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Thu Oct-20-11 05:35 PM
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Poll question: Was The Summary Execution Of Muammar Gaddafi Justified? |
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:37 PM
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1. No, it is never justified, but sometimes inevitable. |
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:38 PM
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I oppose the death penalty and vigilante justice but sometimes there is a difference between vigilante justice and spontaneous moral outrage.
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Thu Oct-20-11 09:05 PM
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30. Conceptualize it anyway you care to |
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the result is unsurprising. The rebels, from all description were by no means a "well regulated militia". Many I am sure had lost friends in the fight. That they may have taken an opportunity to even the score is entirely predictable. It would have been far more surprising to me if he had survived capture.
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:37 PM
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2. No, a strongly worded message would have been sufficient. |
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:39 PM
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Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 05:39 PM by ProSense
"Summary Execution"
...needs to take certain phrases away from some people. Here a term is being applied to an ongoing conflict between two armed forces, the result of a revolution.
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:41 PM
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7. Right, premise of question/poll flawed. |
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Thu Oct-20-11 06:05 PM
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:39 PM
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5. If only real life could be reduced to a yes or no poll |
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things would be so much simpler.
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:40 PM
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6. I don't think I could say it was or it wasn't. |
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On one hand, I would have much rather have seen him captured and handed over to international authorities, to be held for trial in either the Hague or in Libya itself.
On the other hand, Ghaddafi was killed by the same environment he helped to created. He was treated exactly as he taught his people to treat enemies. Had Ghaddafi used the power of his regime to create a government that was at least semi-just and had he granted the right of due process to the citizens he was in charge of, then I might be a bit more apt to be outraged over the way his capture and killing happened. But I can't be mad at a bunch of people who were doing exactly what he spent his many decades in power teaching them to do.
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:43 PM
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8. Revolutions Are By Nature And Definition Messy |
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Thu Oct-20-11 06:09 PM
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15. A trial would have brought some inconvenient facts and associations to light |
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"WE" and NATO knew a trial would be very inconvenient.
Just now, at least CNN was mentioning the tremendous amounts of oil reserves in Libya.
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Thu Oct-20-11 06:22 PM
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19. The Irony Doesn't Escape Me But I'm A Realist |
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It is ironic that the "west" gave Khadafy a "get out of jail free" card and them discarded him when he was vulnerable and no longer useful but that's an occupational hazard for despots. Kind of like joining the mob.
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Thu Oct-20-11 06:24 PM
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21. We nor NATO executed him. |
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Thu Oct-20-11 06:27 PM
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22. But It Is Ironic How We "Rehabilitated" Him After He "Forswore" Terrorism And Then Abandoned Him |
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Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 06:36 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Same game we played with Saddam Hussein.
I am not saying they weren't bad guys and didn't get what they deserve but polititcs, especially international politics, isn't for the faint hearted.
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:43 PM
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9. Whatever one wants to call justice raining down on Gaddafi today... |
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...it was perfectly justified.
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:47 PM
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We killed a bad guy.
Libyans are freer today than yesterday.
And the president's enemies on the left and right are apoplectic.
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:49 PM
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11. I don't condone it, but I understand it. n/t |
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:50 PM
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12. I have no idea, but I do know Gaddafi is not the guy I want to take my stand on. n/t |
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Thu Oct-20-11 05:55 PM
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13. It sure as hell was to the people who did it. |
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Thu Oct-20-11 06:10 PM
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And in the future 'WE' may find an Islamist dominated Libya troublesome indeed.
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Thu Oct-20-11 06:11 PM
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17. that would be a good question for the Libyans to answer. |
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The US is not actually the center of the US.
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Fri Oct-21-11 12:41 AM
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33. "The US is not actually the center of the US." |
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Thu Oct-20-11 06:12 PM
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I doubt he would have survived that initial abdominal wound and the massive blood loss shown in the videos. The head shot killed him a few hours sooner.
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Thu Oct-20-11 06:23 PM
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20. I say no. Ben Laden and his ilk, yes. |
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Thu Oct-20-11 06:33 PM
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23. We didn't execute him so I don't give a shit. |
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Good fucking riddance.
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Thu Oct-20-11 07:24 PM
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24. Ask the Libyans. I'm guessing they'll come down on the side of justice served. |
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Thu Oct-20-11 07:29 PM
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25. Looking at the video sickened me. I hate when we glorify death even if it is a dictator. |
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Thu Oct-20-11 07:33 PM
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Thu Oct-20-11 08:01 PM
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27. With a guy like this, you shoot first and ask questions later. |
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Edited on Thu Oct-20-11 08:01 PM by DCBob
cant take the risk of escape and who knows what he might have had planned as a last gasp effort to go out in a blaze of glory.
Congratulations to the rebels! Well done.
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Thu Oct-20-11 08:03 PM
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Thu Oct-20-11 08:04 PM
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29. I think you need to define "summary execution" first |
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Its usually difficult to perform a summary execution on an armed guy, surrounded by armed guys, who has promised to fight to the last drop of blood.
He got exactly what he asked for - no hand-wringing necessary for once.
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Thu Oct-20-11 09:24 PM
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A summary execution is a variety of execution in which a person is killed on the spot without trial or after a show trialhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_execution
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Thu Oct-20-11 11:57 PM
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32. and in this case it was justified. |
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