Check, and mate.

[tridim]

Good chess play is never appreciated by people who don't understand basic strategy. I've played against many people who play chess without thinking several moves ahead, and they're pushovers from the first move, just like the GOP. Thank gawd the President and our Democratic leaders understand this.

We won, despite 100% GOP and CORPORATE opposition. It is a truly stunning achievement by any measure.

I'm guessing this post will be unrecced into oblivion and trashed by the Hamsherites, and you know what? I don't care, because you won too. You just don't know it yet because you have put your faith in people who have been lying to you for money. I'll give you some leeway to let the reality sink in.

Congratulations Democrats and President Obama, you make me proud to be a Democrat. Thank you for this historic legislation.

[impik]

1. Ignore the pathetic unrec. You just said the truth

[bigwillq]

5. I only unrec'ed because the OP mentioned

unrec'ed. That's my policy. I unrec any thread that mentions the rec or unrec system. Have a good one! :hi:

[HughMoran]

8. That's very mature

No, it is, I wasn't being sarcastic.

[bigwillq]

19. That's ok.

Either way. Free country, right? :hi:

[niceypoo]

84. Know what is more pathetic than the auto-unrecs?

The drama queens who anguish over them

[CreekDog]

2. Seems more like that car accident I avoided by a last minute swerve

more than some brilliant chess move.

but in any case, it's better than a poke in the eye and i will take it. :hi:

[Divine Discontent]

51. LOL.... LOVE IT! +1!

[KrR]

60. Lieberman has been exposed to the general

public the way he was exposed to all of us in 2006. I don't think this was an accident. Yes the Bill had to be compromised for him but he was not allowed to disagree behind closed doors.

[boppers]

92. Car accidents avoided by a swerve are a lot like chess.

Chess is basically 16 cars driving at each other, a 32-car game of chicken.

[CreekDog]

105. i think this was 52 card pickup

:rofl:

:hide:

[rd_kent]

3. How have "we" won, exactly?

I know its a simplistic view, but this bill really doesnt seem to do much for anyone other than insurance companies. Dont really see how this is a "win".

[tridim]

7. This, for starters..

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/22/818060/-This-HCR-Bill:-45,000,000-Get-Single-Payer-Vermont-Health-Care

[derby378]

12. Would I be able to participate in CHC?

If this is true, yes, that's encouraging, but the key is access.

[monmouth]

13. For one thing, as qualifying as a "senior" (you can't image how I

hate that) I will be allotted a once a year visit to my doctor at no cost. I like that, granted no issues at this point but I only go to the Dr. every two years or so. I love it.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

103. Try reading.

Even Howard "I would vote against it" Dean says that it does a lot for the people.

[derby378]

4. I don't win if I'm forced to buy private health insurance...

...with no controls over rising premiums and only token prohibitions against pre-existing conditions.

Big Insurance is celebrating. Watch their stock prices.

[tridim]

10. Big insurance lost the status quo, which is what they wanted. nt

[derby378]

15. Meet the new boss...the same as the old boss...

For me, status quo has not only been preserved, but etched in stone.

I need choice in my healthcare.

[rgbecker]

32. Choice is what you get when the insurance cos can't reject you...

because of a pre-existing condition. If you don't like your present coverage, just switch to some one else. They gotta take you.
Further, because the policies are standardized, (See gold, silver, etc.) they can't offer a policy to some people but not others and must meet the minimum requirements as outlined by the Feds. Sure the government isn't going to be in the health insurance business anymore than they are now, but that doesn't make this a status quo situation. I'd like single payer too, but as long as American kids in school are brainwashed about freedom and liberty etc. we're not going to get it.

[grantcart]

69. The status quo means insurance companies dictate prices

In the Senate Bill small groups and individuals will have access to plans dictated by OPM

You are now going to be able to buy the same kind of plans that Federal Employees get.

The profit on those plans? less that 2%


Details and links here
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/grantcart/256

q) Part IV of subtitle D of title I of this Act is
19 amended by adding at the end the following:
20 ‘‘SEC. 1334. MULTI-STATE PLANS.
21 ‘‘(a) OVERSIGHT BY THE OFFICE OF PERSONNEL
22 MANAGEMENT .—
23 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.— The Director of the Office
24 of Personnel Management (referred to in this section
25 as the ‘Director’) shall enter into contracts with

snip

7 (at) least 2 multi-State qualified health plans through
8 each Exchange in each State. Such plans shall pro9
vide individual, or in the case of small employers,
10 group coverage.
11 ‘‘(2) TERMS.—Each contract entered into
12 under paragraph (1) shall be for a uniform term of
13 at least 1 year, but may be made automatically re
14 newable from term to term in the absence of notice
15 of termination by either party. In entering into such
16 contracts, the Director shall ensure that health bene
17 fits coverage is provided in accordance with the
18 types of coverage provided for under section
19 2701(a)(1)(A)(i) of the Public Health Service Act.
20 ‘‘(3) NON-PROFIT ENTITIES.— In entering into
21 contracts under paragraph (1), the Director shall
22 ensure that at least one contract is entered into with
23 a non-profit entity.
24 ‘‘(4) ADMINISTRATION.—The Director shall im
25plement this subsection in a manner similar to the
56

1 manner in which the Director implements the con
2 tracting provisions with respect to carriers under the
3 Federal employees health benefit program under
4 chapter 89 of title 5, United States Code, including
5 (through negotiating with each multi-state plan)—
6 ‘‘(A) a medical loss ratio;
7 ‘‘(B) a profit margin;
8 ‘‘(C) the premiums to be charged; and
9 ‘‘(D) such other terms and conditions of
10 coverage as are in the interests of enrollees in
11 such plans.

[derby378]

107. Interesting

I'll have to keep an eye on this. But who actually administers these multi-state plans? Is it private insurance companies, or is it some other entity?

[kenfrequed]

41. Explain how they lost this.

Considering there are no cost control measures in place at all.

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[grantcart]

70. Cost, price and profit controls

In the Senate Bill small groups and individuals will have access to plans dictated by OPM

You are now going to be able to buy the same kind of plans that Federal Employees get.

The profit on those plans? less that 2%

The plan also has provisions for changing from "pay for services" to "outcome based incentives" and also takes away copays for preventative procedures, both of which everyone agrees will have a dramatic impact on cost reduction.


Details and links here
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/grantcart/256

q) Part IV of subtitle D of title I of this Act is
19 amended by adding at the end the following:
20 ‘‘SEC. 1334. MULTI-STATE PLANS.
21 ‘‘(a) OVERSIGHT BY THE OFFICE OF PERSONNEL
22 MANAGEMENT .—
23 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.— The Director of the Office
24 of Personnel Management (referred to in this section
25 as the ‘Director’) shall enter into contracts with

snip

7 (at) least 2 multi-State qualified health plans through
8 each Exchange in each State. Such plans shall pro9
vide individual, or in the case of small employers,
10 group coverage.
11 ‘‘(2) TERMS.—Each contract entered into
12 under paragraph (1) shall be for a uniform term of
13 at least 1 year, but may be made automatically re
14 newable from term to term in the absence of notice
15 of termination by either party. In entering into such
16 contracts, the Director shall ensure that health bene
17 fits coverage is provided in accordance with the
18 types of coverage provided for under section
19 2701(a)(1)(A)(i) of the Public Health Service Act.
20 ‘‘(3) NON-PROFIT ENTITIES.— In entering into
21 contracts under paragraph (1), the Director shall
22 ensure that at least one contract is entered into with
23 a non-profit entity.
24 ‘‘(4) ADMINISTRATION.—The Director shall im
25plement this subsection in a manner similar to the
56

1 manner in which the Director implements the con
2 tracting provisions with respect to carriers under the
3 Federal employees health benefit program under
4 chapter 89 of title 5, United States Code, including
5 (through negotiating with each multi-state plan)—
6 ‘‘(A) a medical loss ratio;
7 ‘‘(B) a profit margin;
8 ‘‘(C) the premiums to be charged; and
9 ‘‘(D) such other terms and conditions of
10 coverage as are in the interests of enrollees in
11 such plans.

[KrR]

61. There are cost controld please stop lying. n/t

[Laf.La.Dem.]

6. I hope

I hope you are 100% right or even 75% right

[Armstead]

9. You left out "pony" -- Otherwise you hit all the meaningless talking points

Congratulations.

[Touchdown]

11. It's not chess. It's Space Invaders.

He just survived the last wave. No matter how long he plays, we will eventually lose.

[Name removed]

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[azmouse]

16. yes we did win

[yellerpup]

17. Thanks for pointing this out.

"We won, despite 100% GOP and CORPORATE opposition. It is a truly stunning achievement by any measure."

Remarkable accomplishment that Ted Kennedy fought his whole life to bring about. K&R! :kick:

[derby378]

18. I think Ted Kennedy would be deeply saddened by what's coming out of the Senate

He might have been more optimistic about the House bill, but not by much.

[scheming daemons]

22. Anybody who paid close attention to Ted Kennedy's career would disagree with you

Including his wife, most of his family, almost all of his former staffers, and people who.. you know... actually knew the guy.


He'd be the first to vote yes. Kennedy spent his career incrementally improving the lives of millions.


This bill improves the lives of 30 million Americans, and Ted Kennedy would've been hailing its passage.

[derby378]

23. But at what cost?

For starters, there's a lot of pissed-off women across America who just learned that their access to healthcare procedures has just been curtailed.

[scheming daemons]

29. Really... you are so uninformed it's almost not worth explaining things to you...

The House bill has language that says that health care plans won't pay for abortions.

The Senate bill does not.


The final bill, which will come out of conference committee, hasn't been written yet. We don't know whether they'll take the House or Senate language on abortion.


What is being voted on in the Senate tomorrow has no limitations with respect to abortion.


In either case... access to abortion is not being curtailed... only payment for it - if the House bill prevails.

It means that abortions would be paid out of pocket, not covered. And that is ONLY if the House bill wins out in this area.

[derby378]

36. I hate to tell you this...

Others outside the Senate, though, say the language could limit abortion coverage as much as Stupak-Pitts. Anyone who selects a plan that includes abortion coverage would have to pay two separate premiums -- even single men or older women, who would not need abortion coverage. Abortion rights supporters suggest that would prompt frustration and, in turn, reduce demand for such plans. Eventually, they argue, insurers may decide not to offer abortion coverage at all.

"The absurdity of requiring these two separate checks doesn't accomplish anything toward the supposed goal of segregating federal funds," said Cecile Richards, president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. "It just creates additional hoops for insurance companies...and more administrative burdens and obstacles for women to get the coverage they need."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/21/AR2009122103224.html?hpid=topnews

[MadHound]

20. What have we "won" exactly?

Sure, there's the ban on preexisting conditions and lifetime caps, that's a positive. Yet it is seriously outweighed by the fact that we've just handed the insurance industry a mandated monopoly. We're going to be paying for this victory for years and decades, as will your children and grandchildren. Are you ready to pay out over a quarter of your income in insurance premiums?

Not to mention that this "victory" comes on the back of half the population in this country. Women are going to have their right to choose severely restricted. Nice that you think of this sort of narrowing of women's rights a "win", most people generally consider it a loss.

Hopefully this will be the last win like this one, because frankly we can't afford another one.

[Name removed]

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[MadHound]

85. Hard to tell whether or not you're being sarcastic on this one

If you, great job, excellent dry wit.

If not, then I suggest you go look at the bill, the loopholes that will be exploited that are present in both House and Senate versions.

Oh, and the not for profit option, well it's going to be run by a (drumroll please) private corporation.:banghead:

[BeatleBoot]

21. I'm happy with it.

[last1standing]

24. You do realize this wasn't a game, don't you?

Obama may have won the day by getting his bill passed but the American people have lost by being saddled with a bill that does little more than obligate people to buy unregulated insurance with little hope of being able to actually use it.

What happens from this point:

1. 30 million people are forced to purchase health care they either will not be able to afford or afford to use after copays and deductables.

2. Millions of middle and working class families will be burdened with new taxes to pay for this insurance in the form of a tax on their employer provided coverage.

3. Insurance companies will still have very little oversight or reason not to take exorbitant salaries and bonuses.

4. Many state governments will use this as a back door to effectively banning reproductive rights for women.

5. Gay and Lesbian couples will still be penalized by having to pay as single members instead of receiving family rates.

That does not make a win for us in this game of three dimensional chess you're whooping about. It's just another tax without benefit to the vast majority.

[AllentownJake]

27. To answer your question

No they do not.

[scheming daemons]

33. Which is why Howard is saying "pass it"... and Bernie and Russ are voting FOR it, right?

Of your 5 points, only #5 is even remotely close to being accurate.

[last1standing]

39. I support most of Dean's policies, I don't worship at his feet.

When he's wrong, he's wrong. He's wrong.

As for the points made, everyone is a very real and present problem with this legislation as it stands. That's why every person you named said this was a bad bill. Their problem is that they're being promised that the things I've mentioned will be "revisited", which I'm sure will happen.

Nothing will be done about them, but they will be "revisited".

[AllentownJake]

25. We are back to talking about the 3-D Chess Game

[tridim]

35. No, but we should talk about your denial that indeed political chess was played.

Brilliantly at that.

