Dean is resigned that we are getting a poor bill. Doesn't support it. The Rachel Maddow video.

[madfloridian]

Rachel interviews Dean

Dean is expressing resignation that the bill is going through.


Dean did not, like Durbin and Boxer did, equate the left with the right. He did not say that if the right and left hate it then it must be good. He is accepting that the bill is going through with some changes.

He is disappointed, but he sort of shrugged that if the right hates it so much there must be some good in it.

My mind is boggled at the remarks here that keep saying he has caved.

Dean does not support the bill...he is accepting grudgingly that it will pass. He says there is a battle coming down the road with the insurance companies.

Do any of you here think it is okay that our party is selling us out to the insurance lobby?

I just don't get how he became the boogie man when he has been warning us.

Now we are getting it, he accepts grudgingly, and gets ridiculed here for it.

What is happening to this party?

The other day this forum was moaning and groaning that "Dean caved."

No, he did not cave

He says there is almost no health reform at all. Says a little moderate insurance reform.

He hesitating says he "thinks" the bill should go to conference. He says some of that is emotional. He sees the Republicans who haven't lifted a finger to do anything on health care for many decades. He commends Sheldon Whitehouse for calling them out.

He says as a result of some of the discussions that went on after he spoke out some improvements were put into the bill.

He says what the insurance companies got were about 30 million new customers without much control on cost.

He says he thinks it should be allowed to go to conference though he does not like the bill. He makes that plain. He think the House bill might be able to make it better in conference.

Norah asks if he agrees with Feingold that the WH is to blame for the lack of a public option. He says yes.

Everyone from Gibbs to VP Biden, from the liberal blogs to the WP, were rallied to discredit Dean when he spoke out against the bill. Even Truth Out and Buzzflash and Daily Kos and TPM joined the chorus.

If this is what a party does to those who question, then I am very worried.

[ShortnFiery]

1. Our Party - well, the LEADERSHIP of our party is Corporate Controlled.

In essence, the USA has a political system that might accurately be termed

"A Right-Wing, Corporate Duopoly."

[ProSense]

2. Dean praised the Nelson amendment and the Senate exchanges, which he said

are better than the House's. He also said that some significant reforms were added.

Face it, Dean doesn't oppose the bill, he's advocating making it as strong as possible.

[madfloridian]

5. What the hell did you think I was saying.

[ProSense]

7. You're trying to make it appear that people claiming that Dean doesn't want the bill killed are

misleading. He, in fact, doesn't want it killed. He is actually lauding many of the good aspects of the bill.

[madfloridian]

11. I give up.

You are putting words in my mouth.

Doesn't matter anymore.

We have accepted everything the party leaders have done so far. We will continue to do so.

[Armstead]

3. Dean is the devil if he criticizes it...He's a hero if he seems to support it

However, in reality he has been fairly consistent in his actual position.

He would prefer to see the bill pass, but in a form that does not contain so many poison pills.

[madfloridian]

6. It doesn't matter to me anymore.

I have defended best I can, now I am so disgusted with the party.

[Armstead]

26. I hate to say this but some of that is the intent of some here

To discourage.

Some of them are blind partisans who really do want to "whip people into line."

But some of them are plants from the other side. Take a look at the "website that cannot be named on DU" which has the initials CU. They are conservatives who take great delight in planting moles on places like DU with the specific intent of demoralizing and stirring up shit.

[madfloridian]

27. There are some here now.

However....I am discouraged. It was the administration that got the big guns out when someone spoke out.

If hubby and I had local Dems we could relate to, that would help. But we don't.

[Blasphemer]

14. I see a consistent position as well

Considering their attacks on him, I admire him for still speaking out.

[madfloridian]

4. This is what it is like where I live.

If you disagree with the party leaders you are soon out of the loop.

And the party leaders hang out with the Republican party leaders. The state Dem chair is a lobbyist for a big Republican firm here.

So that is what it is becoming like nationally as shown by the onslaught when he spoke out.

We don't belong locally, we don't fit because we question.

I hoped it would not be this way.

[madfloridian]

8. That's a good word...."resigned". As in accepting the inevitable.

And the inevitable is that our party just gave the power to the insurance lobby.

Accept it or not.

[ProSense]

10. Everyone is "resigned" to it

Senators Sanders, Feingold, Kerry, Boxer, Franken, etc.

[madfloridian]

18. Ok, then why make Dean the target?

Spread the love around.

[ProSense]

19. You are the one making him a target.

He walked back his comment and you're setting up as a superhero who is being misrepresented.

He doesn't want the bill killed. That's not a bad thing.

[madfloridian]

20. The others are doing the same thing.

[jefferson_dem]

9. Why spin?

Let it go. Dr. Dean has.

He has walked back his earlier "kill the bill" position and now thinks it's better to support than oppose the reforms. We should be proud that we are now more unified. That way, we are better able to fuck up the real political enemies - the piece of shit rethugocracy.

[madfloridian]

13. What have we gained from Obama sending out troops to discredit him?

We gained an even more loyal following which will accept anything he does now.

I can't tolerate it anymore.

And you say I spin?

Our president is doing a good job of it now.

[ProSense]

16. They disagreed with him. So did many Senators and Representatives. Even a former

VT governor disagreed.

[madfloridian]

17. You are not aware of the troops sent out by the WH to go on TV

To attack Dean? Nothing was said to anyone else, Lieberman was complimented for his hard work.

I get the impression you don't read what I post, just give a quick response.

[BeyondGeography]

12. Exhausting

and wrong.

[girl_interrupted]

15. So is Sanders & Feingold...they don't like it either, but are resigned to it

It's a shame it has come to that, but it has.

[zulchzulu]

21. Dean. Is. For. The. Bill.

Yes, he wants some final changes (as do all if us), but he hardly said he is against the bill. He didn't "cave". He looked at what has developed and sees it as a possibly good thing over doing nothing at all.

[madfloridian]

24. He is resigned that a not so good bill will pass.

And he is pulling Obama's arrows out of his butt.

[NYC_SKP]

22. What do you make of this, from Bernie Sanders?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/22/818060/-This-HCR-Bill:-45,000,000-Get-Single-Payer-Vermont-Health-Care

:shrug:

[madfloridian]

23. Part of Bernie's will benefit nationally.

And what Ben got should go to all states.

[madfloridian]

25. But I think that it has not been explained enough.

The health care will be through centers, a good thing...but some think comparing it to single payer is confusing.