From Daily KoS, why Norquist should NEVER be the ally of any Democrat/Liberal/Progressive

[stevenleser]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/24/818689/-Grover-Norquist-is-our-allyAre-you-f@ing-kidding-me!

Norquist helped fund apartheid among other beautiful acts:

There have been many other Diaries written about what a scumbag Norquist is and why folks are shocked to see a self-proclaimed leader of the progressive movement like Hamsher make common cause with this despicable little prick. While these comments make part of the case, they just do not dig deep enough.

Grover Norquist is a lifelong Right-Wing warrior. Destroying all progressives and any progressive/liberal agenda is his life’s work. He is very good at and has been finding useful idiots to help him divide and conquer progressives for over thirty years.

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Now, one can follow Ms. Hamsher if you wish, but you should do so with your eyes wide open. You can not make an active alliance with people dedicated to destroying a progressive agenda—by any means necessary—and then pretend that you're doing something to promote a progressive agenda. Once you decide to sign onto Grover's agenda, I’m afraid that you can only be his useful idiot.

As far as I am concerned, an active alliance with Norquist—on his terms and promoting his spin and agenda—is a bridge too far. If you do not see this issue that way, fine. Whatever. I will hope for your return to the reality based community, but in the meantime I will take anything you say with a big grain of salt.

The corruption of Grover Norquist is massive, deep and (IMHO) evil. Yes, Jane Hamsher has done some good things, but making common cause with Norquist is despicable and indefensible. I for one can not go there. I know way too much about Norquist. As of this point, I just have to turn my back on Jane Hamsher and discount as useless her advice on any issue.

As I see it, this alliance is a blatant betrayal of the progressive movement, regardless how you choose to define it. She has signed on with Grover on signed on to his terms. She has ceded to him whatever credibility she had and actively calls on others to follow her in this betrayal. And betrayal, IMHO, is too weak of a word to use for this action. (It is like signing onto a letter drafted by John Yoo asking the Attorney General to investigate how Rahm Emanuel corruptly influence the decision to move Gitmo detainees to Illinois)

Jane Hamsher has let her hatred trump her judgment. I know Grover Norquist and I have followed the way that he works too closely to let anybody try and justify this betrayal to me with spin and "hey, look over there" arguments. I’m not buying it and it does not justify this alliance with Norquist.

[Hekate]

1. I feel like she's lost her mind to be doing this. Norquist is an appalling POS. nt

[vaberella]

19. Hah...

:rofl: I seriously can't stop laughing...I felt your tone seemed to reek of tragedy and defeat. Kind of like Peppermint Patty when she sees Charlie Brown falling for Lucy's red herrings! :rofl:

[babylonsister]

2. Recommend. I don't understand Hamsher at all. nt

[vaberella]

20. I gave up early on. Same with Howard Dean---they just don't make sense to me. n/t

[CreekDog]

29. Some people lose sight of the war when fighting a battle

:shrug:

[stevenleser]

3. And p.s.

[vaberella]

21. Oh God! n/t

[inna]

4. i wish Grover drowned himself in a fucking bathtub.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. He's a slimy snake who was able to expose is greed with the Republicans,

and now wants in with the Democrats. All of them that try to slime their way in should be exposed for the evil hearts they are.

[Undercurrent]

6. Nordquist is

a pustulant turd, and he WILL infect anyone who gets near him. That is what he does. This is who he is.

He's had years of practice in his war against liberals and progressive achievement, and he knows every trick in the slimy right wing book. Hell, he wrote much of the book!

[POAS]

7. What parts of the book he didn't write

were plagiarized from Lee Atwater.

[Cha]

18. Right..But, now he is to be defended

bc hamsher wants to team up with him? I don't think so.

[POAS]

25. Hamsher and ANYONE

else that would ally themselves with the POS Norquist is either horribly delusional or an enemy of the progressive agenda.

