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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:36 PM
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Countdown showed a lot of video of Obama campaigning on the Public Option......
Obama would be much better coming out and saying 'I campaigned on it, I wanted it, I hoped to get it, but I couldn't so I got the best we could in the current political situation."

Him saying he never campaigned on it really looks worse than just saying "I tried".

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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:38 PM
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1. Agree that's true
But IMHO he never wanted it. It was lip service to the progressives/liberal Dems. Once he got elected well, we know what happened.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:41 PM
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2. Gotcha!
Just too damn bad it ain't an election year, hey?
And if it was, too damn bad this would only help the opposition.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:03 PM
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15. So you really don't care that we have a dishonest president
who openly and blatantly lies to us? :wtf:
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:42 PM
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3. Watch Out Some Here On the DU
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 10:42 PM by rsmith6621

....will say you are the one not being truthful.....
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:42 PM
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4. Lying is ok when it's Obama doing it. nt
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 10:43 PM by jonnyblitz
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:44 PM
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6. How did he lie? He wanted it, but no way to get it. It is called reality!
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:06 PM
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16. He claimed in an interview this week that he never wanted it
and never campaigned on it. He's claiming that people are expecting something from him that he never campaigned on. This is not only a lie, it is an easily proven lie, and several shows are showing clips of him during the campaign to prove it.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:49 PM
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8. Repug logic. Shame we are using it. nt
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andyrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:42 PM
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5. Exactly. That's the point we need to get across most.
And why the fuck would anyone on here unrec that?!?!
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:45 PM
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7. that's what he is saying now
It's what he should have said to the Washington Post, too. Assuming he was quoted fully and accurately (and I have no reason to believe he wasn't), his statement yesterday was dumb and disingenuous. At least he's not standing by it.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/july-dec09/obama_12-23.html#transcript

PRESIDENT OBAMA: You know, look, I've been in favor of the public option. I think the more choice, the more competition we have, the better.

On the other hand, I think that the exchange itself, the system that we're setting up that forces insurance companies to essentially bid for three million or four million or five million people's business, that in and of itself is going to have a disciplining effect.

Would I like one of those options to be the public option? Yes. Do I think that it makes sense, as some have argued, that, without the public option, we dump all these other extraordinary reforms and we say to the 30 million people who don't have coverage, "You know, sorry. We didn't get exactly what we wanted?" I don't think that makes sense.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:58 PM
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12. he's not standing by his statements in the wapo yesterday?
i missed that part. what did he say. i saw him on the news hour and he said
he was happy with this bill.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:09 PM
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19. He's not saying that he didn't campaign on the public option. He's still happy with the bill
He's saying that he wanted the public option but had to compromise, which is what I thought the OP was saying he should have said from the start.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:13 PM
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22. i got it
that's what i thought he should have said as well.
i don't like this bill but lets see how it looks when it gets to his desk.
if it still has mandates and no public option tho i wish he'd veto it.
that said i won't be pissed when he doesn't.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:54 PM
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9. True. The Administration is not handling criticism well.
At least, not the criticism that's coming from the left.

Kill the bill.


Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:59 PM
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13. I don't think they anticipated such a backlash from the Left
The Clintonistas who run Obama's Admin think it's still the 1990's before the Internet became such an effective organizing tool and when Progressive voices were shut out of traditional media. With MSNBC, Progressives have Ed Schultz, who is pounding the Obama Admin for their lack of support for the public option. Keith Olbermann smacked them in his Special Comment and Rachel Maddow helps uncover their inconsistancies. Only Chris Matthews is being a good puppy dog for the Obama Admin.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:07 PM
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17. It really is remarkably different.
I would say, "thank goodness," but the results, in terms of actual policy, seem to be the same.

Kill the bill.


Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:56 PM
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10. and the part about individual mandates
he was against them in the primaries but for them in the senate bill.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:57 PM
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11. That's because "I tried" is an even bigger lie.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:02 PM
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14. Transparency would have gone a long way with the people.
But, we didn't get that either. :(
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:07 PM
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18. Good point. n/t

Kill the bill.


Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:10 PM
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20. True.
All his efforts seem to have been in the other direction, unfortunately, towards making the corporations happy and meeting their goals, and towards making the conservatives happy and meeting their goals, but never towards making citizens happy and meeting OUR goals.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:12 PM
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21. People fell for the old bait & switch again...
Yours truly included.

Next time out, some of us at least will have wised up and learned.
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bajamary Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:15 PM
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23. MSNBC Countdown had videos of Obama for PO

Tonight MSNBC's Countdown had many, many videos of the then candidate Obama saying that he was for a public option, that he supported a public option, that a public option was necessary for health care reform etc, etc.

Obama obviously can't handle criticism especially from the Progressives.

But how stupid does he think we are saying that he "never campaigned" on a public option?

Doesn't he know about video technology, speech transcripts, etc, etc?


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