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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 03:04 PM
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Victory at What Cost?
Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 03:22 PM by babylonsister
Victory at What Cost?

The Senate's passage of health reform is a great step forward, but reveals how difficult future legislative victories, and governing, will be for Obama.

Mark Schmitt | December 24, 2009 | web only

Victory at What Cost?


"The most troublesome task of a reform president," Henry Adams wrote in his autobiography, is "to bring the Senate back to decency." President Barack Obama did not accomplish that task this year, far from it. But what he and other Democrats did accomplish this morning is something that eluded every reform president before him, and is in a sense, all the greater an accomplishment for the fact that the institution -- not just the Senate itself but the Washington culture that surrounds it -- was at its most indecent.

Every major policy victory, even though it creates momentum and potentially strengthens the president who leads it, inevitably comes with a cost. The cost may be an expenditure of political capital, a political concession due in the future, a sacrifice of a constituency, a compromise on some other policy, or a compromise within the policy itself. It's hard not to feel in one's gut that this victory came at a considerable price. But it's also hard to put one's finger on exactly where the cost is.

The cost is certainly not in the policy itself. The legislation is imperfect, compromised, and in many ways insufficient. (It can be improved slightly in conference with the House, through the addition of the House's mild employer mandate or a change in the financing, but everything will have to be cleared with the 59th and 60th most liberal senators.) But the answer to Jane Hamsher of the blog Firedoglake's "Ten Reasons to Kill the Bill" did not actually need an item-by-item response, although it's useful that Ezra Klein provided one. It would have been sufficient to say simply that everyone who will be affected by the bill will be far better off. And that the bill as it has passed provides the basic components needed to construct a workable system of near-universal health coverage, and all that is outstanding -- implementation and legislative improvement -- can be accomplished without anyone needing to beg at the feet of a gleefully sneering Joe Lieberman or Ben Nelson.

Many on the left were tempted to use the budget reconciliation process, which would limit the time for debate and thus require only 50 votes, to pass a more expansive bill. But that would have required major pieces of the legislation to be left behind, in the hope that they could be enacted later, though they would still need 60 votes, and the tactic would have alienated even many Democrats, making the next steps impossible. Instead, by passing a compromised but complete bill with 60 votes, Democrats will have plenty of room to expand its provisions, and even add ideas like the Medicare buy-in for older workers, using the budget reconciliation process in the future. (This strategy was unstated, as it should have been, but it's in effect just what I proposed in July.)

The bill is flawed, but only by comparison to some hypothetical piece of legislation that could never have passed. The same could be said of any successful legislation, from the first progressive income tax to Social Security and Medicare to the Clean Air Act.
And conservatives would say the same about their own legislative achievements. This is How A Bill Becomes A Law. And while some of the compromises that helped the legislation dodge the vicious attacks that killed the Clinton plan in 1994 were cooked up by the White House, other were baked into the consensus even before Obama took office. That insurance companies would benefit from an expansion of the base of the insured is built in to any approach other than single-payer, and the price of requiring insurers to cover anyone always had to be that we require everyone, in turn, to be covered.

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http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=victory_at_what_cost

Mark Schmitt is the executive editor of The American Prospect. Previously he was a senior fellow at the New America Foundation, director of the Governance and Public Policy program at the Open Society Institute, and policy director to Senator Bill Bradley.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 03:07 PM
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1. I'm beginning to think any significant legislation requires significant amounts of tribute to be
paid to some corporation.

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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 04:51 PM
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2. Everyone affected by the bill will be better off? Bah!
This person doesn't know what he's talking about. He's shilling.

Kill the bill.


Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 05:31 PM
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5. This person's qualifications...
Mark Schmitt is the executive editor of The American Prospect. Previously he was a senior fellow at the New America Foundation, director of the Governance and Public Policy program at the Open Society Institute, and policy director to Senator Bill Bradley.

What are yours? Who's shilling who?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 06:25 PM
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9. He's rich. I am neither rich nor insured.
He has no clue how this bill will affect me, nor anyone like me.

I am fighting to protect my own interests. He's shilling.

Kill the bill.


Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 06:29 PM
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10. What a ridiculous argument; he's rich, so he's shilling?
Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 06:31 PM by babylonsister
Please. He's also educated and this is his job. He just might know what he's talking about.

And ftr, I don't know if he's 'rich'. So are a lot of people who hold your pov.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 07:54 PM
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13. Ah, the Appeal to Authority argument.
Lamest logical fallacy there is. Schmitt has impressive credentials but I see none that specifically have to do with health care delivery or health insurance. So it's no different to me than saying "Jimmy Carter thinks this bill will do a lot of good." Now I have a tremendous amount of respect for Pres. Carter and think he's a very smart man. If he thinks something is true I will give his opinion thoughtful consideration. But I'm not just going to agree with Jimmy Carter on health care because he's Jimmy Carter. I've noticed quite a bit of name dropping among proponents of the bill. "Paul Krugman supports the bill!" So? Is Paul Krugman God? Is Paul Krugman infallible? Are we not allowed to challenge the word of "experts" now?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:21 PM
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15. IOW, anyone who has an opinion that isn't yours can get stuffed. Got it. nt
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:26 PM
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16. Yeah, that's exactly what I just said.
:eyes:

Sorry but "Paul Krugman likes it so shut up!" isn't a compelling argument.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:08 AM
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17. fyi, this isn't about Krugman or you. nt
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 04:56 PM
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3. Rec'd thanks...interesting reading. n/t
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 04:59 PM
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4. What happened this Past Thursday will SINK our party in both 2010 and 2012.
But LOOK IN THE MIRROR when you all flail about to find someone to blame - it's your DELUDED belief that the Insurance Cartel can POLICE ITSELF. :crazy:
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 07:10 PM
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12. You haven't read the bill, have you? You should at least read
a summary. Then you wouldn't make incorrect statements like this.
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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 05:54 PM
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6. 40 seats in the house. 6 in the Senate.
A generation of "tax and spend" and "socialist" ridicule.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 06:05 PM
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7. Theme for 2010: incessant excuse making
and lame attempts to convince the electorate that pandering to the corrupt, corporate elements of the party is the best they're going to get no matter how popular or effective the policies might be.

But hey, we're not Republicans!

Good luck with that.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 06:14 PM
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8. Theme for 2010: incessant kvetching about things you cannot change.
That seems to be the pattern around here.

Good luck with that.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 06:37 PM
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11. What a difference a year makes
From Yes We Can- to No, We Can't, because _______________ (fill in the blank).

That'll go over well....
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:02 PM
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14. the theme is "say anything to get the bill killed"
the insurance industry has its digital thugs out in force. Their only goal is to try and help insure that ZERO progress is made. NO matter what actually comes down, they will claim its not enough and that it needs to be killed.
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