I just called and thanked Sanders ! GOP Waterloo Coming In 2010.

[RBInMaine]

I support single payer and public option. And I am not thrilled with this bill. But I damn well see reality too, know history, know civics, and agree with Sanders and other practical progressives that we need to make a start on this issue (full coverage) after 65+ years of trying. If this effort was killed, as the unpractical Jane Hamsher types want, it seriously risks derailing this for many more years as countless thousands of Americans continue to die. There is no more chance of getting the public option right now than there is of Nader or Kucinich ever becoming president. (BUT, it may in the future with the right kind of broad national movement. So we can continue to work on it going forward as a separate bill.) American history and civics lessons are called for here. Thank you Democrats ! Thank you Bernie Sanders ! We are FINALLY making a START. And a bill WILL pass before the State of the Union address. Dems will be rewarded. RePUKES will be punished. In 2010 the economy will continue to improve. A jobs bill will also pass. Iraq troops will come home in significant numbers.

So Merry Christmas GOP ! Enjoy the big black dirty boulders of coal in your sad pathetic lying heartless stockings.

[Clio the Leo]

1. lol, It was fun watching "How Bernie Saved Christmas" this year huh?

..... as I'm sure his opinion on the bill had a lot of influence with the other progressivs in the caucus. If he had to "steal" money for community health centers in order to secure his vote, good for him!

[LastNaturalist]

2. Good stuff. Hey DeMint: Waterloo coming for you.

[jimlup]

3. That is basically my position too

However, I would disagree that the chances of a "public option" are as good as getting Nader or Kucinich elected. Actually, a majority of the American population supports the "public option". And considering all the mis-information that is out there that is significant.

I'd say that the majority of the American population supports "single payer" though after the hoopla of stupid propaganda and mis-information this summer and fall a significant number of that majority is probably now somewhat confused. Nevertheless, we need to push for single payer still.

Hurry for Bernie!

[RBInMaine]

4. Agreed. I just meant that the 60 votes are not there and won't be anytime soon.

[FreakinDJ]

5. Boy do you got that 1 wrong - this is the Dems Waterloo

quit polishing the turd

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[Moochy]

8. No matter how many real reality realisitic grown-ups and Nader!!11zzzz you add...

it still is a par for the course ad hominem to call someone a fool here, and rather jerky.

[RBInMaine]

10. Jane Hamsher "kill the bill" talk is nonsense, shows no-sense, and is nonsensical. How 'bout that?

[FreakinDJ]

12. You still have a very short memory

Poppy Bush loss in 1992

Democrat Looses in 1994

Obama landslide in 2008

These are election cycles where the Blue Collar Working class got excited. Granted many folks here would like to attribute it to "Rock the Vote" (1992) or Financial Crash (2006/2008) But the reality is in elections where winners or losers are decided by 1 - 3% margins the Dems are taking on 13% of the population and their spouses which could easily be close to a 20% voting block.

A Highly Pissed Off 20% voting block, who feels singled out, persecuted, betrayed and "Wanting some Payback" will sink the Dems as sure as the Sun Rises

[FreakinDJ]

11. Pass the Cadillac Tax plan and just see what happens

Does the 1994 election cycle mean any thing to you?

BTW: I was NEVER for "Nader the Trader" and I have been voting Democrats into office since you were prepubescent

[daa]

6. GOP waterloo what polls are you reading???? nt

[RBInMaine]

9. They are banking on huge wins. Won't happen. In fact, if the economy improves enough and with

health and jobs bills, the GOP could conceivably lose seats. They will certainly NOT re-take either chamber. So ok, I was obviously using "Waterloo" back at them, but any wins they do get will be pretty damn minimal if Dems stick together and get the health and jobs bills passed, and if the economy continues to improve. As to polls, they mean NOTHING right now.

[FreakinDJ]

14. Economy improving in 94 didn't help the DEMs at all

they still got clobbered for enacting anti-working class legislation

Honestly just exactly what are you basing your hypotheses on?

