Hey-if YOU want to associate with a person who finds things like this clever, be my guest!

[jenmito]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/20/817242/-Update-2:-Sorry-Miz-Jane-Hamsher.-No.-

I'd rather not. (Thanks to jefferson_dem for making me aware of this.)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. Yeah, Michael Steele and Lanny Davis were all upset about that photo

Last time I saw Lanny Davis he was debating her and kept bringing up that photo every time she asked him what industry groups are currently paying him, and for what.

[jenmito]

2. The teabaggers weren't.

[Cha]

18. Who knew jane hamsher was a racist pig as well

as a fucking propagandist?

"MARCHING WITH THE TEABAGGERS"..what a dumbshit.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

81. It is rich that the same people using the guilt by association meme

against people like Jane are aligning themselves with Michael Steele and Lanny Davis.

[babylonsister]

3. Whoa. What was she thinking? nt

[Chan790]

4. It seems to be a sucker-choice any way you slice it...

side with the anti-bill coalition and find yourself in bed with FNC and Jane Hamsher or side with the suckers who believe in this bill and find yourself in bed with a President who has shown himself to be a liar and a Congress full of quislings with no integrity.

I'm siding with me...I want this bill killed and Congress forced back into session and not allowed to recess until they can give us a bill that is worth supporting because this POS is not. Then I want it made clear that this President can count on not only a primary challenge but a primary loss unless he signs said bill and grows a backbone for all future partisan scuffles.

[Cha]

19. No, President Obama has not shown himself to be a liar..

But, I fully expect the propagandists to push that meme while they're MARCHING WITH THE TEABAGGERS.:silly:

[Chan790]

24. I'm sorry but I know that you're incorrect.

So you can't argue that point with me. He lied about refusing to sign a bill without a public option...that is unless he intends to veto this bill. It's too cut and dried to be debatable. He can't unsay it or say he only said it a little. He said it and thus it is a lie.

Perhaps he had his fingers crossed behind his back.

[Cha]

29. LInk?

[Chan790]

33. They've only been posted by about 2 dozen people at this point...

and it's not my job to do your homework for you. Go out to the main page and find it yourself.

[Cha]

34. Just as I thought.

[Chan790]

37. Look, I'm not your lapdog...

if you're too lazy to do your own homework, you deserve to lose the argument. I'll be gloating for the rest of the evening, thanks...if you want to go read the very easy to find evidence, I'll be on-and-off whilst packing until about 5am and you can admit you're wrong any time you'd like.

[Cha]

39. You poor thing..nobody thinks you're a lapdog.

[Chan790]

45. Edit: I will be gracious in victory.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/22/obama-repeatedly-touted-public/

– In the 2008 Obama-Biden health care plan on the campaign’s website, candidate Obama promised that “any American will have the opportunity to enroll in new public plan.” <2008>

– During a speech at the American Medical Association, President Obama told thousands of doctors that one of the plans included in the new health insurance exchanges “needs to be a public option that will give people a broader range of choices and inject competition into the health care market.” <6/15/09>

– While speaking to the nation during his weekly address, the President said that “any plan” he signs “must include…a public option.” <7/17/09>

– During a conference call with progressive bloggers, the President said he continues “to believe that a robust public option would be the best way to go.” <7/20/09>

– Obama told NBC’s David Gregory that a public option “should be a part of this ,” while rebuking claims that the plan was “dead.” <9/20/09>

He's a liar.

[Cha]

47. So? Yes, Pres Obama wanted a Public Option..

that doesn't make him a liar.

[Chan790]

49. More like moving the goalposts...

if you say that any bill must include a public option for you to sign it and you subsequently sign a bill without a public option...then you have been dishonest. That seems very cut and dried to me. I'm not giving an inch of wiggle here...I expect him to stand by that word or else I reserve the right to call it as I see it...a lie.

He's a liar.

[Cha]

55. No, he's not.

[Chan790]

62. I'm sorry, you've been proven wrong.

First, by me.

Then by iPaint.

