An Incredible Acomplishment!

[MannyGoldstein]

A Democratic President and Congressional super-majority were unable to win what two-thirds of Americans want - Medicare for all.

I gotta agree, it's amazing.

Quite something.

[timeforpeace]

1. Unprecedented! B+!

[stevenleser]

2. Democrats dont have a super majority (nt)

[BeatleBoot]

11. +10,000

Ding, ding!

We have a winner!

[MannyGoldstein]

17. Yes, They Do

60 in the Senate.

[BeatleBoot]

20. So when does a "Congressional Super Majority" only include the Senate?

bi-cameral

[MannyGoldstein]

21. A Super-Majority Is Enough Votes To Be Unstoppable

Happens to be the same as a simple majority in the House.

So, we have a super-majority in Congress. Both houses.

[BeatleBoot]

33. 58 Dems, 40 Republicans, 2 Independents

Not a Super-Majority.

Though it would be nice.

[stevenleser]

42. Exactly. NOT a supermajority. For that, it would require 60 actual Democrats

Even then, it would mean they all would have to follow the direction of the majority leader everytime that it was asked of them. That isnt the way ANY Democrats operate, one only needs to look at this forum for the last few weeks.

[tavalon]

44. Not to be too nitpicky,

but I think it's actually 58 Dems, 40 Repubs, 1 independent and 1 self serving scumbag jackass.

[BeatleBoot]

47. I couldn't disagree

good assessment

[stevenleser]

43. There are 58 Democrats in the senate, 40 Republicans, 1 Socialist and 1 Independant

Nice try though

[liberal N proud]

3. All the while fighting corporate involvement and several obstructionist

with in the majority party and a totally obstructionist minority.

[andyrowe]

4. Here here!

I made a video to express this exact sentiment. Linked in my sig.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. And It's A Great Video, Thanks! nt

[valerief]

5. That 1% wealth beats the 99% leftover change every time. nt

[HughMoran]

7. Three cheers for acting like a flaming ass hole!!

:woohoo:

[Laelth]

8. Incredible, indeed. n/t

Kill the bill.

Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth

[ProSense]

9. "Congressional super-majority" = 67 n/t

[BeatleBoot]

12. + 10,000

Co - winner!

[MannyGoldstein]

15. Try Again.

60 in the Senate. Undefined, I believe, in the House.

Or provide a link if I'm wrong, thanks.

[jefferson_dem]

18. You really expected all 60 Senate Dems to vote lock-step with your health care fantasy?

:crazy:

[MannyGoldstein]

19. Are You Changing The Subject?

Why?

[BeatleBoot]

23. No change of subject. OP called it a "Congressional Super Majority"

Not a Senate super majority.

[MannyGoldstein]

25. And Mate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=91324&mesg_id=91447

[BeatleBoot]

30. Lieberman, Sanders are 2 independents, 58 Dems and 40 Pukes

Explain to me how that is a Super Majority for the Democrats?

[jefferson_dem]

26. Not. You said the Dems should be able to ram through whatever they/you want since they had POTUS

and 60 Senators. That assumes the Dems are all unified behind what they/you want.

[Garam_Masala]

35. They just did! eom

[jefferson_dem]

36. Reality. Not fantasy.

Viva la difference.

[fadedrose]

37. My fantasy

My fantasy goes like this - Howard Dean, the Woodsman, arrives just in time to save Miss Congress and Grandma (that's us) from the big bad wolf (private insurance companies). The clueless mom who sent out Miss Congress would have to be the President, who seemed unaware of the danger...

Fantasy couldn't happen. Spies from Hartford and Omaha started rumor that Woodsman was irrational....so no one listened.

[jefferson_dem]

10. Lame whinery.

Do you have a link to that 2/3 poll?

[Cali_Democrat]

13. 2/3 of Americans want medicare for all? Please gimme a link. I didn't know that.

Thank you in advance :hi:

[MannyGoldstein]

16. See

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7172977

[jefferson_dem]

22. "two experiments with “citizen juries”"

Luntz would be proud.

Interesting methodology but hardly enough evidence to claim that 2/3 of the public actually supports medicare for all.

[MannyGoldstein]

24. So... Do We Have A Super-Majority?

I'm on the edge of my chair.

[jefferson_dem]

29. Having trouble keeping up?

I'm not challenging your definition of "super majority" ... though I would call it a "filibuster proof" Democratic majority rather than a "super majority" which typically means 2/3 of the chamber (as is necessary to override vetos, ratify treaties, removal by impeachment, etc).

[BeatleBoot]

31. 58 Dems, 40 Pukes, 2 Independents

Sure doesn't look like one to me.

[ProSense]

34. A super majority is two thirds of the Senate

It is required to override a veto, change the Senate rules, etc. That is a super majority. You are focusing on a three-fifths majority required for cloture.

[BeatleBoot]

14. Given that the United States is a Constitutional Republic

and not a democracy

and that the Democrats do not have a super majority, as you claim.

I would agree (without your sarcasm) that it is an incredible accomplishment.

Totally Fantastic!

The U.S. Constitution prevails, we are a land of laws, and I love my country.

[niceypoo]

27. Do you know what a democracy is?

Majority rule. Either directly by the people or by elected representative.

Been a while since I heard that crusty RW talking point.

[BeatleBoot]

32. Yes. But you don't.

A democracy means that if the other 9 people decide, they can eat the 10th person.

See ancient Greece, the first democracy.

The difference is that we have a Constitution to protect the 10th person.

Crucial difference there.

We live in a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.

And I am a Democrat.

[niceypoo]

39. LOL

A constitutional republic is a type of democracy, Einstein.

[BeatleBoot]

46. Yeah, Lots of Laughs

at you, poo.


Let me know when you can wrap your head around it all.


:rofl:

[tavalon]

A land of laws?

OMG, we started the war crimes prosecutions and I missed it!?!!!

[tavalon]

45. A land of laws?

OMG, we started the war crimes prosecutions and I missed it!?!!!

[scheming daemons]

28. Meh... unrecommend

[AVID]

38. Keep working - we are on our way! (PASS THE BILL)

[ThePhilosopher04]

40. What's even more amazing...

is they're doing the bidding of the Insurance Industry while Republicans sit back, laugh and pretend to oppose the legislation...Dems will take all the heat when this thing blows up in all of our collective faces and Republicans will ride in on their white horses...they know Dems have no spine and all they have to do is obstruct and the Dems will cave...incompetence on the highest order if you ask me - or corruption, take your pick.

[Goldstein1984]

41. Amazing will be if they keep what they have in 2010

Like it or not, the Democrats--House, Senate and Whitehouse--are all in the same boat. All of the Executive Branch failures and all of the Legislative Branch failures are going to be lumped together.

Either they get something meaningful done or the super-majority or near-super-majority argument will be moot.