Today, I stand with Bernie Sanders, Al Franken, Vicki Kennedy and others in supporting this HCR bill

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

To those that do not, who do you stand with? Jane Hamsher, John Boehner, and Mitch McConnell. And you have the gall to call the supporters of the bill sell outs?

[Clio the Leo]

1. Dont forget that Palin woman. NT

[MercutioATC]

2. That's complete bullshit.

Stating that people who have problems with this bill are "standing with Boehner"?

Only small minds buy into accusations like that.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

6. Boehner opposed the bill; Sanders supported it.

It seems like a pretty clear line to me.

[MercutioATC]

11. I'd imagine it would.

I'll defer to my prior assessment.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Vegetarians Stand With Hitler

Per your rhetoric.

[Ian David]

4. You know who else compared people to Hitler? HITLER! n/t

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. Very, very weak. (nt)

[liberalmuse]

10. BULLSHIT!

At least the poster's argument wasn't pulled out of their ass. Hitler was NOT a vegetarian. This is the shit that has turned DU in to a cesspool.

[graywarrior]

25. That is, by far, one of the most vile of statements ever made at DU

God damn bottom feeders being allowed to post this shit.

[MannyGoldstein]

28. So I Stand With John Boehner and Mitch McConnell?

I was pointing out that the OP used an awful rhetorical stunt to compare me with awful people.

Using the same stunt, vegetarians stand with Hitler.

I agree with Boehner's and McConnell's votes on this bill, but for totally different reasons. Exactly opposite reasons, in fact.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

29. Familiar with the term "the bottom line"? (nt)

[Jakes Progress]

32. Manny, Manny.

You are trying to be logical and honest with a group that doesn't work that way. Let it go. They aren't worth the Norvasc.

Peace.

[NJmaverick]

36. Getting nailed by Godwin's law is now consider "logical and honest"?

[Jakes Progress]

51. Logical and honest

are terms used to describe people who, for instance, don't argue positions they know to be false and deceitful. By this form of argument, you would have to admit to being a supporter of Joe Lieberman since you agree with him that this is a good bill and stand shoulder to shoulder with him in his fight. See. Stupid is as stupid does.

Read a little more about memetics and Godwin. Manny tossed the OP's absurdity in his lap by calling him on his dishonest use of comparisons. Typical of those who know just enough to think they are bright, some here picked it up and played with it. Just goes to show that this kind of crowd barely recognizes the obvious. You were taunted and didn't even get it.

[NJmaverick]

37. If you don't like the company, maybe you need to find a new position

[apocalypsehow]

40. Pitiful bilge. n/t.

[lamp_shade]

5. Well said, NDW.

[liberalmuse]

7. Amen!

I stand with those who want to see health care moving forward. I'm just not one of those 'all-or-nothing' people. We should always continue to push for a public option and a better health care system, amongst other things, because we still have a ton of work to do. We're not there yet, but we're at least one small step closer. Just like the Democrats in the Senate left the do-nothing Republicans behind (there's nothing more disgusting than adults who behave like whiny children), I'm leaving Hamsher and her ilk behind. I guess they still want someone to hate - it doesn't seem to matter that W deserved the contempt and Obama does not. They want someone to demonize, and that makes them more like the Republicans than not.

[goclark]

17. Amen to your Amen

Working together as Democrats we can achieve great things.

I urge everyone to read the last Sen. Kennedy's book ~ then you will see that this would be a BEAUTIFUL DAY for him.

[NJmaverick]

8. and President Clinton and Obama and VP Biden and Paul Krugman

and all the other Democratic Senators.


YES WE CAN!

[girl gone mad]

12. And a whole 21% of the population.

http://www.galen.org/component,8/action,show_content/id,71/blog_id,1291/type,33/?_highlight=survey">Good luck with that.

[liberalmuse]

13. Proof.

Really? So you are saying that all of those who wanted the Medicare buy in are against this bill? I think not. Pissing on a thread with a strawman. Nice.

[girl gone mad]

14. The proof was in my post.

[VMI Dem]

15. Don't forget big insurance, big pharma and Joe Lieberman.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

19. The first two opposed the bill.

So yes, I forgot to include them in with those that stand with Boehner, Hamsher, and McConnell. Thank you for reminding me.