He's a liar. He said he would not sign any bill without a public option and he's going to sign a bill without a public option...I don't care what logic or circumspection you want to use to argue that lie isn't a lie, that's simply a lie on your part.

He's a liar.

[Cha]

65. No he's not.

[Chan790]

70. You've lost.

It's no longer a open question...I provided proof that he lied. You merely fail to be willing to accept that he did, as a matter of proven fact, lie.

You can say "No, he's not." until the cows come home, it's never going to be true.

[ipaint]

52. It does if he said it when he wasn't the president.

Covering All Americans and Providing Real Choices of Affordable Health Insurance Options.

Families and individuals should have the option of keeping the coverage they have or choosing from a wide array of health insurance plans, including many private health insurance options and a public plan. Coverage should be made affordable for all Americans with subsidies provided through tax credits and other means.

http://www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.html


In the 2008 Obama-Biden health care plan on the campaign’s website, candidate Obama promised that “any American will have the opportunity to enroll in new public plan.”

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf


Every American has the right to affordable, comprehensive and portable health coverage. My plan will ensure that all Americans have health care coverage through their employers, private health plans, the federal government, or the states. My plan builds on and improves our current insurance system, which most Americans continue to rely upon, and creates a new public health plan for those currently without coverage. Under my plan, Americans will be able to choose to maintain their current coverage if they choose to. For those without health insurance I will establish a new public insurance program, and provide subsides to afford care for those who need them. My plan includes a mandate that all children have health care coverage and I will expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs to help ensure we cover all kids. My plan requires all employers to contribute towards health coverage for their employees or towards the cost of the public plan. Under my plan a typical family will save $2,500 each year. We will realize tremendous savings within the health care system from improving efficiency and quality and reducing wasted expenditures system-wide. Specifically, these savings will result from investments in health information technology, improvements in prevention and management of chronic conditions, increased insurance industry competition and reduced industry overhead, the provision of federal reinsurance for catastrophic coverage, and reduced spending on uncompensated care.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/issues/candidates/barack-obama/

NPR interview 2007-

Obama: Senator Clinton’s plan for healthcare, my plan, John Edward’s plan are all similar in the sense that we set up a government plan alongside the private plans that people have. And people can buy in. And we all subsidize participation in that plan.

Laura Knoy: So it’s not universal, single payer healthcare such as Dennis Kucinich<'s plan>?

Obama: Exactly. It’s not single payer, it’s a transitional system building on the existing systems that we have.

cont.-

Require all children to have health insurance, and employers to offer employee health benefits or contribute to the cost of the new public program. Expand Medicaid and SCHIP and create the National Health Insurance Exchange through which small businesses and individuals without access to other public programs or employer-based coverage could enroll in a new public plan, like Medicare, or in a range of approved private plans.

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=8554


Many more here-
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/22/818090/-President-Obama:-I-Didnt-Campaign-on-the-Public-Option.-

[NYC_SKP]

64. There's a LOT of fucked up misleading and wrong posts on this. You got a link, or not?

You got a direct quote or are you firing blanks?

[Chan790]

71. Yup and I already posted it in response to Cha.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=87282&mesg_id=87691

[NYC_SKP]

74. As you argue over what Obama said, Obama, et al are taking care of you and HCR...

I'm reading Sanders' press releases, got there from a DKos diary.

Diary:

45,000,000 get single-payer care =vs.= 3,000,000 P.O. tickets ??? -- Cummon folks.

THIS IS IMPORTANT.

Ted Kennedy's existing CHC program expands along lines developed by Bernie Sanders and Ben Cardin.

The single best thing to happen for America's working poor since food stamps:

-- 14,000 nationwide Community Health Clinics

-- Expand CHC capabilities to match VHA technology

-- 45,000,000 people served

-- $$$$$ to attract 20,000 primary care physicians, nurses, etc.

-- Drugs at VHA prices

-- Dental care

-- Patient billing scaled to income

-- No profit motive. 1/5th the cost of Emergency Room treatment.

