When so-called progressives advocate that Norquist is right

[ProSense]

Cenk Uygur: "Jane Hamsher & Grover Norquist Are Right"

[Hello_Kitty]

1. When so called Democrats sell us out to Aetna and Goldman Sachs...eom

[ProSense]

2. Yeah, conjecture vs. reality. n/t

[ProSense]

3. Oh, and does this mean you also think Grover Norquist is right? n/t

[Hello_Kitty]

9. Stupid ad hominem. Ron Paul opposed the war.

Therefore I think Ron Paul is right, on that one particular issue. Doesn't make me a supporter of Ron Paul in general.

[Thickasabrick]

18. +1

[ProSense]

21. Ron Paul is a kook.

Lieberman supports a woman's right to choose.

Doesn't make him less despicable.

[impik]

4. So because you're not happy with the health care reform

you're going to unite with racists-hateful-Cheney-fans-lunatics?

I feel sorry for you.

[Hello_Kitty]

11. And I feel sorry for you

Carrying water for millionaires and billionaires who laugh at you at their cocktail parties.

[amborin]

28. just yesterday, yet another damning article about Goldman Sachs

disgusting that any of these people still have jobs in this administration

talk about reality----it's frightening!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7321440&mesg_id=7321601

[malletgirl02]

5. Norquist

Didn't Norquist say something about, "drowning the government in a bathtub"? Definitely not a good ally.

[Brother Buzz]

26. Norquist once compared Democrats in Congress to farm animals that have been neutered

"Once the minority of House and Senate are comfortable in their minority status (Democrats in '04), they will have no problem socializing with the Republicans. Any farmer will tell you that certain animals run around and are unpleasant, but when they've been 'fixed,' then they are happy and sedate. They are contented and cheerful." - Norquist

[Thickasabrick]

6. A broken clock is right twice a day. nt

[ProSense]

7. Norquist

is a clock with no arms, completely useless.

You want to align with him fine, but don't pretend he's valuable.

[Thickasabrick]

14. It's one very specific issue. If Rahm did block an investigation -

don't you want to know?

[snagglepuss]

15. +1

[Atticus]

20. Your post makes your moniker sound disingenuous. Well said. nt

[ProSense]

23. And if Jane Hamsher is absurd

don't you want to know?

[Thickasabrick]

25. Actually, that report is cited in her letter to Holder. What they are

questioning is the blocked FOI requesting the actual board minutes when Rahm was a director. The request is being blocked based on the corporation being a private entity, but since the taxpayers own 80% now - it should be honored.

There is much about this case I do not understand, however Jane's record of fighting for the little guys is making me give her the benefit of the doubt.

I do not remember this much vitriol when Hillary was working with Newt on previous health care initiatives.

[ProSense]

27. Witch hunt, and the mere fact that Norquist is involved should be a clue. n/t

[Atticus]

29. Ah, yes! The mere mention of Grover ("Bathtub") Norquist is meant to render all further

thought or discussion unnecessary. It's almost "Bushian"---remember how just mentioning "9-11" was supposed to be understood as the answer to all questions about the necessity or legality of the invasion of Iraq?

"Water is wet, eh? Well, you so-called progressive---Grover Norquist says the same thing! Why do you hate the president?"

[rwheeler31]

8. It is sad to see good people go nutty opposition on

one issues because they cannot get exactly what they want. I want every liberal position moving forward progress takes time and perseverance.

[wyldwolf]

10. "and Rahm has to answer them." No he doesn't.

[stevenleser]

12. Hamsher's vindictiveness is starting to rival Lieberman's

both of whom I'll bet, if we ask their childhood playmates, were the kind to take their ball and go home if they didnt get to play the game THEY wanted to play.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

13. K&R

[WeDidIt]

16. So now Cenk Uygar has joined in on the "Ken Starring" of Obama?

Fuck Cenk Uygar. He's a fucking asshole progressive wannabe.

[cadmium]

17. Cenk is really naive. He does a

good radio show but he gets swindled by peer pressure very easily.

[Atticus]

19. Not sure exactly where you're coming from---

Why are these folks "so-called" progressives?

Are "true" progressives to disagree with every opinion of all wing-nuts, of which Norquist certainly is one?