[AllentownJake]

37. Yes

He managed to get a plan that includes a provision he vehemently campaigned against in a Democratic Primary, no Public Option, Abortion restrictions, and the Federal Government is paying the bill for Nebraska's Medicaid forever.

Note to self, do not shop for a car with Barack Obama.

[tridim]

40. I really want to play chess with you.

;)

[AllentownJake]

44. I prefer Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter

Which is a more fitting aspect of what goes on in D.C.

Obama has learned one move, and people are getting used to it, so he better come up with a new one.

[Ikonoklast]

76. But at least you will get to drive home in a car

where before you were walking.

You have to realize that this is only the start to health-care reform in this country, it is far from the end, far from the finished product.

Some people here would rather lose entirely, than win incrementally, no matter who might be helped.

[kenfrequed]

106. Of course

If we haven't spent the last 30 years losing incrementally as workers then maybe we would be more trusting of these sorts of compromises.

[kenfrequed]

46. Oh for the love of...

Politics is not chess. It's more like a combination of Poker, Calvinball, Pit, and basic negotiation.

CHC is a consolation prize (particularly at the comparably minute rate it is being funded) It is a "We're sorry we lost your reservations but here are some crumbs for you off the table."

What the majority of Americans could now be saddled with is being strapped to a for profit ambulance going off of a bridge into an icy river. There is almost nothing to control prices of insurance or cost of healthcare here.

[tridim]

50. Political chess is a real strategy.

But to understand it you have to first know the definition of the word "analogy".

Deny it all you want, we'll keep on winning.

[kenfrequed]

82. Right...since I'm clearly an idiot

For suggesting counter analogies or comparisons. Is it possibile you could make a real point without inserting some kind of misplaced smarmy insult?

The majority of patients and workers will still be subject to private insurance that is completely corrupt and that charges entirely too much money for services.

[txaslftist]

26. This is a victory?

LOL.

This legislation will make insurers a lot of money and provide substandard care to those folks who actually get it.

If the GOP were to draft health care legislation designed solely to enrich the pharma and health insurance industries, this is the bill they would have drafted.

"roh roh"

[ThomCat]

28. Bernie Sanders worked his butt off to lead on this

and you are giving Obama credit for it? :wtf:

Obama had absolutely nothing to do with leading on this development. Sanders did this. Sanders did all the legwork and the pushing to put this into the bill to make it less crappy. He deserves all the credit for this.

This, unfortunately, won't help people who don't live near any of these community health centers. That means people in a lot of big rural areas are mostly screwed. :(

But this is the first significant step forward that we've seen so far. The only reason this health care bill now has any significant expansion of health care provisions is because Bernie Sanders has the foresight and political skills that Obama lacks. Give credit where credit is due.

[tridim]

38. I give credit to everyone in the Democratic caucus.

Except Holy Joe who is a Republican IMO.

[ThomCat]

49. Not in your OP you didn't.

You only gave credit to Obama, who had the least to do with it.

[Cali_Democrat]

64. Hilarious

People attack Obama when they don't like the bill. But when they do like parts of the bill, they claim it was because of other people that those things got included and not because of Obama.

:rofl:

[ThomCat]

66. Some people actually pay attention to what is going on

and don't just look for opportunities to slobber kisses on Obama for what other people are doing.

If Obama was doing something worthy of Kudos he's get them, but he has been acting politically cowardly and ineffectual. He hasn't done a damned thing worthy of praise during these negotiations.

Laugh all you want, but you're just showing that you really don't care who is doing the real work. You just want to give Obama all the credit, but of course none of the responsibility. :eyes:

[CreekDog]

63. I give credit to Sanders also and the other reliably progressive Senators who did the same

I would add that beyond the community health centers, the expansion of Medicaid is an unequivocally good thing and probably a big part of the motivation of the most liberal Senators who have continued to support the health care bill.

But I'm not ready to see this as brilliant strategy or chess playing by Obama --someday, maybe we will find out from some Woodward book that it was, but it sure doesn't look like it from here.

[ThomCat]

68. I don't agree about expanding Medicaid. Nobody accepts it.

I've been on medicaid, and I searched for over a year and could not find a single specialist I needed IN NEW YORK Friggin CITY that would accept it and was taking new patients. This problem finding doctors who will accept medicaid is horrible in every city, and impossible in rural areas.

The Medicaid reimbursement rates are known to be far too low, and their rules are geared towards reimbursing hospitals, not doctors. So doctors only break even if they get paid through hospitals.