[eridani]

8. Ron Paul is batshit crazy, but he was against the Iraq War

Does that mean we have to be for it now?

[stevenleser]

9. What does Ron Paul have to do wit h this? (nt)

[eridani]

15. I'm talkiing about changing a principled policy position simply on the grounds

--that some rightwing asshole happens to agree with it.

[Cha]

16. No, you're throwing red herrings.

[vaberella]

22. Totally! I'd never ever ever want Ron Paul wanting the government either.

A principle position my ass. Ron Paul is all things bad just because a person agrees on one point does not make hearing him worth while.

[Cha]

24. That's right and there's nothing

worthwhile in grover norquist or hamsher, afaic.

[Cha]

12. Is that your excuse for teaming up with a "depicable little prick"?

"Here's what Paul Krugman wrote about your new Pal Grover:":

"Why do I want to see movement conservatism crushed? Partly because the movement is fundamentally undemocratic; its leaders don’t accept the legitimacy of opposition. Democrats will only become acceptable, declared Grover Norquist, the president of Americans for Tax Reform, once they “are comfortable in their minority status.” He added, “Any farmer will tell you that certain animals run around and are unpleasant, but when they’ve been fixed, then they are happy and sedate.”


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7311128

[eridani]

14. I'm saying that I base my issue stands on fundamental principles and reasoning

--not on who does or does not agree with them.

[nofurylike]

10. k&r. absolutely! very well said, stevenleser. thank you for this! nt

[Cha]

11. Thank you Steven and

Thanks, dengre, for aptly describing grover as a "despicable little prick".

[mzmolly]

13. Well said.

eom

[Cha]

17. "You know what jane hamsher, just stay the hell out of Ohio"

"You know what Jane Hamsher, just stay the hell out of Ohio"

by Tim Russo on December 22, 2009 · Comments

"Proving that no good deed goes unpunished in Kos-land, I posted this diary today, and got flamed like a champ.

Ok, so I wrote a diary with a lot of invective in it against Jane Hamsher. I apologize to this community for the invective. I do not apologize to Jane Hamsher. Here’s why.


First, I’m an Italian/Polish kid from Cleveland, which means, among other things, I have a big, loud mouth. You have to warm up those pipes if you’re gonna fight for the government cheese on the table when you’re a kid in 1976..

<snip>
Which brings me to Jane Hamsher.

Every instance of people like Jane Hamsher pulling fast ones from our left flank, like the con job she pulled on the public option only to now propose alliances with teabaggers to kill the entire effort makes it harder for Ohio Democrats to win those electoral votes. The more instances like it, the higher they pile up, the harder it becomes to overcome them.

<more>
http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/12/22/you-know-what-jane-hamsher-just-stay-the-hell-out-of-ohio/

[POAS]

26. This fellow Buckeye concurs! n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

23. So Norquist is 100% fungible and Hamsher is not.

Got it.

[Born_A_Truman]

27. Hope Jane likes Norquist's other little agendas...

Norquist favors the elimination of numerous federal organizations including the Internal Revenue Service, the Food and Drug Administration, Education Department and the National Endowment for the Arts.

POS!

[mcablue]

28. Why do people copy and paste diaries by anonymous Kos diarists? Can't you do that yourself in DU?

We can write threads you know? We might as well go to Talkingpointsmemo and drag their anonymous diaries here. What you are saying is that one of millions of anonymous diarists in the world agrees with you. There are many diarists who agree with the opposite view. Should we fill DU with Kossack diaries written by anonymous nicknames from both sides?

[stevenleser]

31. Is this really a serious question?

Do you think I am going to waste time rewriting something if someone else has already done a good job on it? Maybe you have time in your life to waste. I don't.

[TheKentuckian]

30. I think the bill sucks enough without enlisting or even thinking about ole Grover

Hamsher is fucking batshit. When you get down with snakes and rats you are going to get bit and probably pick up a disease.