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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:44 PM
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Hamsher: DEAD wrong -What it means to White Water the administration
Nordquist is a virus. A pustulant asshole. He goal is to infect and destroy. That is what he does. This is who he is.

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Clapping Harder will not make Jane Hamsher right. No matter who says.

Let us be VERY clear what it means to White Water the administration. It means you create a climate of investigation and political slander and lies; it does not create a legislative climate. It destroys it...

...Grover Norgquist is so happy. Bill Clinton got knee-capped by his party his second year in office too. White Water was the start of the campaign to destroy and delegitimize that president. That he succeded was a testament to his prowess; there were plenty of democratic knives he had to pull out of his back. Barack Obama's being stabbed by progressives declaring this is the way to get notice, to get legislation, to be players. This is what Republicans do.

BULLSHIT.

Republicans keep their purity by creating organizations like Club for Growth that primary the fuck out of folks who step on the legislative priorities of the base; same with the Christian right. It's the method the teabaggers are using...

MUCH more about this and the Health Care Bill:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/25/808924/-Clapping-Harder-will-not-make-Jane-Hamsher-right.-No-matter-who-says.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:49 PM
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1. Rec'd. nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:50 PM
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2. Best diary on DK currently
Hamsher is the fucking enemy now.

:grr:
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:51 PM
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3. Yes, if we recall ...
Many on the left made Faustian bargains with the right-wing during the Clinton administration ... and some ended up jumping ship to the other side (Christopher Hitchens, anyone?)

I remember having to cancel my subscription to The Nation, there were so many conspiratorial articles about drug-running out of Mena airport, etc.

I also recall very vividly how the left (myself included) became nearly hysterical over the Welfare Reform bill Clinton signed. We were certain that people would be dying in the streets, that children would starve, that blood would flow. It didn't materialize really, and retrospectively, the idea of welfare to work wasn't entirely a bad one. Today, we call for jobs for everyone.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:57 PM
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5. The problem of course, with Faustian bargains
is that that the Devil always wins.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:53 PM
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4. Rec'd n/t
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 09:58 PM
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6. Hamsher needs to put on her big girl panties...
She needs to grow up and figure out how to do things more sophisticated than throwing temper tantrums.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 05:45 AM
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7. To bad it isn't that simple.
A temper tantrum doesn't explain why anyone in their right mind would hook in with scum like Nordquist.

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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 01:34 PM
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12. Possible she just sees Norquist as a cobelligerent in going after Rahm Emanuel...
Edited on Sat Dec-26-09 01:35 PM by burning rain
and that her intention to associate with the very loathsome Norquist begins and ends with that cause. I certainly don't believe that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but it may arguably be respectable to deal with him as a cobelligerent--for the sake of argument.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 06:01 AM
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8. Nice piece
Edited on Sat Dec-26-09 06:02 AM by davidpdx
I'm glad I took myself of Firedoglakes list and will take myself off anyone else's list who promotes them.

Added at the end of the column was a quote from someone who commented, I'll repeat it here:

"There is a fundamental flaw in FDL's argument...

that is not pointed out enough. Coalitions with political opponents can be desirable when the end goals are the same (ex. lefty groups and libertarians making common cause for marijuana legalization). If they are not, they don't make any sense.

Ostensibly Ms. Hamsher wants a better health-care bill (I actually doubt this, but let's assume it's true for arguments sake). Grover fucking Norquist doesn't want a better health-care bill. He doesn't want any bill. He wants to dismantle the entirety of the US social safety net, repeal the New Deal, and (his words) "drown the government in the bathtub".

The stupidity of this alliance is astounding. How is weakening the President and trying to kill his legislative agenda going to help get "progressive" legislation passed?

Unreal."

This is why we are in deep shit next year.

Edit: Quote tags didn't work
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:59 PM
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9. On this I totally agree:
"This is a year where change can be affected within the administration; and it can happen by the progressive blogosphere seeking out New Democrats and Blue Dog targets within the party and sending a message that way. That's how to make a difference; not this shit."