I, personally, believe that Rahm Emanuel is a negative influence on Obama. I agree with those who think him the "moral equivalent" of Karl Rove. I'm all for the president having a "knife fighter" for a personal assistant. I'm all for drawing lines in the sand and really fighting to implement the Democratic agenda. I would just like that personal assistant to the president to have a political philosophy a little more liberal and principled than "Whatever".

Unlike Lieberman and Nelson and others we could both name, Cenk is a progressive. You may disagree with him, as I occasionally do, but I just don't see how it advances our shared agenda to append "so-called" to their progressive label. It is at least possible that publicly allying themselves with such a vomit-inducing neo-con as Norquist was an act of courage---something that was extremely distasteful, but undertaken to advance the greater good as they saw it.

Merry Christmas!

[ProSense]

22. "Are 'true' progressives to disagree with every opinion of all wing-nuts"

Is Obama supposed to disagree with every opinion of the health insurance industry and Pharma?

There is a difference between agreeing and aligning, joining forces.

Obama is trying to govern a country. What's Hamsher's excuse?

[Atticus]

24. "Is Obama supposed to disagree with every opinion of the health insurance industry and Pharma?"

Of course not. I'm not aware that anyone has suggested that.

"There is a difference between agreeing and aligning, joining forces."
Agreed. Don't think I could have done it. Don't think it was wise. Don't think it makes her anything more than a foolish progressive.


"Obama is trying to govern a country. What's Hamsher's excuse?"
See above.

Now, 'are "true progressives" to disagree with every opinion of all wing-nuts?'

[eridani]

30. So-called progressives have advocated that Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul are right

And they were--about the Iraq War.

[RFKHumphreyObama]

31. Not you as well Cenk

:eyes:

I have a great deal of respect for Cenk and love watching the Young Turks. He should know better than this and I am disappointed that he seems to have lost his good judgment and common sense on this issue and is participating in this McCarthyist, Ken Starr-emulating nonsense. He needs to stop hanging around Jane Hamsher -she's really gone off the deep end now and Cenk is allowing himself to be dragged into a cesspool of delusional madness

In the 1990s it was Richard Mellon Scaife and Lucianne Goldberg who were perpetuating these baseless smears and innuendos about Clinton and his staff. Grover wants to do the same in this new milennium but I never thought I'd see the day when people like Jane Hamsher and Cenk resorted to Rovian tactics to seek to undermine a Democratic President. It is shameful and disgusting

[spiritual_gunfighter]

34. So I take it that you think the issue that Hamsher and Norquist are teaming up on is basless.

By J.W. Elphinstone
Associated Press / December 25, 2009

NEW YORK - The Treasury Department has removed the $400 billion financial cap on how much money it will provide to the beleaguered mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, a step taken to keep the companies from failing.

So far, taxpayers have shelled out $111 billion to the pair.

Yesterday, Treasury officials said the cap would be replaced with a flexible formula. The goal is to ensure the two agencies can stand behind the billions of dollars in mortgage-backed securities they sell to investors.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac provide vital liquidity to the mortgage industry by purchasing home loans from lenders and selling them to investors. Together, they own or guarantee almost 31 million home loans worth about $5.5 trillion, or about half of all mortgages.

Without government aid, the firms would have gone broke, leaving millions of people unable to get a mortgage.

The biggest headwind facing the housing recovery has been the rise in foreclosures amid high unemployment. The Treasury’s latest move could allow Fannie and Freddie to play a bigger role in restructuring mortgages for troubled borrowers.

The news follows the announcement Thursday that Fannie’s and Freddie’s chief executives could be paid as much as $6 million for 2009, despite the companies’ dismal performances this year.

Fannie’s CEO, Michael Williams, and Freddie CEO Charles “Ed’’ Haldeman Jr. each will receive $900,000 in salary, $3.1 million in deferred payments next year, and another $2 million if they meet certain performance goals, according to documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/12/25/us_r ... /

So I guess this backdoor bailout of Fannie and Freddie has nothing to do with this issue. On Christmas Eve, no less. Merry Christmas, taxpayers!

[ima_sinnic]

32. whatsa matter, bipartisanship getting to you?

another whose drivel is worthless.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

33. .