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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 05:58 PM
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Why Obama will beat the haters from both sides
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 05:59 PM by impik
Frank Schaeffer call it like it is:

Before he'd served even one year President Obama lost the support of the easily distracted Left and engendered the white hot rage of the hate-filled Right. But some of us, from all walks of life and ideological backgrounds --- including this white, straight, 57-year-old, former religious Rightwing agitator, now progressive writer and (given my background as the son of a famous evangelical leader) this unlikely Obama supporter --- are sticking with our President. Why? Because he is succeeding.

We faithful Obama supporters still trust our initial impression of him as a great, good and uniquely qualified man to lead us.

Obama's steady supporters will be proven right. Obama's critics will be remembered as easily panicked and prematurely discouraged at best and shriveled hate mongers at worst...

Not since the days of the rise of fascism in Europe, the Second World War and the Depression has any president faced more adversity. Not since the Civil War has any President led a more bitterly divided country. Not since the introduction of racial integration has any President faced a more consistently short-sighted and willfully ignorant opposition - from both the Right and Left.

As the President's poll numbers have fallen so has his support from some on the Left that were hailing him as a Messiah not long ago; all those lefty websites and commentators that were falling all over themselves on behalf of our first black president during the 2008 election.

The Left's lack of faith has become a self-fulfilling "prophecy" --- snipe at the President and then watch the poll numbers fall and then pretend you didn't have anything to do with it!

Here is what Obama faced when he took office-- none of which was his fault:

An ideologically divided country to the point that America was really two countries
Two wars; one that was mishandled from the start, the other that was unnecessary and immoral
The worst economic crisis since the depression
America's standing in the world at the lowest point in history
A country that had been misled into accepting the use of torture of prisoners of war
A health care system in free fall
An educational system in free fall
A global environmental crisis of history-altering proportions (about which the Bush administration and the Republicans had done nothing)
An impasse between culture warriors from the Right and Left
A huge financial deficit inherited from the terminally irresponsible Bush administration…

What did the Republicans and the religious Right, libertarians and half-baked conspiracy theorists --- that is what the Republicans were reduced to by the time Obama took office --- do to "help" our new president (and our country) succeed? They claimed that he wasn't a real American, didn't have an American birth certificate, wasn't born here, was secretly a Muslim, was a white-hating "racist", was secretly a communist, was actually the Anti-Christ, (!) and was a reincarnation of Hitler and wanted "death panels" to kill the elderly!

They not-so-subtly called for his assassination through the not-so-subtle use of vile signs held at their rallies and even a bumper sticker quoting Psalm 109:8. They organized "tea parties" to sound off against imagined insults and all government in general and gathered to howl at the moon. They were led by insurance industry lobbyists and deranged (but well-financed) "commentators" from Glenn Beck to Rush Limbaugh.

The utterly discredited Roman Catholic bishops teamed up with the utterly discredited evangelical leaders to denounce a President who was trying to actually do something about the poor, the environment, to diminish the number of abortions through compassionate programs to help women and to care for the sick! And in Congress the Republican leadership only knew one word: "No!"

In other words the reactionary white, rube, uneducated, crazy American far Right,combined with the educated but obtuse neoconservative war mongers, religious Right shills for big business, libertarian Fed Reserve-hating gold bug, gun-loving crazies, child-molesting acquiescent "bishops", frontier loons and evangelical gay-hating flakes found one thing to briefly unite them: their desire to stop an uppity black man from succeeding at all costs!

What did the Left do to help their newly elected President? Some of them excoriated Obama because they disagreed with the bad choices he was being forced to make regarding a war in Afghanistan that he'd inherited from the worst president in modern history!

Others stood up and bravely proclaimed that the President's economic policies had "failed" before the President even instituted them! Others said that since all gay rights battles had not been fully won within virtually minutes of the President taking office, they'd been "betrayed"! (Never mind that Obama's vocal support to the gay community is stronger than any other President's has been. Never that mind he signed a new hate crimes law which included language punishing hate crimes against homosexuals for the first time!)

Those that had stood in transfixed legions weeping with beatific emotion on Election Night turned into an angry mob saying how "disappointed" they were that they'd not all immediately been translated to heaven the moment Obama stepped into the White House! Where was the "change"? Contrary to their expectations they were still mere mortals!

And the legion of young new supporters was too busy texting to pay attention for longer than a nanosecond… "Governing"?! What the hell does that world, uh, like mean?"