[VMI Dem]

22. They opposed it after cutting a deal with the White House?

Keep spinning this bill.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

24. Keep pissing in the pool. I've got plenty of chlorine. (nt)

[Armstead]

27. They opposed the bill and then got what they wanted

That is the crux of the problem.

No public option or Medicare buy in, but millions of enforced customers. Huge subsidies going from taxpayers into insurance industry. No outright straightforward price controls.

Progressives got substandard "free" clinics, expansion of Medicaid (not expansion of Medicare) and a "no denial" clause that is dubious.

[RBInMaine]

16. Damn well said. The Hamsher/Huffington extremists need to re-take middle school civics.

[brentspeak]

18. You have a vote in the Senate?

Who knew?

[OKNancy]

20. I'm selfish. It's going to help me out

so, I am grudgingly for the thing.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

21. It ain't selfish when 29,999,999 other people will be helped too. (nt)

[TwilightGardener]

23. There are some fine people who wanted this bill to pass. Their

confidence in it gives me confidence. Maybe we're all wrong, but time will tell. For now, I'm cautiously optimistic.

[azmouse]

26. K&R

[Cha]

30. Now now now...the opposition stands with jane hamsher

..who stands with grover norquist and wants to "MARCH WITH THE TEABAGGERS"..that's quite the distinction.

[depakid]

31. You stand with the health insurance industry- and are now going to be identified with the abuses

that you and the Democrats have encouraged and enabled.

Enjoy your new status!

[Bobbie Jo]

33. K&R !

[ibegurpard]

34. give me a break

this does nothing but codify insurance company profits.
and you have the gall to call it reform...

[NJmaverick]

35. So I should ignore the impressive collection of Dems and Liberals

and listen to you instead?

[ibegurpard]

38. don't listen to me

just read it
you are cheerleading the mandate to REQUIRE people to purchase insurance from for-profit companies whose responsbility to shareholders is to keep from paying out as much as possible. That's it in a nutshell.
That's your idea of reform?

[NJmaverick]

39. What about the requirement that each state offer a not for profit alternative

doesn't that dispute your claims?

[ibegurpard]

42. a not for profit INSURANCE alternative?

try again

[NJmaverick]

43. Never mind I think I am going to stand with the other people

they are not hung up on words like "insurance"

[ibegurpard]

44. stand wherever you want

doesn't change the fact that you have not changed a thing with our health care industry other than to codify insurance company profits.
congratulations...you won!

[apocalypsehow]

45. And while you huff and puff on an internet discussion board, 30 million people with no health care

just got it. I'll stand with them. You go stand with Grover.

[ibegurpard]

46. no, 30 million people were just forced to buy insurance

whether they get healthcare is up to their insurance company

[apocalypsehow]

47. You go on peddling those RW talking points. Tell Grover & Jane hi for us. n/t.

[ibegurpard]

48. you have your political spectrums mixed up

unless i woke up in a parallel universe where the right wing was fighting for single payer as an alternative to mandated insurance coverage?
i guess it's all just semantics to you since I'm not blithely joining the "hey we won" lemming parade?

[apocalypsehow]

52. Someone's got "political spectrums" mixed up alrighty: I'm not the one standing with Grover & Jane.

Own it.

[ibegurpard]

53. no, you're standing with the little furry creatures headed over yonder cliff

[apocalypsehow]

54. And right on cue, the personal attacks commence. Indicative of a person out of things to say. *Yawn*

:boring:

[apocalypsehow]

41. K & R. n/t.

[jeanpalmer]

49. It's not whom you stand with that counts

It's what you stand for. And what you're willing to sacrfice to stand with them. In this case, you're sacrificing an opportunity to get real HCR and instead adopting a bad and costly imitation. It's important to form your own judgments based on facts, which are easily obtainable. And not be swayed by the crowd.

[ClarkUSA]

50. Birds of a feather... are biased together.

:rofl:

[Truth2Tell]

55. If I can list the most people

who agree with my position, does that mean I'm right?

:shrug: