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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:31 PM
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Ease up on the President's healthcare reform dissembling
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 01:49 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
Look, the bill is what it is. That's spilled milk.

Going forward President Obama has to worry about both public perception of the bill and his own image.

So even though the bill is short of what Obama seemed to say he wanted what would the benefit be to admitting that?

"Yeah... this bill pretty much sucks. I wanted all sorts of stuff in it but was ignored, maybe because I didn't really *want* that stuff, but just wanted it in some vague academic sense. If I had stood for anything it would have put MY image on the line and that's too much to risk."

See how weak that makes him sound? Do you really want your president admitting he screwed the pooch bare-back?

Much better to claim that this bill accomplishes everything he sought, and that though a strong public option was in the Obama '08 health plan he didn't really take it seriously.

"Successful, beloved President accomplishes all goals in landmark Health Care Reform Bill"... see how good that sounds? Much better than, "Blind-sided political rookie gets rolled."

In selling the bill and selling himself the president is gonna have to take some detours from the truth, but that's salesmanship.

So give the guy a break.

(The preceding is simultaneously Swift-ian and true: outrageous, nauseating, and satirical... yet also valid political advice. We live in a Swift-ian world!)
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:35 PM
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1. Perception doesn't prevent death and bankruptcy.
nt
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:35 PM
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2. He's walking back his campaign bullshit.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:37 PM
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3. "Blind-sided political rookie gets rolled." would have no meant no bill at all.
So that would be blatantly stupid to begin with.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:37 PM
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4. Aha! The exact same argument for not prosecuting the crimes of the Bush Administration
I'm beginning to see a pattern here. Fuck up, then claim it's "spilled milk" and "look to the future".

Funny how no one seems to be advocating NOT fucking up in the first place!

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:37 PM
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5. when W pulled BS, DU was outraged lol nt
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:40 PM
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6. I love when people claim their OP's valid and true... in the OP
awesome

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WT Fuheck Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:40 PM
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7. didn't we all just vote to change from a weak, dissembling, pooch-screwing POTUS
to this one?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:44 PM
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8. The bill doesn't suck, at all..
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 01:44 PM by tridim
In fact it's even better than advertised. The Dems and the President did a great job in spite of the 100% GOP obstruction.

This HCR Bill: 45,000,000 Get CHC-Single-Payer Vermont Health Care
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/22/818060/-This-HCR-Bill:-45,000,000-Get-Single-Payer-Vermont-Health-Care

45,000,000 get CHC-single-payer care =vs.= 3,000,000 P.O. tickets ??? -- Cummon folks.

THIS IS IMPORTANT.

Ted Kennedy's existing CHC program expands along lines developed by Bernie Sanders and Ben Cardin.

The single best thing to happen for America's working poor since food stamps:

-- 14,000 nationwide Community Health Clinics

-- Expand CHC capabilities to match VHA technology

-- 45,000,000 people served

-- $$$$$ to attract 20,000 primary care physicians, nurses, etc.

-- Drugs at VHA prices

-- Dental care

-- Patient billing scaled to income

-- No profit motive.

-- 40% saving for chronic care.

-- 1/5th the cost of Emergency Room treatment.

-- Care separated completely from money.

Alan Frumin, the Senate Parliamentarian, showed last April that non-budgetary insurance sections would not qualify for reconciliation. Filibusters would doom any Senate P.O.

Harry Reid concealed Sanders-Cardin till the last hour, then popped it into the Senate HCR Managers Amendment.

-snip-

The Sanders press release hits the main points:

-- A $10 billion investment in community health centers, expected to go to $14 billion when Congress completes work on health care reform legislation, was included in a final series of changes to the Senate bill unveiled today.

-- The provision... would provide primary care for 25 million more Americans.... (with language broadening coverage in response to rural needs where the clinics can be the sole local health resource for communities.)

-- (This) will help bring about a revolution in primary health care in America and create new or expanded health centers in an additional 10,000 communities.

-- The provision would also provide loan repayments and scholarships through the National Health Service Corps to create an additional 20,000 primary care doctors, dentists, nurse practitioners, physician assistants and mental health professionals.

-- Very importantly, Sanders also said the provision would save Medicaid tens of billions of dollars by keeping patients out of emergency rooms and hospitals by providing primary care when then needed it.

-- The investment would more than pay for itself by saving Medicaid $23 billion over five years on reduced emergency room use and hospital costs, according to a study conducted by George Washington University.

-- Sanders is also working with Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) to improve language already in the bill to provide waivers for states that want to provide comprehensive, affordable health care and curb rapidly-rising costs for money-making private health insurance companies. The waivers could clear the way for a state-run, s1ngle-payer system.

-- Sanders has worked with House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) to include $14 billion in the House version of the legislation. (Which had already been done.)

The system of Federally Qualified Health Centers began four decades ago under pioneering legislation by the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy. Community health centers now provide primary health care, dental care, mental health counseling and low-cost prescription drugs for about 20 million Americans. Open to everyone, the centers care for patients covered by Medicaid, Medicare and private insurance as well as those who have no insurance.

In Vermont, eight (FQHC) health centers and 40 satellite offices provide primary health care to more than 100,000 patients regardless of their ability to pay. Sanders said that with the additional health care funding it was very likely that new centers would be established in Addison County, Bennington County and perhaps Windham County VT.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:47 PM
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9. You are sort of right. It will probably do some good.
If I was in the Senate I would vote for it tomorrow.

But the President is still a contemptible liar.

The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 02:01 PM
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10. He should do the right thing for the American People and kill the bill.
His image should not be his primary concern.

Kill the bill.


Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 02:07 PM
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11. If you don't call out a liar, he'll just lie again.
I could possibly ease up if Obama was to say that he didn't like the bill but that it was more important to cover 30 million people than to safeguard the rest of us from predatory insurers. I could ease up if he was to say that he screwed up and had learned some valuable lessons about taking your base for granted and cowtowing to conservatives.

But instead, he has said that this is the bill he wanted from the beginning (probably true) and then turned around and insulted those of us who wanted a real bill with real reform. I don't see where easing up on him comes in at this point. There has to be an admission of failure in some form before forgiveness can be given. Obama's making it very clear that he doesn't want that.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 02:15 PM
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12. I would have actually accepted it much better if he had just said
something to the effect of, "Well, we really wanted the public option. For whatever reason, we were not able to get it, but we did add some alternative options to balance out the lack of a public option."

That would have been the best thing for him to say. I would have at least accepted that as closer to the truth than, "I never campaigned on the public option."

I wish he had just said it straight up that he was sorry the public option didn't make it, but we'll try this instead.

He actually chose to make comments in a reactionary, defensive way when he did not need to.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:06 PM
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13. But the true fact is he didn't want the PO. He got what he wanted
so to him this is a success.
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