Focus on CONGRESS and getting blue cross/blue shield dogs out.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 01:16 PM
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10. How do you explain this.
Ed Kelly , the inspector general was conducting an investigation into fannie and freddie and their part of the housing mess, which of course leads directly to Rahm's time on the board in 2000 and 2001, when Obama up and fired Kelly as IG, demoting him to an auditor. Obama also denied a freedom of information request by the chicago tribune to take a look at the minutes of the freddie board when Rahm was on it. He claimed it was commercial info even though it was federal government entity when rahm was on the board.
Rahm "can't remember" what happened when he was on the board.

Obama was able to demote Kelly because of a loophole in a law written and co-sponsored by none other than Rahm, the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008.
Obama never replaced the fired inspector general, 16 months and counting and lo and behold on christmas eve gave fannie and freddie a blank check for bailouts through 2012. Fannie and freddie are responsible for 6 trillion in loans.

No oversight, no accountability, no congress, no FOIA.



A bit of background about Rahm's time spent on the freddie board-

Rahm Emanuel's profitable stint at mortgage giant

The board met no more than six times a year. Unlike most fellow directors, Emanuel was not assigned to any of the board's working committees, according to company proxy statements. Immediately upon joining the board, Emanuel and other new directors qualified for $380,000 in stock and options plus a $20,000 annual fee, records indicate.

On Emanuel's watch, the board was told by executives of a plan to use accounting tricks to mislead shareholders about outsize profits the government-chartered firm was then reaping from risky investments. The goal was to push earnings onto the books in future years, ensuring that Freddie Mac would appear profitable on paper for years to come and helping maximize annual bonuses for company brass.

The accounting scandal wasn't the only one that brewed during Emanuel's tenure.

During his brief time on the board, the company hatched a plan to enhance its political muscle. That scheme, also reviewed by the board, led to a record $3.8 million fine from the Federal Election Commission for illegally using corporate resources to host fundraisers for politicians. Emanuel was the beneficiary of one of those parties after he left the board and ran in 2002 for a seat in Congress from the North Side of Chicago.

The board was throttled for its acquiescence to the accounting manipulation in a 2003 report by Armando Falcon Jr., head of a federal oversight agency for Freddie Mac. The scandal forced Freddie Mac to restate $5 billion in earnings and pay $585 million in fines and legal settlements. It also foreshadowed even harder times at the firm.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-rahm-emanuel-profit-26-mar26,0,5682373.story


As Cenk said-

That’s Politics 101.

Now I wouldn’t be in favor of it if they didn’t make legitimate points. But they do make legitimate points. And those are good questions. Rahm has to answer them. But on a political level, this is the kind of thing you’ve gotta do to say “you know what, you can’t only appease the right wing. I have to make sure that I appease the right wing and the left wing.” Especially because the left wing elected you, they’re the ones who gave you the votes.

So if it wiped the smug smile off of Rahm Emanuel’s face, and his dismissive attitude about all the people who voted for Barack Obama, well then it’s a great step in the right direction.

And don’t think it doesn’t have consequences — Jane Hamsher is catching massive heat from the left for doing this. How dare you join up with a right winger, how dare you damage Democrats politically.

Listen. If you don’t have the stones to go after the Democrats, they’re never going to listen to you. They don’t listen to reason, they listen to power. So Jane’s approach is definitely the right approach. As long as she’s got her ducks in order, and she’s not going with nonsense, she’s going with real concerns, that’s definitely the way to go.

Okay, that’s hard ball. And if you’re not willing to play it, you’re going to lose on every policy issue and on every political issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et-hdHe7kew&feature=player_embedded


Please explain the dead wrong in pushing for an investigation, using Norquist to draw attention to a backdoor, no oversight, additional tax payer bailout of fannie and freddie.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 07:14 PM
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13. there's nothing to explain, that's the point. It's bogus.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 01:32 PM
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11. Hasn't the Obama administration opened themselves up for this?
Glenn Beck essentially got someone tossed out on their ass. If such a method produces results for him, why should progressives who have a beef with Rahm shy away from being pissy?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 07:16 PM
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14. "Pissy". Being a chump and helping Norquist destroy the Left isn't just "pissy". But at least you
inadvertently acknowledge this bogus call for an investigation is nothing NOTHING but an attempt to destroy Obama's Adminstration starting with Rahm Emmanuel.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 07:23 PM
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15. WTF does jane hamsher care as long as those
bucks keep pourin' in?

Cenk should know better though.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 08:25 PM
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16. yup
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