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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:22 PM
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So how well did kill the bill work last time? Sixteen wasted years.
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 07:55 PM by TheBigotBasher
There are lessons to be learnt from the health battles in 1993. Key lessons for all. The 1993 bill faced heavy opposition from Republicans and the health insurance industry. Democratic Senators instead of uniting behind the President's original proposal, offered a number of competing plans of their own.

Much of that was avoided this time but it did not stop certain Bush Dog Senators using blackmail to work against key proposals.

The Clinton plan would have required each US citizen to enrol in a qualified health plan. It would have legislated for minimum coverage standards and maximum annual out-of-pocket expenses for each plan. 16 years later it has become "mandated insurance".

It proposed the establishment of corporate "regional alliances" of health providers to be subject to a fee-for-service schedule. 16 years later, the regional exchanges of "Hillary care" are back on an optional basis for States in the Senate version, in the House version there is the Insurance Exchange.

In 1993 Bill Clinton told Congress,

Millions of Americans are just a pink slip away from losing their health insurance, and one serious illness away from losing all their savings. Millions more are locked into the jobs they have now just because they or someone in their family has once been sick and they have what is called the preexisting condition. And on any given day, over 37 million Americans—most of them working people and their little children—have no health insurance at all. And in spite of all this, our medical bills are growing at over twice the rate of inflation, and the United States spends over a third more of its income on health care than any other nation on Earth.


Sixteen years later nothing of that has changed, except for 10 million more being added to the ranks of the uninsured.

Congress fought the Presidential proposals tooth and nail. The then chairman of the Senate Finance Committee voiced strong opposition to President Clinton's proposal to expand health care coverage to all Americans. Senator Moynihan famously said that "there is no health care crisis in this country."

Sixteen years later, the much weakened proposals which are in part a result of the work of the Senate Finance Committee betray a similar attitude.

The compromises broke the bill. There was not a consensus on a single proposal never mind enough votes to reach cloture in the Senate and the House had no agreement between the various factions within the Democratic caucus.Blue Dogs wanted nothing and sided with the Republicans. Those on the left wanted single payer or nothing and another group opposed the mandates.

Sixteen years later the same battles raged.

Democrats kept proposing bills that cut away the numbers to be covered. Roland Thomas kept drafting compromises, cutting numbers covered from 100% to 95% and Reaching as low as 90% as the battle drew to a close. There wasn't unity to get a single proposal through.

The Republicans remained a solid voting block of no. They had been instructed to vote no on any compromise by Kristol of the "Project for the Republican Future" think tank. Ginrich became the Congressional tool. They were encouraged to believe that health care, was the final nail in the GOP coffin because it would have been the last building bloc of real social security reform.

Sixteen years later the think tanks are replaced by talk radio. That paranoia has got worse now.

Not finding any majority, Senate Leader Mitchell killed the bill in September 1994.

The Republicans victorious, having stopped a stimulus programme and now health care were jubilant. The Democratic Party, despite having a Democratic House, Senate and President were despondent.

The Senate that November went from a 56-44 Democratic majority to a 53-47 Republican majority. The House went from having a 256-178 majority to a 230-204 majority.

The Republicans then spent the rest of the time going after Democratic members one by one until they got to the President.

Sixteen years later, what would the GOP do now? Go away quietly as a result of a bill (that is far from perfect) being killed, congratulating the President and Congress for the effort, or use that failure to once again remove any chance of health care for another 16 years?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:38 PM
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1. So how did electing an unabashed Corporate Dem work last time?
(See above)
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:49 PM
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3. Still a million times better than the Congress that followed
and all the resulting crap that arose as a result of that Conngress.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:53 PM
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7. Are you talking about the 94 Congress that got elected after Clinton betrayed his base?
Is that the one you're talking about?
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:59 PM
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12. Did he betray the base
or did we have a situation where yet again a Democratic Congress blocked Democratic causes and as a result the Democratic Party got punished for it?

