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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:27 PM
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Tax on Workers’ Health Insurance Plans a Bad Idea
Union workers are dead set against having their hard-won health benefits taxed by the government. These health benefits were won at the bargaining table, often at the expense of wage increases. In addition, union LGBT couples and families are doubly penalized for they are not considered "families" thanks to DOMA.

The tax on the misnamed "Cadillac plans" remains in the Senate version of HCR, despite efforts to have it stripped from the bill. USW's Jim Huber's words are representative of the rank-and-file, not only in USWA, but in the AFL-CIO.

December 11, 2009

Tax on Workers’ Health Insurance Plans a Bad Idea

USW Local 9477 Steelworker calls tax unfair at US Capitol Press Event


WASHINGTON, December 10 – The AFL-CIO leadership, the USW and other unions joined Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today in calling for the elimination of a provision in the Senate health reform bill which would tax some health insurance plans.

“Imposing an excise tax on health insurance plans would be a disaster for millions of middle class Americans,” Sanders said. “Some of my colleagues would have you believe that the tax in the Senate bill only falls on ‘Cadillac’ health care plans, but the truth is that the plans this bill will tax are more like Chevrolets.”

USW Local 9477 Baltimore Steelworker Jim Huber, employed at Severstal’s Sparrows Point steel mill, gave voice to the union’s opposition to the proposed tax on workers’ health plans at press event led by Sen. Sanders at the U.S. Capitol. “We don’t need any more taxes on the working class,” Huber declared. “It’s just unfair.”

AFL-CIO Executive Vice President Arlene Holt Baker also spoke out at the event, saying: “There’s a right way and a wrong way to pay for health care reform. Our message to the Senate is clear: A tax on working families is the wrong way.”

Sanders has introduced an amendment to strike this provision from the Senate-introduced Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The US House passed version of a health reform bill doesn’t impose a tax on workers’ health plans.

“Imposing a tax on health benefits while working to ensure that all Americans have good health benefits isn’t just illogical, it’s bad policy,” added Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), a co-sponsor of Sanders’ amendment. “We want Americans to have dental coverage. We want Americans to have vision coverage. We cannot then penalize Americans that already do.” Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) has also co-sponsored the amendment.

The so-called “Cadillac” health insurance plans in fact can have premiums around $8,500 for an individual plan and $23,000 for a family plan.

According to Mercer, one of the largest employer consulting firms in the country, this tax would hit one in five health insurance plans by 2016. The Communication Workers of America (CWA) has estimated that this would cost families with a Federal Employee Health Benefits Blue Cross/Blue Shield standard plan with dental and vision benefits an average of $2,000 per year over the 10 year course of this bill, and individuals with the same plan can average $1,600 a year over the same period. As health care costs continue to rise, the tax will hit more and more health care plans. By 2019, it will burden one in three.

http://www.usw.org/media_center/news_articles?id=0464
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:36 PM
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1. Please kick
:kick:
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:38 PM
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2. k&r for the truth. This bill is a very bad idea. n/t

Kill the bill.


Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:39 PM
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3. In a disturbing trend,
I find myself agreeing with you...
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:43 PM
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4. If you have a $23,000 insurance policy, you will handle it fine
I am more concerned about someone making $23,000 a year
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:42 AM
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10. If you are a LGBT couple, the tax kicks in at $8,500
because the federal government does not recognize you as a couple, thanks to DOMA.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:16 AM
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12. It remains to be seen, but this may very well affect us, not that that's why I dislike this bill...
Our benefits through the union are very good, and it's the reward for many years spent working hard and being dedicated in a very difficult profession. Yes, we're homeowners and by many standards are doing well, but we both work hard, pay taxes and struggle to raise our children and provide for their futures.

Fine. Noblesse Oblige. We'll shoulder another burden if called upon to, and we're glad that many will have access to health care that is simply necessary, but it's not just a fine and easy thing that we can have our accountant cut another check for while our personal assistant fixes us another highball; it's something that will eat into our spending power, thus affecting the wobbly economy, and it's yet another reminder that we are the productive members of society who are fair game to be shaken down some more. Paying for the kids' college still has to happen, and shocks to MAJOR expectations really disrupt some of our lives.

Being fucked by the rich is to be accepted, but being blithely expected to tithe more in a realm where we thought there was some expectation of safety is a bit of a hit. Hearing that we're fair game (and the intimation that we're greedy rich fucks who deserve it anyway) from fellow plebeians is an insult and beyond abusive. It's a complex life, and people making simplistic dismissals show their facile nature and general lack of empathy.

This is precisely how the Reagan Administration divided the working- and middle-classes: it used envy against minorities (affirmative action) and against union members to cloud the issue of the rich literally skating on their obligations to a society that benefits them so much.

It remains to be seen whether or to what degree this will personally affect our household economy, but we're definitely in the cross-hairs, and the inference to be drawn from this is most disgusting: once the concept is accepted, it's probably just a matter of time.

All in all, I'm glad that many more will be saved from the savagery of not having primary care, but this was most unkind, as is your flippant proclamation that my children's pockets are so brimming that to be picked won't even break their stride.

The bottom line is this: the administration secures the secure FIRST, and only then takes any steps for the underlings. Sure, we'll cover some more people (not ALL of them, though) but only after we've guaranteed the safety and unmolested mercenary freedom of for-profit medicine. That's fine, I guess; a few crumbs will definitely tumble down to the scrabbling poor, and hopefully those fewer and fewer of us in the middle won't get brought down to financial ruin, but I don't have to call it shinola, and you're not being virtuous in your ill-informed sloppy dismissal.

Not cool.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:03 AM
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5. A bad idea already had - by the GWB administration and his GOP Congress.
This was on the GWB wish list of things his benefactors wanted. Namely, employers want it in order to force union members to give up their good medical benefits, in favor of shitty underinsurance paid for exclusively by workers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=210673">Their goal - END employer paid health care

I never thought a Democratic majority would ever sell out workers like this. We have truly lost our way.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:09 AM
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6. That is a great 2006 thread by salin
a fellow Hoosier, I may add, who I had the pleasure to meet at an antiwar rally in february 2002.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:08 AM
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11. Yes, that's why I saved it all this time.
Salin was quite prophetic with that one.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:25 AM
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9. You're right
The fact that anyone on a Dem board would support this is truly sad.
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:10 AM
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7. This is one more part of this bill
that is totally crazy. Punishing plans that provide good health care. What a dumb idea.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 06:03 AM
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13. You can bet the cut off for taxes on Insurance plan
will be just above the health plans carried by the Representatives and Senators of the Congress.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:24 AM
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8. Cosmetic surgery, breast implants, butt lifts...
Why shouldn't such things be covered?

:sarcasm:
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