The President's critics Left and Right all had one thing in common: impatience laced with little-to-no sense of history (let alone reality) thrown in for good measure. Then, of course, there were the white, snide know-it-all commentators/talking heads who just couldn't imagine that maybe, just maybe they weren't as smart as they thought they were and certainly not as smart as their President. He hadn't consulted them, had he? So he must be wrong!


Meanwhile back in the reality-based community --- in just 12 short months --- President Obama:

Continued the draw down the misbegotten war in Iraq
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Thoughtfully and decisively picked the best of several bad choices regarding the war in Afghanistan
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Gave a major precedent-setting speech supporting gay rights
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Restored America's image around the globe
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Banned torture of American prisoners
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Stopped the free fall of the American economy
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Put the USA squarely back in the bilateral international community
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Put the USA squarely into the middle of the international effort to halt global warming
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Stood up for educational reform
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Won a Nobel peace prize
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Moved the trial of terrorists back into the American judicial system of checks and balances
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Did what had to be done to start the slow, torturous and almost impossible process of health care reform that 7 presidents had failed to even begin
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Responded to hatred from the Right and Left with measured good humor and patience
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Stopped the free fall of job losses
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Showed immense personal courage in the face of an armed and dangerous far Right opposition that included the sort of disgusting people that show up at public meetings carrying loaded weapons and carrying Timothy McVeigh-inspired signs about the "blood of tyrants" needing to "water the tree of liberty"...
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Showed that he could not only make the tough military choices but explain and defend them brilliantly
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

After Obama has served two full terms, (and he will), after his wisdom in moving deliberately and cautiously with great subtlety on all fronts --- with a canny and calculating eye to the Possible succeeds, (it will), after the economy is booming and new industries are burgeoning, (they will be), after the doomsayers are all proven not just wrong but silly: let the record show that not all Americans were panicked into thinking the sky was falling.

Just because we didn't get everything we wanted in the first short and fraught year Obama was in office not all of us gave up. Some of us stayed the course. And we will be proven right...


Amen.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7595



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:01 PM
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:01 PM
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2. Obama, Goldman Sachs, & the health lobbyists are Up Against The World
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 06:04 PM by brentspeak
Songs should be written about their epic struggle. Movies. Legends.

With the help of the similarly-oppressed millionaire charter-school investors and billionaire major bank CEO's, they will overcome.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:07 PM
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3. "Immense personal courage" ? To say "YES" to Wall Street and the MIC?
Her Goebbels is rolling over in his grave this evening. :rofl:

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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:10 PM
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5. songs will be written about Obama, but noone will know you existed
as it should be.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:27 PM
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24. Most people don't care about fame.
Being concerned about attention and approval from strangers is usually a sign of a personality disorder.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 09:59 PM
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37. that's not why Obama does what he does.
but have no doubt he will be remembered for his good works.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:00 PM
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31. the neo cons said that songs would be written about the invasion
of Iraq. We know how that ended. Also, sycophantic idolatry is probably a sin. Truly.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:01 PM
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32. And how many will know you existed?
Just curious
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 05:32 PM
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49. Richard Perle? Is that you?

“If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we
embrace it entirely, and we don’t try to piece together clever
diplomacy but just wage a total war, our children will sing
great songs about us years from now.”
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:11 PM
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7. OMG! That is some funny shit...lmao!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:33 PM
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15. LOL!nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:13 PM
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23. LOL
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:09 PM
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4. Another way to win "the haters" --don't attack your base, then brag that they have nowhere to go
That would be one way to placate "the haters", otherwise known as "his supporters who made compromise after compromise and still got thrown under the bus."
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 04:33 PM
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47. so true. and it's like those poor WH people are all alone with their Goldman, Bank & Insurance
allies, up against the horrible peasants - have we no shame?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:10 PM
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6. "Gave a speech" ...... "Stood up to" ....... "Responded to"
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:17 PM
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8. He does say...
"Let me be clear," forcibly.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:18 PM
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9. Thank you, Frank Schaeffer~
"We faithful Obama supporters still trust our initial impression of him as a great, good and uniquely qualified man to lead us.

Obama's steady supporters will be proven right. Obama's critics will be remembered as easily panicked and prematurely discouraged at best and shriveled hate mongers at worst..."
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:24 PM
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10. Yes, there is a core constituency of "faithful supporters" ... I can't discern whether it's ...
truly "faith" or "learned helplessness" forcing the populace into "the docile."

IMO, the lack of spine is not unlike the TRUE BELIEVERS under BushCo.

American Crusade 2001+ is ongoing ... May God Bless The Corporate States of America!

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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:31 PM
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14. Frank Schaeffer is an admirable and important person.
It takes courage to stand up so strongly against the right-wing crap he was indoctrinated with. Of course, he will be condemned mercilessly by the Obama haters on DU. I for one shall continue to admire Frank, even if he does say some kind words for the president.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:34 PM
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16. Yes, he sides with the Present EMPOWERED Administration. Wow! That takes guts.
:sarcasm:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:24 PM
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11. LOL- yep, everyone who supports effective public policy is a hater
and the public is going to reward policies that pander to corporate interests and Wall Street and the expense of ordinary working Americans on Main Street as they watch their standards of living erode.



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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:11 PM
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20. Schaeffer still inhabits the world of black and white absolutes..
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 07:39 PM by chill_wind
Old zealous dogma for brand new shiny zealous dogma. There are no shades of grey in the True Believer's world, no matter what brave new world that is. It is not enough to repudiate the hate filled right, which to his credit he has done.... you must be loyal to this politician he embraces. It's like being born again all over again.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:27 PM
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25. +1 for the succint desciption of Manichean thinking
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:27 PM
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12. Just because you do not agree with Obama does not make you a hater.
I reject the premise that it does. Certainly some who disagree with Obama do hate him, but who gets to determine exactly who they are or is it just easier to lump those who disagree and those who hate all together?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:29 PM
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13. It's the mark of a blind follower
similar phenomena are seen with cults- where anyone who criticizes the leader (for whatever reasons) is mentally (or physically) ostracized. It's also useful to recall that we saw much the same thing with Bush for 8 years- which is doubtlessly where some folks have learned the behavior.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 04:44 PM
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48. It's a cult hurr hurr hurr.
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These Eyes Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:37 PM
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17. Excellent post. Thanks!
It will be interesting to see, however, how quickly Frank Schaeffer will fall from grace around here. Did he not get the memo that nothing positive is to be said about Obama? :eyes:
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:41 PM
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18. Speeches about Gay Rights DO NOT set precedent.
"Idioms & Phrases
set a precedent

Establish a usage, tradition, or standard to be followed in the future. For example, He set a precedent by having the chaplain lead the academic procession. The word precedent here signifies a previous instance or legal decision upon which future instances are based, a usage dating from the early 1400s. In British and American law it more specifically refers to a legal decision that may be used as a standard in subsequent cases
".

Sooooo, all future speechifying about "Gay Rights" will be based on a specific speech by President Obama? Boy, do I feel better about the future of Gay Rights!
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:54 PM
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19. Of course Frank does not use the word 'haters'
He's a man I've been arguing with or agreeing with all of my life. He writes like the man he is, an evangelist by trade. Haters is your word, not his. Your spin on what he is saying, not his.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 07:23 PM
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55. hater is a bot word
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:13 PM
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21. Hear! Hear!! Kick and rec. n/t
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:13 PM
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22. He thinks gay marriage is sinful.
Fucking apologists.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:32 PM
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26. yup. I read his book. he comes off as a flake/airhead.
he also hates atheists.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:51 PM
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30. Long article here..
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 08:05 PM by chill_wind
"The book has not--to put it mildly--been kindly received by Evangelicals. For instance, in a recent issue of Books and Culture, Os Guinness hit Frankie with the harshest review I've ever read of any book. Among other things, Guinness insists, Frank was a "con artist," an "arrogant, pompous, and hollow young fraud." It was Frank who got his father into the political situations that the son says he now repents of; nevertheless, Guinness says, "Frank exposes and trumpets his parents' flaws and frailties" and then "skewers them with his characteristic mockery." Since Guinness knew all the Schaeffers better that almost anyone outside the family, there is reason to credit his testimony."

http://www.rca.org/Page.aspx?pid=5093

that review..

http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2008/marapr/1.32.html

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=1724


The babbling here is a hoot...

