Sen. Sanders "At the end of the day 25 million more people will get health insurance"

[grantcart]

His broader statement on Matthews Hardball included wishing that there was a public option. He then listed a number of things including 20,000 more primary care physicians.

While it is not the bill he wanted there is no asterisk on his support.

[Davis_X_Machina]

1. Corporatist. Hack. Sellout. Tool.

SINO.

Just wanted to be first.

[glitch]

27. He bargains well for his constituents in Vermont.

It would interesting to see what he could do on a national scale.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

43. SINO

Took me a second.

:rofl:

I thought for a minute there you were suggesting he was Asian...

[Davis_X_Machina]

46. I sooo wanted to be the first person to use it. n/t

[Cant trust em]

2. 20,000 more PCPs?

How is this obtained? Funding for this? What's the financial incentive?

[grantcart]

3. I was surprised at that too

In the manager's report on the Senate bill there is a long list of "pilot programmes".

One of these has to do with finding incentives away from pay for services to outcome, so maybe some of these programs are aimed at PCP.

Maybe he thinks that this will happen because of market demand.

[tekisui]

4. Could some of the PCPs come from the Community Clinics Sanders

had put in?

[Cant trust em]

6. The long-term solution is making primary care more lucrative

If doctors have thousands of dollars in med school loans, I'm not surprised that many of them go into specialties. I wouldn't mind seeing some loan forgiveness for students who want to stay in general practice.

[goclark]

11. More PCP would be a very good thing

It sure helps when people like you know how to read all the fine print stuff.

Thanks so much

[BeFree]

7. How$$$?

We borrow it, duh!!

I get it that everyone here wants free health care but no one wants to pay for it. I get it. I really do. So why don't we just borrow more so that everyone gets it?

[Cant trust em]

9. If this bill cuts costs as CBO projects, then this isn't going to be borrowed money.

Right?

[BeFree]

12. Heh

We are living on borrowed money. Duh.

But the point is that we all want free health care, right? Who doesn't? So, how do we pay for it?

[Cant trust em]

13. New taxes and savings from other programs. nt

[BeFree]

16. So, actually...

...you do trust them?

Not me, I can't trust 'em. Never did. Live with 'em? Yeah, but trust them? Nah.
We are living on borrowed money. In debt. Broke. And that's why you can't trust them.

[Cant trust em]

18. I've come to a bit of an understanding on certain things.

Actually I'd really like to change that name. It's a remnant of the Bush years.

Some people you can trust some of the time on some things.

It's complicated.

If I couldn't trust anyone ever, then staying involved doesn't really have much meaning. What's the point in paying attention if you thought that everything that was said had no validity. You might as well just bury your head in the sand. I haven't resigned myself to complete cynicism.

[BeFree]

20. Yeah

You should change that name, then.

It isn't that you can't believe them about nothing, it is just that you can't trust them to always have your best interests at heart.

That is why our government has proven to be the best so far. We don't have to trust them, and we can question them at every step without getting Gitmo'd. At least it was that way.

[Cant trust em]

22. Do you know how to change a screen name?

I haven't spent much time figuring it out.

[BeFree]

25. You can ask, but..

You can't trust them to let you.

<grin>

After the ruckus over hellth care they may just have a name change amnesty, again?

[KrR]

40. Are you in the wrong place?

We are for MORE taxes and MORE Government.

[Better Believe It]

5. I don't want overpriced private health insurance with few benefits. I want healthcare!

[TwilightGardener]

24. What does that even mean?

[KrR]

41. It means he has run out of arguments... n/t

[Aramchek]

31. Is that why you fight to maintain the status quo?

[cali]

32. I have now, what will presumably be available under this legislation

I have private insurance subsidized and administered by the state. I have real access to health care including mental health and dental. I pay $60 a month with a $10 co-pay for office visits.

[Armstead]

8. Sanders /nt

[mdmc]

10. +1

[Dennis Donovan]

14. Maybe grantcart meant:

:D

[Rhiannon12866]

17. Which state?

:shrug:

[Dennis Donovan]

28. Heavily intoxicated state:

[Rhiannon12866]

38. I still don't get it...

:shrug:

I don't claim to know every senator, but as you know, I can immediately recognize both the best and the worst, LOL, some even by voice... ;)

[Dennis Donovan]

39. I'm sorry - it's an AbFab reference...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yjdTo6JT8U

The pic in my previous post is of Eddy Monsoon (Played by Jennifer Saunders) and Patsy Stone (played by Joanna Lumley)...:)

[Rhiannon12866]

47. Okay. I'm not familiar...

Should I remember that? :shrug:

And I hardly claim to know every single senator, though I'm not too bad on that, but there are a couple of men (one lipless :rofl:), who could be easily mistaken for old ladies... ;)

[grantcart]

21. thanks and changed

I thought it was Saunders


I wonder how many times I have mispelled it.

[Armstead]

23. A few but that;'s okay...We've all done some doozies with spelling

I still never know if it's Hilary or Hillary.

[apocalypsehow]

15. Hold that bus! I know it's gettin' crowded under there, but we gotta make room for another one...

[KrR]

44. At least we won't have to look at so many Kucinich avatars soon..

hopefully.

[Better Today]

19. That number is getting awfully fluid. I've heard anywhere from 38K to 20K

what's up with that?

[depakid]

26. Yep- high deductible, high copay junk insurance that they can't afford to use

and that won't keep them out of bankruptcy if they or a family member is injured or falls serious ill.

What's more- since the bill encourages these sorts of policies- degradation of existing coverages will continue at an accelerated pace, as costs continue to rise well above the rate of inflation (or wages).

And- get this- since ERISA preemption is still in place, group insurers can (and in many cases will) continue to deny valid claims in bad faith- and there will be effectively no recourse for patient.insureds!

What a deal.

[KrR]

42. It will keep people out of Bankruptcy... that is the whole point

[Fire1]

29. And health clinics across the country to reduce the excessive

costs of emergency room care.

[Odin2005]

30. Health insurance isn't health CARE.

It's paying a corporation for shitty coverage they fight tooth and nail so that they don't have to pay out.

[depakid]

33. As people discover that they've been had- and the abuses continue

while premiums rise and coverages degrade, this is going to be a political disaster rivaling Bush's war.

In addition to the above market incentives- consider the regulatory incentives:

Insurers are permitted to sell policies “across state lines”, exempting patient protections passed in other states. Insurers will thus set up in the least regulated states in a race to the bottom threatening public protections won by consumers in various states;

Anti-trust exemptions remain in place;

Insurers can charge four times more based on age plus more for certain conditions, and continue to use marketing techniques to cherry-pick healthier, less costly enrollees (adverse selection);

Insurers may continue to rescind policies for “fraud or intentional misrepresentation” – the main pretext insurance companies now use to cancel coverage.

Minimal oversight on insurance denials of care; a report by the California Nurses Association/NNOC in September found that six of California’s largest insurers have rejected more than one-fifth of all claims since 2002- and with ERISA preemption still in place, patient/insureds under group plans will have no adequate recourse in civil courts for bad faith claims denial.

Inadequate limits on drug prices due to a White House deal with pharmaceutical giants, disallowing pharmacies and wholesalers to import lower-cost drugs.

Good thing Obama told us that health insurers aren't bad people! 'cause people's lives and livelihoods now depend on them putting people over exorbitant profits- and will in America for the foreseeable future (or until the next round of meltdowns creates a climate for "change we can believe in)

[budkin]

34. Yes, they will get health insurance... or else.

[salguine]

35. Goddammit, "insurance" is not "health care".

[KrR]

45. Yes and money is not food either but what is your point n/t

[eridani]

36. They will get useless pieces of crap that don't actually cover much n/t

[saltpoint]

37. Yeah, Sanders said that, but Sanders is a hyper-conservative corporate

puppet.

O wait.

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