Alan Frumin, the Senate Parliamentarian, showed last April that non-budgetary insurance sections would not qualify for reconciliation. Filibusters would doom any Senate P.O.

Care is separated completely from any billing.

Harry Reid concealed Sanders-Cardin till the last hour, then popped it into the Senate HCR Bill.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/22/818060/-This-HCR-Bill:-45,000,000-Get-Single-Payer-Vermont-Health-Care

Sanders: http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=2F6CC5A1-C9D2-46CA-902E-E3D0EFD94232
and
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=30b2a415-4ade-4367-af7d-4c3306e31b58

:patriot:

[krispos42]

76. He can opt to neither sign nor veto the bill.

If he does nothing, it becomes law after 10 days of it being sent to the President. Obama can let it become law by default. In this way, the bill could become law while Obama sticks to his promise not to sign a bill without a public option.

[firedupdem]

5. I wondered what her deal was with wanting to join up with the

teabaggers, now I know. Some people cannot handle the fact that there is a black man in the oval office, he's not 'owned' and he's not dancing to their beat. She doesn't exist to me any longer. I put her in the same category as buchanan.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. astonishing ignorance

You want to disagree with someone on policy so you leap to a "she's a racist" stance to make everything tidy for you?

To say Jane Hamsher is all about not wanting a black man in office is an extraordinary proclamation of ignorance.

[firedupdem]

13. No 'leap' needed. It's quite clear, unless you are telling me that

you believe the tea baggers have some other real issues. Their signs show exactly what they are protesting. Now, I see she has a history of using 'black face' pictures for whatever reason, and you are evidently okay with that.

If she wants to disagree on 'policy' why the alliance with tea baggers? So yeah, I see her as a racist. My people don't take kindly to black face postings or tea baggers. You say I'm ignorant? I think you're rather arrogant. Don't tell me what to think about this lady. She can go screw herself.

[Cha]

42. I see her as a racist too.."Blackface"? Really?

What the hell was she trying to prove with that anyway?

And, "MARCHING WITH THE TEABAGGERS"..ain't nobody more racist than those mo4herfockers.

[jonnyblitz]

7. delete

wrong place

[sandnsea]

8. Unrecommend?? Really?

:wow:

What's this nonsense? How can anyone unrecommend this.

"The left-right coalition sent a letter to members of the Senate today includes Campaign for America's Future co-director Robert Borosage, Americans for Taxpayer Reform president Grover Norquist, FireDogLake blogger Jane Hamsher, Eagle Forum president Phyllis Schlafly Campaign for Liberty president John Tate and Center for Economic and Policy Research president Dean Baker."

[jenmito]

10. It was unrec'ed even before any comments were posted. n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

21. Yeah, who would un'rec the vilest post on DU this week? (and it was a rough week)

[jenmito]

26. Don't shoot the messenger. n/t

[sandnsea]

68. How do you figure?

Did you read the Kos diary? I had no idea Jane Hamsher thought it was a good idea to work with nutballs if they use the same words she uses on occasion. That's nuts.

[HopeOverFear]

9. Wow, somebody actually wants a Palin-Hamsher ticket to beat obama.

Wow.

[jenmito]

11. All the unrec'ers obviously do.

:shrug:

[Name removed]

12. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jenmito]

15. Yup. I bet Faux's ratings went through the roof when Hamsher was on...

with all the leftbaggers watching.

[Hutzpa]

14. When a person stoops to that level

you know they've lost the battle, it's over.

[jenmito]

16. It's too bad that so many people here

would disagree with you on that.

[Hutzpa]

17. Seeing the recent posts and threads

it easier to see where her overzealousness is coming from, she really needs to take a chill pill.

[Spazito]

20. I had no idea she was someone who is comfortable with both posting....

such a despicable photoshop and aligning herself with the likes of Grover Norquist et al. It has certainly been very enlightening to find out where her REAL interests are!

[timeforpeace]

22. Since you're the one posting this here, I'll always associate the image with you. Congrats.

[Spazito]

27. LOL, I always look forward to your posts, they are so.......

consistent, not near as subtle as you might think but always consistent.