Frank Schaeffer: I'm Now a 'Liberal' Because I'm a Conservative

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7499



I haven't read the book, but having read quite a few of his shorter length essays, I can safely say I probably won't.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:03 PM
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40. wow, thanks for that. I will read it all!
:hi:

I found the book interesting but i wasn't impressed with him.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:34 PM
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27. K&R. Thank you! I am one of Obama's steady supporters.
This is a fantastic article - a nice contrast all the hysteria.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:35 PM
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28. Rec'd! That article is excellent! n/t
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:38 PM
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29. Nice little denigration of gays there
Yes, that's the LGBT community's problem. We wanted everything right now. It had nothing to do with the veneration of famous homophobes, the DOJ briefs, the President's weak response to the DOMA fiasco, etc.

No, we really just wanted a pony.

This man is an asshole.
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kayla9170 Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:04 PM
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33. K/R.....
"In other words the reactionary white, rube, uneducated, crazy American far Right,combined with the educated but obtuse neoconservative war mongers, religious Right shills for big business, libertarian Fed Reserve-hating gold bug, gun-loving crazies, child-molesting acquiescent "bishops", frontier loons and evangelical gay-hating flakes found one thing to briefly unite them: their desire to stop an uppity black man from succeeding at all costs"....

Truer words were never spoken. If Obama was not the person he was, he would not be receiving the flames from the Right and some on the left. In THEIR opinion, how the heck does this Uppity "African-American" (but they insert a number of other names here to hide the fact that President Obama is actually African-American) man does not listen to our demands, RIGHT NOW on:

Health Care-The Right and Some on the Left
The War-Some on the right
TARP-The Right and Some on the Left
The Housing Crisis-The Right and Some of the Left
Global Warming-Some on the Left
Education Reform-The Right

and on and on and on. IF President Obama was other than he is...I bet any amount of money, the nasty tone, environment and words that have been used to the POTUS would not be taking place at this time.



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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:44 PM
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38. +1 n/t
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:06 PM
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34. Yuck.
:puke:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:09 PM
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35. Amen. Absolutely nothing is good enough for his critics so
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 08:10 PM by Phx_Dem
let them bitch. They're going to anyway.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 06:49 PM
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51. Yup.
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 06:50 PM by BreweryYardRat
I don't always agree with every decision the president has made, but he's got a good enough track record on most things.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:24 PM
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36. Thanks
This needed to be said, and it needed to be said here. It seems that among a few of us there is now a race to prove who is the most pure through rejecting this President in the most harsh terms. How quickly we forget from whence we came those short months ago. There is so little vision of where things are going and how all this whining will be rendered pointless. At least this author sees it.

K&R

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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:00 PM
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39. He lost me when he said...
"Thoughtfully and decisively picked the best of several bad choices regarding the war in Afghanistan." That is utter nonsense. The best and most thoughtful choice would have been to pull our troops out from a war that they can never win. I'm sorry, but I expected better than that from Obama, and if he does't change this destructive policy, I will look to support another Democrat in the 2012 primaries.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:07 PM
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41. (But that wasn't good enough for his critics)
Has he been reading DU?

:evilgrin:
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:20 PM
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42. I'm truly not sure what his critics were expecting....
It took Bush eight years to profoundly screw up this country. And there was plenty of mischief by the Republican Congress during the waning years of the Clinton Administration. The stable was knee-deep in horse shit, and everybody seems to think we should be able to eat off the floor after only a few months.

Remember all those people talking about Obama's agenda being overly-ambitious? There's something to be said for all that -- but taking on myriad problems at once means that none of them will be resolved quickly.

That being said, we're making progress on all fronts.

The spectre of an international financial meltdown has gone away. The work remains to rebuilt our economy.
We're developing a new strategy for ending the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. The work remains to bring the troops home safely.
Thirty million people who didn't have access to healthcare will be getting insurance. The work remains to make sure that insurance is affordable and worth having.

It's going to take years to set things right. You're impatient? OK. I understand that. But it's the bottom of the second inning and we're winning.

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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:36 PM
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43. Well that certainly was a call to the faithful.
I don't find much use for faith when it comes to politicians.

It's much too easy to manipulate the faithful.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:47 PM
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44. "and miles to go before I sleep" NT
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WT Fuheck Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:48 PM
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45. disagree does not equal hate.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 08:13 AM
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46. Pathetic
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 05:53 PM
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50. Has anyone seen Pro$ense lately?
Just wondering.
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 07:10 PM
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53. Great essay. Haters prefer to see Obama fail. "disappointment" is code nt
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dcsmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 07:14 PM
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54. K & R
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:17 PM
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56. Replace Obama with Stalin and it could read like a 1937 screed during the Purge
Transparent propaganda. Nice try Beria.
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