[daa]

31. It is a little too late to start worrying about jobs for 2010

Bush the father learned that. People would need to start getting jobs by February or March to start feeling good by November but the consensus for the unemployment rate is 9.9% in December of 2010. That will get a lot of people thrown out of office.

[Bitwit1234]

13. Tsk tsk tsk you all know that according to the media who are so so liberal

the republicans are going to win everything in sight in 2010 and 2012. So don't buy any lottery tickets they are going even gonna win all them too..... That liberal media...if they could only "make it so".

[ShortnFiery]

15. "... the republicans are going to win everything in sight in 2010 and 2012."

This time the corporate whores within the M$M are spot on. <Bookmark>

[Odin2005]

16. Wrong party. It's the Democratic Party that will have the Waterloo

Our congresscritters sold out to Big Insurance, making us serfs. They just gave the Teabaggers a PR gift.

[Cha]

17. No, I hope you don't get your ugly wish.

The Democrats have been working hard to get what they could inspite of the asshole republicons and other obstructionists.

[Odin2005]

20. Wish? It's NOTsomething I WANT to come true.

[quaker bill]

28. This will not be the issue

It might be for you, but the country will have long moved on by next November. Tea baggers are Bush deadenders and will be treated as such by the electorate at large. The more they get involved and out in front, the more Democratic Party candidates will win.

Had liberals gotten their way (single payer) participation would have been mandatory for everyone, even those happy with their personal status quo. This would have lead to a massive political defeat, because the vast majority who are insured would have had to change to a new system they were unsure about. While the end result over years would likely be better, all there would have been for election 2010 was the real threat of pending massive change to be demagoged. As it is, what President Obama said will be true, if you have healthcare and you like it, no change will be required.

I have healthcare and I sort of like it. If it was a tad better regulated, I would like it more. The fact that my daughter will be able to stay on it until she is 27 works for me. That they will remove maximum lifetime benefit limits would have helped my parents and may help me at some point.

25 million poor and working poor people will be provided heavily subsidized or free healthcare at CHC's.

This will not be a large issue for election 2010, and to the extent it is and issue at all, it will be a net winning issue.

[Garam_Masala]

18. I just do not like that Health Insurance company stocks are surging

if this bill was bad for them, it would be the opposite.

[stevietheman]

19. Stock traders with temporary emotional elation decides this?

Sure, the private health insurers aren't going to have to face the public option, but they will have to face many other regulations. This isn't all roses for them.

[ClarkUSA]

21. Um, no: "Health Insurance Stocks Decline on News of Senate Passage of Reform Bill"

Nate Silver headline:

Health Insurance Stocks Decline on News of Senate Passage of Reform Bill; Have Underperformed Market Since Start of Week

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/health-insurance-stocks-decline-on-news.html

Why do cartel shareholders hate this bill?

Rather -- the stock market is screwy. Using it as a short-term barometer of anything can be misleading.

http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2009/12/stocks_are_scre.html

[Garam_Masala]

26. OK good..I do not follow day to day prices, just the LT trends eom

[totodeinhere]

22. I'm not so sure about that.

If they had passed a good progressive bill, then yes, we benefit in 2010. But with this travesty of a bill I don't think so. People won't like being forced to make the health insurance companies richer.

[depakid]

23. Now that the Democrats stand with the "most popular" industry in America

Expect a Waterloo alright- and a well deserved one at that.

Republican strategists will indeed have a very merry Christmas.

[avaistheone1]

27. Yes, unless the Dems can somehow redeem this by improving on it significantly in conference.

[Clear Blue Sky]

24. No way.

GOP will be energized. Just look at the polls. Generic party match ups, etc.

[ibegurpard]

25. really?

so along with all the republicans who would've gotten fired up no matter what was passed you now have to deal with the apathy of plenty of progressives who are disgusted at this blatant insurance industry giveaway?
that's a rosy scenario?

[yurbud]

29. would killing the senate bill kill the house one too, or just mean that only the house one would be

debated in the conference committee.

[yurbud]

30. withhold praise for the good until Obama signs the bill. Otherwise, negotiations are over