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nmbluesky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:01 PM Original message |
Obama announces full withdrawal from Iraq |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. "Troops" |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. "U.S. To Hand Over Iraq Bases, Equipment Worth Billions" |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. the U,S, eventually balked at maintaining a residual force because Iraq has refused to grant ... |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Right. We're graciously leaving because we're being thrown out. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. as though Iraq was the site of some heroic U.S. victory over something--speak for yourself, DirkGent |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. Do you have a response to the substance of my post? |
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Cigar11 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
43. Once again ... fine with me. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
91. As we should be. Its their decision and we should honor it |
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Cigar11 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Well ... that's where the Oil is! |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. Great. Are we taking the our $600 million dollar, Vatican City -sized embassy with us? |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Good question |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:12 PM Original message |
Why would we remove our embassy from a country we HAVE DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH??? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
13. So, upon recognizing our unjust & illegal invasion, we're entitled to leave a city-sized outpost? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
61. We have similar embassies in other countries. It is the new model. New US Embassies... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Why should we? We're giving Iraqis all of the military bases and billions in equipment. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. and that hardly covers the damage our rapacious military did to their country nt |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Good news! now let's quit paying the parasite leech corporate war profiteers. Let Iraqis pay them nt |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Speak for yourself. PM Maliki and the Iraqi parliament have no complaints. |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. talk to Dim Son about that. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
71. The majority of equipment we had in Iraq has already been sent to Afghanistan. n/t |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Will we not need an embassy there? I guess I don't understand |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Respectfully, you do understand. This is an outpost in a country we invaded on false pretenses. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Actually, I do understand. I regret that it was built. I regret that |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Then I'm sure you understand the concern is a continued U.S. presence beyond "diplomacy." |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Do you have something I could look at that indicates that such |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Can we infer you don't build a fortified city with machine-gun nests & 5,000 guards to hold parties? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Looks like a stupid idea. Whose administration created this thing? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. For god's sake, can we talk about the problem if we agree it's not Obama's fault? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Apparently not. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. We're not getting out of Iraq. We're moving into another phase of being in Iraq. Period. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
63. See my #61 |
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GoCubsGo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. No, we're going to dig it up... |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Please tell me you can justify a $600 million, city-sized outpost in a country we invaded on a lie. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. It's already THERE now. You wanna spend millions tearing it down? And put our ambassador where??? |
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Fla Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
42. City sized? It is 104 Acres , or less than 1/4 square mile. n/t |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. It's about the size of the Vatican, which technically is a country. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. Please see upthread, we have similar embassies in other countries. nt |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. No we don't. This is the largest "embassy" in the world. Please learn the facts. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. I know the facts. I've seen the US Embassies in Panama and Kenya with my own two eyes |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Perhaps you missed the "largest 'embassy' in the world" fact. Why would that be in Iraq? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Again, what US embassies have you seen in person? |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
72. The Vatican is its own country 'due to it having its own laws' NOT due to size. n/t |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Well now we can say the Vatican is a "U.S. Iraq embassy-sized country." |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Which means exactly nothing. nt |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Sure. Pay no attention to the 104-acre armed compound we're leaving in your country. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. As the host country, they can tell us to vacate it and choose a smaller venue at any time. nt |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. I lost a passport last week in Europe |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. This embassy is the size of the Vatican with supposedly 15,000 diplomatic personnel |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. It's U.S. Basecamp, Middle East. Nevermind how we got it or what it's for. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Our presence in Germany is substantial |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Does Iraq have a choice? Did we invade & occupy Germany on a lie? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
60. Yes Iraq has a choice |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. We have a choice as to whether Bush's vision of a massive permanent U.S. presence is right. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Perhaps you missed the news yesterday |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. He's upset because he is losing a reason to be mad at Obama and he doesnt want that. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Who's mad? I love the fact Iraq refused Obama's proposal to keep troops past Bush's deadline. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Exactly, Iraq was not WWII, & we didn't invade to save Europe. We have no right to occupy it. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. "occupy"? Bullshit. PM Maliki and the Iraqi parliament have no problem with it. |
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Harmony Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. It will end up being turned into a night club |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. If it doesn't fall down due to all the contractor fraud that went into building it. |
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Harmony Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. So true |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. Hahaha. Stupidest post so far today. Nt |
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Harmony Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. Need to inject a little humor here and there |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. Yeah, it made me chuckle a bit. :) |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm sorry, this pony is brindle, |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. ha |
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tanyev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
68. Heh. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
8. Another PROMISE KEPT by this NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER PRESIDENT. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Are you overlooking his torture camps, illegal rendition, and assassinations? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. On Jan. 22, 2009, President Obama signed a detailed executive order on torture and extreme rendition |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
66. I've debunked the torture camps and illegal rendition items before. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
14. What good news. |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
33. a day late and many dollars short |
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Harmony Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I love that picture |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
45. will the returning soldiers be sent to the Afghanistnam meat grinder? Just askin'... |
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great white snark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. I did. It's our job if need be. Your "concern" is misplaced. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. No... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. "U.S. Afghanistan drawdown begins... the first 10K troops will come home by the end of the year" |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. have you ever heard of "troop rotation"? Fresh troops WILL fill the Afghanistnam meat grinder. nt |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
46. The posts up-thread are awesomely tasty. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. If Obama doesn't tear the embassy down it doesn't count, man!!!111ELEVENS |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. You don't share the "goalpost" of getting the U.S. out of Iraq? As in, OUT? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. I'm not into severing diplomatic relations with Iraq to satisfy your idea of 'Out' no. nt |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. Which country we have "diplomatic relations" with keeps 5,000 security guards in 100 acre compound? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-22-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Because you don't have a clue what you are talking about. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. The Obama angle is all yours. Leaving a giant fort in Iraq was Bush's idea. And it's unjustified. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-23-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. You're ignorance is telling. Let me guess, you have never been to a US embassy overseas, right? |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Your "this is the new normal" red herring is delicious. Any response to the substance of my post? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. So, you don't want to admit that you have never seen a US embassy in person? nt |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. I guess many of us don't really share all this angst about a diplomatic headquarters in Iraq, |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. +1 |
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AngkorWot (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. I haven't been so upset since Madison invaded Canada. |
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