Our own elected officials do not seem to understand that.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:39 PM
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20. I was there. He betrayed his base.
Even for the center-right campaign that Clinton ran, no one expected the kind of milquetoast, triangulating capitulation to corporate interests that his presidency became. Without Clinton, there would have been no 94 "revolution". Without Clinton, there would have been no President George W. Bush.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:01 PM
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24. So what do you say he did in his first 2 years to betray his base?
I'm hardly a Clinton cheerleader, far from it, but no President is a Messiah and I would like to read your justification of how he flipped his base. In the later years, yes he did betray his base and when Congress flipped he completely erased his programme and went on tv to do it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:54 PM
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25. NAFTA, DADT and the HillaryCare fiasco
NAFTA lost him labor, DADT lost him progressives and HillaryCare lost him independents.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:41 PM
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2. Well, it made everyone desparate enough to eat a shit sandwich and smile
So, eh, I guess it worked ok, depending on your perspective.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 12:16 PM
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28. *lol*
:)
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:49 PM
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4. Wasn't the bill written by Hillary etal and hidden away in some room
With crazy secrecy rules? I swear I read that sonewhere.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:50 PM
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5. If the Clintons had compromised 16 years ago...
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 07:54 PM by yourguide
I'll bet they'd have come up with something close to what's being passed...and 16 years later Obama would be signing a robust public option or single payer. There's something to be said for compromise in matters such as this. Without compromise everything stays status quo or gets worse.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:54 PM
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8. It was not the Clintons
it was a lack of Democratic unity, gainst a strongly united GOP.

The original bill had Bob Dole as a sponsor. However when the likes of Kristol and Ginrich started taking control, the message was clear, do nothing to help a bill get passed.

The bill died and we lost seats as a result.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:57 PM
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11. Interesting, even HRC admits to making mistakes...
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 07:57 PM by yourguide

In 2005, referring to her previous efforts at health care reform, Hillary Clinton said "I learned some valuable lessons about the legislative process, the importance of bipartisan cooperation and the wisdom of taking small steps to get a big job done."<25> Again in 2007, she reflected on her role in 1993-1994: "I think that both the process and the plan were flawed. We were trying to do something that was very hard to do, and we made a lot of mistakes."<30>


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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:55 PM
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9. I agree with that, but Bush and the repugs would have put a bill through
to kill it.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:00 PM
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14. That's the only thing that scares the crap out of me but I think...
we can withstand two elections to make sure this bill stands.

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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:53 PM
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6. Yep.
by the way, you put 2004 instead of 1994. that's the only thing I can disagree with.

It is arguable whether or not this bill is better than the status quo. I think it is clear that it is better, but reasonable people can disagree.

It is understandable to decry the system as broken and to be upset that the best options aren't being considered. Feeling that way isn't going to get anything better any sooner, but it is understandable.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:56 PM
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10. Thanks
corrected now.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:00 PM
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13. If that's the case- then good luck fixing this sham until 2025!
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:01 PM
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15. Better than just getting around to this sham in 2025.
Would rather be fixing it then than starting from scratch.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:18 PM
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16. Tell folks that when their mandated high deductible, high copay junk insurance fails to pay out
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 08:18 PM by depakid
and bankrupts them in any case!
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:31 PM
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18. The bill hasn't been reconciled between the house and senate yet.
Do you think that will stand without some sort of solution? Do you think our team is that stupid?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:44 PM
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22. I would hope that our team's not that stupid
We shall see.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:49 PM
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23. If our team is that stupid I will personally apologize. n/t
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:31 PM
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17. I think the weak Senate bill
reflects badly on the poor Senate Leadership of Reid. He has allowed himself to be blackmailed by every extremist (they are not moderate) Conseradem as a result of lack of discipline.

Complete failure would howeer mean the Democratic Party would not be trusted in office for years.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:33 PM
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19. Rec'd...Thank you for your post n/t
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:42 PM
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21. Thanks firedupdem
There still seems to be a lot who would rather have nothing for another 16 years, than a start of something now.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 05:46 AM
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26. We're Almost There. Big K&R for a great post.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:54 AM
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27. This time it's different.
How many times have you heard that one? :)
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