

and all but one demographic has fallen below 50%..............




That is supposed to make me chill the fuck out?

[tavalon]

7. Who?

Oh, the guy I'm going to vote for in 2012 because he's the lesser of two evils. Yeah, whatever. I'm not paying any attention to him. I'm watching the real action and it isn't in the Beltway. I'm sending my money and my time elsewhere. He has my vote. That's all he gets. I still have the tire tracks on my head.

Have you noticed what is happening outside the Beltway!? Much, much more interesting than what President Equivocator is doing. But even he is starting to notice, so the next few months may just bring back the firebrand. But his election will not stop the movement.

[Sherman A1]

12. +1

He still needs to work to get my vote.

[tavalon]

16. Well, it's between him and Mittens

Not much of a difference from what I can tell. But then, who knows. They seem so different on the campaign trail, don't they?

[thelordofhell]

40. Fail

[tavalon]

64. Insightful

Not very useful but as the lord of hell, I would think your life probably sucks. Sorry.

[thelordofhell]

69. Fail x2

First you say there is no difference between President Obama and Mitt Romney (idiot fail), then you desperately try to change your subject with a foolish insult (bully fail). Double fail for you.

[Sherman A1]

70. And a Triple Fail

for being rather insulting yourself.

[thelordofhell]

71. I'm not insulting anyone

Just pointing out the failure of thinking that President Obama is Mitt Romney. Then he came back with his insulting post, then I pointed out his first failure and his insult to me.

[tavalon]

73. She, my dear

It's on my profile. reading is fundamental.

[tavalon]

72. Thank the lord

I'm toying with you, little mouse who roared!

[thelordofhell]

74. LOL!!!

And you think my life sucks!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[tavalon]

75. I have no opinion on your life

I think your debating skills leave a little to be desired, but I know nothing of your life. And you know nothing of mine.

[uponit7771]

20. Yeap, in life you ALWAYS have a clear cut choice....and there's NEVER EVER ambiguity with people

[great white snark]

38. Thanks for voting for President Obama.

Your money will be more than made up for from folks who don't share your disdain.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x796168

[jefferson_dem]

9. I wouldn't even refer to it as "spin". Nowhere near believable.

Call it what it is...a manufactured reality.

[BlueIris]

11. I don't believe spin.

That's how I know the left isn't. And neither is anyone else.

[styersc]

13. "Behind him" and not willing to allow him behind us is different.

Got tired of being stabbed in the back.

Seemingly the new meme is that he has swung "back to the people".

We'll see.

[HughBeaumont]

15. I'm only "behind" Obama because the alternative is, indeed, far . .. FAR worse.

Economically, there IS no option.

They only differ socially.

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. You mean that NYT piece that got about a zillion recs in this very forum?

:rofl:



GOBAMA! 2012! :kick:

[uponit7771]

21. Yeap, when the counter story came out it was pretty much igored. FUDrs work DU on the weekends

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. I think because the story was published in a serious publication, it got more

notice than it otherwise would. I said, at the time, the story was full of selective anecdotal bullshit, from people who may or may not have been Obama supporters in the first place. But facts don't seem to matter anymore, the anecdotes are much more colorful and incendiary. :hi:

[bvar22]

23. YEP!

That explains why there are so many "Obama 2012" signs at the OWS protests!
:party:

[CakeGrrl]

25. When 55% of them didn't even bother to vote in 2010, that's not surprising

http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/topic/occupy-wall-street-2011-10/

[frylock]

28. how many of "them" voted in 2008?

how many of "them" voted for obama in 2008?

[CakeGrrl]

36. What does that have to do with failing to exercise the right to vote in 2010?

Say hi to Ms. Spears and her political wisdom.


;-)

[frylock]

37. really? can't think of any conceivable reason people weren't encouraged to vote in 2010?

and that sig line is directed to people like you.

[Mimosa]

39. Low turnout is traditional in midterm Congressional elections.

The real 'left' has nowhere to go. Those who vote may well vote for obama in 2012. But with no real enthusiasm as we had in 2008.

[frylock]

42. i agree. but counter to DU conventional wisdom, the lefties DID vote in 2010..

it was the so-called "independants" and younger voters that sat out. i certainly plan on voting in 2011 and 2012. i may not vote the way a lot of people here demand that i vote, but i'll vote nonetheless.

[JTFrog]

24. K&R

Fired Up!

[Scurrilous]

29. K & R

:thumbsup:

[great white snark]

30. K to the R

I like posts that burst the bubble...even if for a fleeting moment.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

31. Larry O'Donnell did a great segment on this last night. Obama has more

support from Democrats overall--DU notwithstanding--than Clinton did at this point in his presidency.

[Tarheel_Dem]

32. +1. And that seems to get lost in all the noise. The "opinion makers" have a hard row to hoe.

Most of us just aren't that into them, and their obsessive Obama bashing. This was talked about on NPR a few weeks ago, there's this strange phenomenon that Pres. Obama has going for him, and that's the fact that his personal favorables have remained high, and that may be one of the deciding factors for "undecideds" in 2012. People (not the PL) actually like him. :hi:

[Dawgs]

34. His problem will be with the Indys, not the left.

Posting these polls to help you feel better about still supporting Obama won't change the fact that his overall numbers are too low.

[Mimosa]

41. Exactly so, Dawgs.

I suspect even Indys may fear Republican rule, though.

[SwampG8r]

60. the thing about indies is

given a choice between a fake republican and a real republican they always vote for the real one

[libinnyandia]

43. Independent vote in 2012

I find it hard to believe anyone who isn't a right wing wack would even consider voting for any GOP candidate sfter seeing what they say in the debates. But then again, many are independents because they are too lazy to get involved in the political process until election day, if then.

[leveymg]

44. The fact that this post has gotten all of 21 votes at this point should tell you something.

I would not conclude that Obama has political impunity to move to the right on virtually every substantive issue. It is unsound to assume the progressive base remains enthusiastic about going out to re-elect him, or that the Gallup Poll in any way reflects levels of our motivation and morale.

[Name removed]

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[slay]

45. Believe your eyes - Obama has abandoned and betrayed the left

i would not - and will not - blame them for abandoning him either.

[opihimoimoi]

48. The GOP Replacements on the OVAL BENCH appears inadequate to take advantage of the WEAKENED OBAMA

Even while Obama appears vulnerable to attack....his overall strengths may carry the day in the face of the GOPer wannabe's

weak approach....

The GOPers are hard pressed to make their case these days....too much TRUTHs out there

[treestar]

49. Rec'd

Around here, you'd think it would be the moderates who were at the top.

[Umbral]

51. Yeah, they're behind him, only because he ran over them. nt

[Skittles]

52. LOL.....STOP IT UMBRAL

:rofl:

[MissDeeds]

56. Good one!

And sadly all too true.

:thumbsup:

[ClassWarrior]

61. Of course we do. It's the wishy-washy, too-weak-to-take-a-stand "centrists" like...

...Nelson and Tester who aren't behind the President. Not those of us who hold the strongest Democratic values.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

62. .

[ClassWarrior]

66. .

[seaglass]

65. So wtf was Melissa Harris Perry talking about? And why did so many on DU take her seriously? n/t