Howarfd Dean's second thoughts.

[Tippy]

He spoke in anger..Whan he said "KILL the Bill"

This is exactly what I feared happening: Biden gets it right......

"If the bill passes the Senate this week, there will be more chances to make changes to it before it becomes law. But if the bill dies this week, there is no second chance to vote yes. What those who care about health insurance reform need to realize is that unless we get 60 votes now, there will be no health care reform at all. Not this year, not in this Congress -- and maybe not for another generation."

-- Vice President Joe Biden, writing for the New York Times on health care reform

I realize people are disappointed so am I, but I still believe a piece of the pie is better than no pie

Could we have waited a generation?

[madfloridian]

1. We are all so happy now.

Let's bring out the cheering.

They sent out everyone they had against him...the WH the Media, the VP.

[FrenchieCat]

2. Shouldn't this be about Health Care, and not so much about Howard Dean?

Gov. Dean chose to go on television and pen an op.
He's a straight talking man who knows the score....
not a baby.

I respect him a great deal,
and I'm glad he soften his stance....
because he knows a bill was better than none.

He's a rational reasonable team player at the end,
and I support him for it.

[DJ13]

4. Funny, you kept quiet when Gibbs spoke against Dean last week

[FrenchieCat]

9. and how are you? But actually I did not keep quiet.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=79168&mesg_id=79216


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[Cha]

13. I guess you don't know everything afterall.

[madfloridian]

5. It should be about health care and people. Not about Obama.

Did you see what the WH sent out to blast Dean this week? Their whole arsenal.

[Kahuna]

6. It also shouldn't be about Howard Dean. He seems to get that. nt

[madfloridian]

10. It also doesn't seem to be about people.

The two options most favored are gone gone gone.

Aren't we so very glad that Howard Dean came to his senses?

[HughMoran]

15. It's entirely about people

...unless you think the 31 million who will be able to get insurance now are just "numbers".

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[Tippy]

22. Howard Dean is one of my favorite people DFA did a lot to help

Get this bill where it is at today...I really cringed when he said Kill The Bill, but Howard knows what he is doing. I know you remember, how Republicans reacted after the scream, which I never saw as a real scream any way. But they ended his bid for the WH. He woke up a lot of people with his statement on HCR. It was something that needed to be said. To push the Dem Senators, this morning I am hearing the House might looking at ways to get the PO back in...

Rahm may like to believe he is somehow responsible for the fifty state part in HCR, but we all know exactly where the Fifty State Strategy came from, and so does the WH. No one can take that away from Howard Dean.

[freddie mertz]

3. I love Big Brother. nt.

[tblue]

7. Why couldn't it be reintroduced? Never understood that.

Not saying that's what we should do, but I don't understand the now oir never argument.

[Tippy]

8. When Republicans realized most Americans really did want reform...

They knew they were in in world of hurt...If we had been able to get what we really wanted they would have been out in the cold for years to come....So they started throwing everything they had in their arsenal our way...to derail the process...Now if one or both houses of congress had decided to table the bill to get more of what we wanted it would have been doomed...This is one reason I believe...there was such a rush...Just think how long it took to get to this point...60 plus or 40 plus years is a long time...

[damonm]

19. Name me ONE time...

that a bill has gotten this far, been withdrawn by its proponents, and reemerged as a stronger version of itself with the same President and Congress sitting.
Then ask that question again.

[Clio the Leo]

11. Yum ..... pie. NT

[Honeycombe8]

12. I know how he feels. I'm not as angry as I was initially. But he's been "spoken to."

Obama's W.H. never liked him. That was apparent when he didn't get chosen for a cabinet position. It was a giant slap in the face. And when Rahm Emmanuel was hailed on TV as being the creator of the 50-state strategy that lead to Obama's win, when Dean was the creator...the writing was never clearer.

Now that Dean has boldly gone where no Democrat has gone....slapping down what's being hailed as a "historical" bill, he was on the verge of being ostracized and kicked out of the national scene entirely. "Irrelevant" was what Gibbs called him.

So....that's politics.

[madfloridian]

14. I just put the video up in DU video.

From MSNBC today.

What I am seeing posted all over this board does not even sound like the same interview.

Watch, read what I posted, and see the spin for what it is.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x416005

[vaberella]

17. Dean's a waste. nt

[Garam_Masala]

18. Sorry but this particular pie smells of sulphur

No Single Payer.
This system is true HCR. Everything else is hodge podge.
With SP, every living person is in the same pool, and paying
on their ability to pay based on income. So simple yet so elegant.

P.O missing.
Not as good as SP, but the ONLY way to make sure there is competition
to the for profit private health insurance industry.

No re-import of Drugs.
This is missing from both bills as far as I know. Are you aware Big Pharma
passed on to us 11% increase this year? If this bill is not a bonanza for
Big Pharma with mandates and subsidized additional customers then I have
a bridge in Minnesota I can sell you.

No limits on insurance premiums.
Sure they can't drop you or refuse you. But they can jack up premiums
for all their customers until there is enough profit to pay big bonuses.
Why no limits on CEO pay when the TARP recipients and Bailout recipients
are subjected to restrictions?

To sum up, I don't see much cost reduction to health care in these bills.
Big Pharma and Big Insurance are the Big winners. If you don't believe me,
please check their stock performance on Wall Street.

[madfloridian]

20. Notes from the video.

"Norah says doesn't this bill just require 30 million people to buy into an already broken system?

Dean agrees. He says there is almost no health reform at all. Says a little moderate insurance reform.

He hesitating says he "thinks" the bill should go to conference. He says some of that is emotional. He sees the Republicans who haven't lifted a finger to do anything on health care for many decades. He commends Sheldon Whitehouse for calling them out.

He says as a result of some of the discussions that went on after he spoke out some improvements were put into the bill.

Norah stupidly asks him why he is allowing Democrats to vote for the bill? Does she not understand he has no say? He grins and corrects her. She is simply foolish in my mind.

He says what the insurance companies got were about 30 million new customers without much control on cost.

He says he thinks it should be allowed to go to conference though he does not like the bill. He makes that plain. He think the House bill might be able to make it better in conference."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x416005

I can not believe the stuff told about this interview.

[madfloridian]

21. Kick for the truth...

and because I was ridiculed in this post.

[dkf]

23. I will laugh at you guys when the bill comes back completely inadequate and Howard says

Kill the bill.