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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 05:22 AM
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Support for HCR Increasing, Particularly Among Dems
http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/12/21/16546/353

Support for HCR Increasing, Particularly Among Dems
by Jonathan Singer, Mon Dec 21, 2009 at 04:54:06 PM EST


Greg Sargent has the details:

{T}he internals of the new CNN poll contain a striking finding: Support for the Senate bill is up among Democratic voters. What's more, Obama's support has increased among liberals.

The poll finds that support overall for the Senate health care bill has jumped six points, to 42%, since early December. That's a sizable jump, though overall 56% oppose it.

But here's the interesting part: The poll also found that approval of the Senate bill has jumped 10 points among Dems in the same time period -- a time period during which the Medicare buy-in was dropped. That's a faster rise than overall. What's more, it has jumped by the same number among young voters -- who are presumably more liberal.

On top of that, the poll also says that Obama's overall approval among liberals has gone up, to 81%.


This isn't a perfect bill. But it's also not a bad bill, either. And the American public, particularly Democrats, appear to be warming to the proposal. To a large extent this coalescing of support is tied to the procedural success of the bill; as the bill moves closer to becoming a law, and thus a procedural success, more are jumping on the bandwagon. That said, as the public sees that the legislation nearly through the Senate expands healthcare coverage for 31 million Americans while greatly reducing the deficit, it's understandable that more would come around to supporting the bill.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 05:27 AM
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1. This will end badly for EVERYONE. eom
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:15 AM
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2. I'm underwhelmed by your insightful analysis n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:04 AM
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11. And not doing this will end more badly
I support better not worse.

If you'd like to discuss, I'm up for it. :hi:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 09:27 AM
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3. I think the frustration by many had nothing to do with the bill....
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 09:27 AM by Clio the Leo
.... and everything to do with the grand stall.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 09:42 AM
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4. Yes. The process.
Which exposed our government as dysfunctional and our representatives as completely beholden to the corporations. And in the endgame willing to sell their support for $100 million in Medicaid funding for their state (Nelson, Landrieu).

Which is not a bad outcome for the most in need, but portrays Senators almost as slaveowners.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 09:45 AM
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6. It's not disfunctional.....
.... they pass bills every week and no one pays any attention.

This is the biggest piece of legislation most of us will see in our lifetimes and is not typical of the process.

And I'll be glad when it's over.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 09:42 AM
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5. This is to be expected. You had guys like Dean who spoke first and thought second
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 09:50 AM by NJmaverick
now people are hearing for those that took their time and studied and pondered and THEN gave their opinions. Those opinions have been overwhelmingly for the bill. So people are getting the message.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 09:46 AM
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7. The fact that the Democratic caucus in the Senate is at least in agreement about that...
..... says a lot. 59 guys (and ladies) who rarely agree on ANYTHING at least united in passing this bill. Says volumes about its importance.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 09:58 AM
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8. In many ways this is a historic accomplishment
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:01 AM
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9. An historic betrayal of Democratic principles and of the promises made by the pres.
Mark my words, the repercussions will be felt.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:04 AM
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10. You are wrong on both counts
Here is the facts to dispute your promise claim

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/


As for Democratic principles we are about helping people. Insuring the uninsured is doing just that.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:12 AM
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13. You are ignoring the facts.
Obama lied on PO, on taxing benefits, and mandates.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:17 AM
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14. Yet what you claimed he said doesn't hold up to being googled
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:08 AM
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12. K&R
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:56 AM
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15. I think all this says is that
some Dems are willing to give Obama a second chance even though many wanted a Public Option. A majority still oppose it though, and the jump in numbers likely represent more Dems compromising to the Party. Not totally unexpected...fools have been played before and they'll be played again.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:58 AM
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16. Obama can sell this bill if there are true cost controls, lets see if this happens
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