:rofl:

[jgraz]

23. Your concern and fauxtrage is noted.

This clearly makes all her criticism of Obama's healthcare con logically incorrect. :eyes:

[jenmito]

25. That's ok...

we'll always have m448/Teddykin/360girl. :)

[jgraz]

28. Is it your intention to call your fellow DUers racist for agreeing with Hamsher?

If so, that's pretty low.

[jenmito]

30. I didn't call anyone racist. I said if you want to associate yourself with Jane, go ahead. I'D

rather not.

[jgraz]

32. Please don't play the "who me?" game.

If you weren't playing an incredibly vile race card, what was your point in posting this? How does that image have any relevance to the current healthcare debate?

[jenmito]

77. My point for posting this was to see the type of person JANE is...

for everyone who thinks she's "on our side."

[apocalypsehow]

31. Such pleasant playmates the Anti's cozy up with! They're howling like scalded weasels about "guilt

by association" all over DU because of your OP now, but really: when you wade through cesspools, you shouldn't be surprised when you get a good deal of pond scum in your britches.

Good find - Rec. :thumbsup:

[jgraz]

35. BTW, do you realize who YOU'RE associating yourself with by using this image?

Do you know who the first people were to express fake outrage about this photo?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

38. I doubt Jenmito cares

Lanny Davis was previewing this tactic the other night on TV, debating Hamsher.

She kept asking him what corporation is currently funding him and he kept answering that blackface is bad.

Very informative debate.

[jgraz]

41. Actually, Lanny was far from the first to misuse this image against Hamsher

Jen knows. She just doesn't want to say.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

58. Oh, I know too.

But the Lanny Davis appearance was recent and since none of these folks who know her heart so well seem to have ever heard of Jane Hamsher until about five minutes ago I thought it worth mentioning.

"Useful idiots."

[jenmito]

78. I care about blackface being wrong. Period.

[apocalypsehow]

40. "What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands...."

Gentlewoman:

It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus
washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of
an hour.

Lady Macbeth:

Yet here's a spot.

Doctor:

Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to
satisfy my remembrance the more strongly.

Lady Macbeth:

Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then
'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and
afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our
pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to
have had so much blood in him?

Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26–40

[janx]

43. Excellent!

:hug:

[janx]

36. Another shock jock, eh? Shock blogger?

I'm too old for this.

[girl_interrupted]

44. Photo was posted during Lieberman/Lamont race, Jane backed Lamont

Lieberman made it well know he was trying to appeal to black voters. And given what we have sadly come to know about Joe Lieberman..well he's always full of s**t.

Do I think she Jane used extremely poor judgment to make a point? Yes. Did she apologize for it? Yes. Do I think she's a racist..No. Is Lieberman a phoney? Yes.

But we have all been duly punished when Lamont lost & Lieberman won.

[apocalypsehow]

46. Employing Blackface is just "poor judgment" now is it? LOL! What rank, arrant nonsense.

(crossposted from a similar Spam reply in another thread)

[jgraz]

50. Spoken like a true Lieberman backer

They, too, feigned outrage over this image in order to attack their political opponents. That's some wonderful company you're associating yourself with. :eyes:

[apocalypsehow]

59. So I'm a "Lieberman backer" now, am I? ...(*snickers*)...

Jeebus, but you Anti's are truly clawing at the air in desperation.

[jgraz]

61. OK, you just embrace his principles of political rhetoric

That's MUCH better. :eyes:

[apocalypsehow]

75. You emphatically "embrace" the use of Blackface as a political advertising tool.

I'm not too worried about the opinion of someone who embraces such racist filth as that.

[girl_interrupted]

54. Yes and I also would have preferred Lamont to win over Lieberman

Do I think she used good judgment trying to show Lieberman was kissing up to black voters? No. Do I think she was overzealous about her candidate? Yes. Do I think she was thoughtless..Yes. Do I think she intended to offend black voters? No...because that certainly wouldn't have helped her candidate. Did she apologize? Yes. That's something I have never seen Andrew Sullivan do when quoting from the "The Bell Curve".