It is not a system that they will work well. Expanding Medicaid as a substitute for Medicare is doomed to failure from the very start, and that is exactly why they are willing to allow it. They know that this is a purely symbolic gesture to calm people down and fool people into thinking that they are making progress when actually they aren't.

Don't take the medicaid expansion seriously. It's a sham, and a PR move.

[Jamastiene]

99. Not to mention the fact that the expansion only mentions what

the states COULD do. It does not require it. So, there are still states that won't offer the coverage to people who don't already have it anyhow.

[Goldstein1984]

30. I don't see anything as orderly as chess being played

I think the game is Monopoly with loaded dice and a stacked deck.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

31. Five years from now...

no progressive will confess to having opposed this legislation.

[scheming daemons]

34. Bingo.

They'll be hailing it as the crowning achievement of this decade.

[valerief]

53. Just imagine the gutting it will get in five years!!! nt

[Ikonoklast]

77. Once in place, people in this country will want it expanded.

Politicians attempt to gut that hated Social Security at the expense of their political career.

This will be another 'third rail' for politicians.

As another poster noted, in five years any progressive who is currently against this bill will conveniently forget that they ever took that position.

[Cha]

43. A great many nails

on their heads with this OP, tridim.

Here's to getting more help in the Bill when it's in Conference.

[depakid]

45. This is either satire- or

Rather impressive fail.

Assuming the latter:

If you knew he first thing about chess- and how to look several moves forward you certainly haven't demonstrated one lick of that skill in this post (though you have managed to pigeonhole folks with juvenile name calling).

Had you an ounce of political insight, you'd recognize that by failing to use reconciliation- and by failing to stand up and fight for responsible reform, choosing instead to appease the likes of Lieberman and Nelson, et al., the board has been set up for every two bit corrupt extortionist in the Senate to push their corporate backer's agendas at every turn down the line.

This will further divide the party, result in more failed reforms and ineffective half measures, while feeding and reinforcing the public perception that Democrats are:

As corrupt and complicit as Republicans; or

Are too weak and inept to get er' done right in a way that demonstrably helps ordinary Americans and Main Street.

Either perception cedes the populist resentment, anger and anxiety back to Republicans- who've coopted it so many times before, knowing full well that it's what drives public policy in America.

[AllentownJake]

47. It is Major Fail

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Weh4W5_Q_Tg/SPYM1d3PRTI/AAAAAAAAAJA/WR2Sf_HlzoM/s400/DQFail.bmp

[Armstead]

48. AND if the goal is further improvemenst, this preempts that

We're taking our "chess pieces" off the board in a rush before the game is really over

[Divine Discontent]

56. and the silly pic they used makes it even more laughable... like he'd say that.

very good observations in your thought-provoking reply, that sadly, will more than likely come to pass - we're going to regret this bill I feel, and not just how we think about it, but as a country financially. :(

[bullwinkle428]

59. This is not your father's "THANK GAWD IT PASSED!!!1!"

;)

[valerief]

52. Chess and sausages, chess and sausages, chess and sausages.

Sick of hearing the same, tired excuses.

[ipaint]

54. Thank god we rescued the insurance companies.

I don't know how they would have withstood the massive migration of 170 million americans onto medicare in the next two decades. Given the birth rate their businesses would be substantially reduced both financially and politically. Oh the horror.

And giving up our only bargaining chip, the mandate, brilliant move.

I'm so glad we are putting a trillion of our hard earned tax dollars into saving their sorry murdering asses.

:fistbump:

[Fire1]

55. Classy and true. K&R

[ClarkUSA]

57. Speaking truth to power, tridim. Keep it up!

:thumbsup:

[Phx_Dem]

58. A sweet victory. n/t

[bvar22]

65. Chess....LOL.

Chess is a game where Pawns are sacrificed to protect the Royalty.

Yes. Obama played a masterful game of Chess.
The Health Insurance Royalty was protected!

Sucks if you are a Working Class Pawn who got sacrificed for the sake of Corporate Profits.

LOL.
MAN, you picked a BAD analogy.

[kayla9170]

67. BIG K & R...............

And thank you very much!! (((hugs)))

[NYC_SKP]

71. K & R! nt

[iceman66]

72. Great post!

Could not agree more with what you said.