But if that isn't enough...her candidate Lamont lost. I can think of no greater punishment for her offense. We are now stuck with Joe Lieberman.

[apocalypsehow]

56. I doubt if it was Limbaugh or Hannity who posted that you'd call it "poor judgment." Am I wrong?

:shrug:

I'll bet you'd call it what was & is: rank racism. For the record, so would I. But, then, I'm consistent in such matters - across the board.

(Crossposted)

[girl_interrupted]

66. Yes, you're wrong

Hannity & Limbaugh have shown on many occassion that are racist...hell Rush went on a tirade about Donovan McNabe being "allowed" to be a quarterback, because he was black and not talented. Which was not only racist but a load of shit. Donovan Mc Nabe is a damn good player.

I think what people are missing here is "intent". She was thoughtless, no question...and probably not being black, didnt realize she would offend...just wanted to show Lieberman would kiss up to blacks for votes.


She did apologize, something I have never seen Andrew Sullivan do, when using quotes from "The Bell Curve" and posters on this board use Sullivan as their source, and I have never heard of anyone here complaining he is offensive or a racist. So perhaps you should go ask them, if they think he's a racist.

Lamont Lost...Lieberman Won...no greater punishment could be given.

[janx]

51. Shock jock none the less.

She's so cute! Isn't she cute?

[CoffinEd]

48. I come to DU to be informed and enlightened...

And today I have been with regard to Missy Jane's peculiar fascination with, um, shall we say ethnic art. Informative and enlightening, not only to this johnny-come-lately (I absolutely had no idea she was into ethnic art, either collecting or creating), but also to many black 'progressive' bloggers who, according to a poster on the Daily Kos, are politely (and maybe not so politely) saying "thanks but no thanks" to Missy Jane's 'progressive' style of leadership and her calls for melding minds with tea baggers.

I wonder if she'll be making any more films soon? Never to late for a sequel to Birth of a Nation. B-)

[ipaint]

53. Good then you know the president told a whopper of a lie today.

Good to be informed. Oh and enlightened.

[Spazito]

57. and that has precisely what to do with the OP re Ms. Hamsher and....

her past AND current activities ie Blackface photoshops and aligning herself with the likes of Phyllis Schlafly and Grover Norquist?

[CoffinEd]

60. Aren't there enough Obama threads?

Aren't there enough Obama threads on DU that you have to mention him in this one about Missy Jane and her fascination with ethnic art? Come on, I know you can be more creative than that. I have faith in you. B-)

[Number23]

72. Ha!

Never to late for a sequel to Birth of a Nation. :rofl: :thumbsup: :rofl:

And as is ALWAYS the damn case, we have people who instead of calling out Jane Hamsher for using this offensive, idiotic photograph are instead calling JENMITO the "race baiter" for calling attention to Hamsher's use of the photo!!!! Oh my God!! The madness! The ridiculousness of this is just too much to take.

[tekisui]

63. That is horrible.

I don't know who she is, but I don't like that picture.

[jenmito]

80. She has been all over tv saying the senate should "kill the bill"...

including on Faux where she knew she'd have a friendly audience.

[Silver Gaia]

67. K & R n/t

[last1standing]

69. My dog has four legs...

My cat also has four legs. Therefore my cat is a dog! :think:

This must be an example of that three dimensional chess everyone tell me about...

[cherokeeprogressive]

73. Are you saying that because I don't support HCR in its current form, I associate with someone

I've never met?

[ShortnFiery]

79. Yes, Goebbels is rolling over in his grave with ENVY.

:eyes:

[jenmito]

82. Nope. I'm just exposing who this person who wants to "kill the bill" is

and what she believes is acceptable. She's on the same side as the teabaggers in more ways than one.

[freddie mertz]

83. First time I've seen it. Hate it. Still upset about Obama's lie today.

Hamsher deserves whatever she gets for posting this.

But Obama is still the president and needs to held accountable as well.

Two wrongs do not make a right.