[brentspeak]

73. "100%...CORPORATE opposition"

http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/141856/obama%27s_$80_billion_deal_with_pharma_is_a_very_bad_deal_for_us/">Obama's $80 Billion Deal with Pharma Is a Very Bad Deal for Us

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insure.html?_r=1">White House Affirms Deal on Drug Cost

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-na-healthcare-pharma4-2009aug04,0,3660985.story">Obama gives powerful drug lobby a seat at healthcare table

[cliffordu]

74. Kay and Are!!

[Avalux]

75. K&R! Excellent Post. n/t

[jgraz]

78. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer courageous leadership to sneaky chess moves.

Especially imaginary sneaky chess moves.

[scheming daemons]

81. Well... we know you prefer, with respect to HCR, the same things that 100% of the GOP prefer

100% of the GOP members in congress are voting against both the House and Senate versions of HCR.


You are for killing the bills.



You can call yourself whatever you want... but your interests, with respect to HCR, are 100% aligned with Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and every Republican member of congress.



You're a useful idiot for the GOP..... and you don't even realize it.

[jgraz]

86. People who can't tell the difference between left and right should leave politics to the adults.

Now run along. Uncle Rahm has a cookie for you.

[scheming daemons]

87. People who think 100% of GOP is voting against a "right wing bill" should leave politics to adults

You are advocating a position that is 100% in agreement with EVERY SINGLE GOP member of congress.


You can call yourself whatever you want.... but you're a useful idiot for Michael Steele.

[depakid]

88. On most any psychological inventory- that post rranks well below

what would be expected from a well considered adult.

Sorry to say- but that's at best the sort of "reasoning" we see among middle school kids- and below.

[ThePhilosopher04]

90. They're voting against it...

because it's extremely unpopular and they won't have to take credit for it...you watch when this thing backfires - and it will.

[flamingdem]

79. I'm feeling a little more optimistic.. nt

[Hutzpa]

80. Kicking

well deserved.


:kick:

[coti]

83. 1. e4 nt

[ThePhilosopher04]

89. You have it exactly backwards...

we were played by the GOP and the Corporations and did their exact bidding while they sat back and opposed it...now the Democrats will get all the blame for filling the coffers of the insurance industry and shoving the mandate down our throats, while the Pubes get to claim clean hands...reminds me of the Bugs Bunny cartoon when he was arguing "safe/out" with the umpire...eventually he turned it on it's head and had the umpire calling him safe...truly amazing how incompetent our supposed leaders have become.

[Skittles]

91. OMG please, not the fucking chess meme again

:puke:

[boppers]

93. Would you prefer a Rubik's cube?

Chess is a simple enough metaphor that most people have won, and lost.

[Skittles]

94. IT DOES NOT APPLY HERE

NOT EVEN FUCKING CLOSE

[Beacool]

95. It's all they got.

It was B.S. the first time they said it and it's even more so now.

:D

[CakeGrrl]

111. "They"? That attitude speaks volumes about the toxicity of DU lately.

Of course, to some "they" just might mean those who don't fervently wish with every fiber of their being that that Hillary was President right now. Sometimes it's one and the same.

:rofl:

But more seriously, it's really too bad that you want Obama to fail so much that you're so happy to think that those who DON'T want him to fail have nothing but chess analogies. Which is not true, but even you probably know that.

[QC]

96. Well, three card monte has very bad connotations, so

they're stuck with chess.

[Jim Sagle]

97. How sad and pathetic. No, really.

[eridani]

98. It is an absolutely stunning major FUCKOVER of the public

But I'm just an older piece of disposable human garbage, and we don't count.

[boomerbust]

100. Obama played the Blue Dogs like a fiddle

All the pork that was gived to the Blue Dog senators will come back to bite them in the final bill. The final bill will be closer to the house bill than the senate bill. They will have to accept compromise to bring home all the pork that was promised to them and their states.

[uponit7771]

104. I pray this is right, the senate bill smells stank without a government option

[PVnRT]

101. 3D JEDI NINJA PIRATE CHESS OMG!!!!

:eyes:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

102. K&R

Jane Hamsher has been exposed as a total moron by the likes of Klein, Krugman, and Silver. She brings absolutely no facts to the table and seeks solely to whip people into a frenzy. She's no better than O'Reilly or Limbaugh.

[IndianaGreen]

108. It's not chess, but a shell game

which results in a major tax increase for the middle class, and a bonanza of profits for the health industry.

In chess, you never surrender the queen in the opening move, as Obama did when he put single payer off the table.

[Wardoc]

109. Pathetic propaganda. It is the corporations that won this chess game. Obama lost. We lost.

[mkultra]

110. the insurance industry lap dogs will unrec

they hate this progress and have tried all along to stop any progress from occuring.