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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:26 PM
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NY Times: Health Care Changes Wouldn’t Have Big Effect for Many
Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 11:32 PM by Armstead
This is a reasonably balanced article from the NY Times about the changes you can or can't expect from the health care reform bill.

Worth reading wherever you stand on the issue.

(My own take it that it reinforces my view that the is some things that are helpful for some, but it is missing important changes in this bill, including control of rates.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/25/health/policy/25employer.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&src=twt&twt=nytimes&adxnnlx=1261749788-qxs5xBcSKHcrvWLwwyEXHw

Health Care Changes Wouldn’t Have Big Effect for Many

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Now that the Senate has caught up with the House by passing a sweeping health care bill, lawmakers are on the verge of extending coverage to the tens of millions of Americans who have no health insurance.

But what about the roughly 160 million workers and their dependents who already have health insurance through an employer? For many people, the result of the long, angry health care debate in Washington may be little more than more of the same.

As President Obama once promised, “If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan.”
That may be true even if you don’t like your health plan. And no one seems to agree on whether the legislation will do much to reduce workers’ continually rising out-of-pocket costs.

True, there is an important advantage for the working insured: more peace of mind for people who are worried about being laid off or would like to change jobs.

Of course, with more security will come more obligation. Congress seems likely to impose an individual mandate that will require people to be insured or face a financial penalty.

The other proposed changes for employer-provided coverage seem aimed mainly at workers whose benefits are either very generous or exceedingly skimpy.

On the generous end, about a fifth of employers now offer health plans that could be affected by a new 40 percent excise tax in the Senate bill on so-called Cadillac policies, according to an estimate by Mercer, a benefits consulting firm. That tax, to be imposed on annual premiums that exceeded $23,000 for family coverage, would go into effect in 2013. For example, if an insurer, or a self-insured employer, offers a plan costing $25,000, it must pay a 40 percent tax on the $2,000 that is above the threshold, or $800.

If the excise tax survives the House-Senate negotiations, it is hard to predict how employers will respond. But almost two-thirds of the employers Mercer recently surveyed said they were likely to reduce employee benefits rather than pay the tax.

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The public policy goal of the tax, in theory, is to have everyone spend less on medical care, even if it means using it less. “We know people will use less care under such plans,” said Paul Ginsburg, president of the Center for Studying Health System Change, a nonpartisan group.

What is not so clear, Mr. Ginsburg said, is whether people will make — or be able to make — rational choices between treatments that are not particularly effective and treatments that may help them from becoming sicker later.

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People working for small businesses — an estimated 40 percent of the private labor force — could see their coverage affected. And if their employer decided to use one of the new insurance exchanges, workers might have a much broader choice of plans than they do now.

The premiums a small-business employee are charged could also change, especially if that company’s work force is particularly young and healthy. Those people could wind up paying more, Mr. Ginsburg said, because the legislation tries to spread the risk of covering employees with expensive medical conditions by setting new rules over how insurers can determine premiums.

The real unknown, of course, is whether any final legislation will accelerate the rise in premiums or slow it. At least one impartial analysis, by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, concluded that the legislation was not going to have much of an effect on the cost of premiums either way.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:32 PM
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1. NYT editorial: A Bill Well Worth Passing
Editorial

A Bill Well Worth Passing

The health care reform bill that Senate Democratic leaders have cobbled together to win support from all 60 members of their fractious caucus — the filibuster-proof majority needed to ensure passage — has drawn scornful attacks from a united Republican opposition. It is causing anguish among liberals who fear too much has been given away to a handful of conservatives.

The bill, which is moving toward a climactic vote this week, has some imperfections but is worthy of support from lawmakers who care about health care reform.

There is a lot to like in the bill. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that it would cover more than 30 million of the uninsured and would, by 2019, result in 94 percent of all citizens and legal residents below Medicare age having health insurance. That is a big improvement from the current 83 percent.

It also estimates that the bill would reduce deficits over the next decade by $132 billion and even more in the following decade. Despite all the exaggerated Republican rhetoric that the bill will lead to fiscal disaster, it has been carefully and responsibly drafted so that it is fully paid for without busting future budgets.

Important elements of the bill have been strengthened during the struggle. An independent board and other new entities would be given greater powers than previously planned to test and implement cost-saving measures free of political lobbying. Tax credits to help small businesses buy coverage have been expanded.

Insurance companies will be deterred from jacking up premiums just before the reforms take effect, prohibited from imposing lifetime limits on benefits and annual limits will be tightly restricted. Insurers will also be required to spend more on medical care and less on administrative costs and profits than they currently do.

The two big concessions that were made in the Senate were unfortunate, but not fatal. The original bill would have created a new public plan to compete with private ones. That was replaced with a likely weaker alternative: a couple of private plans that would be supervised by an obscure government agency that administers heath benefits for federal employees. The reform package should include a public plan, but the absence of one is not a good reason to vote against the bill.

The Senate flirted briefly with a proposal to allow people ages 55 to 64 to buy into the Medicare program to create competition to private plans on new insurance exchanges. The buy-in idea was intriguing, but it was never vetted carefully enough to analyze how it would work in conjunction with other reforms. Its elimination does not make the bill worth opposing.

In another concession, the Senate bill would allow states to ban the coverage of abortions by health plans sold on the new exchanges. Those exchanges will allow people who buy health insurance to choose from an array of private plans, with subsidies provided to help low- and middle-income people pay the premiums.

This amounts to deplorable interference by state governments into decisions that should be made by a woman and her doctor — and abortion rights groups are right to object. The implacable Republican opposition to reform, and obstruction from a handful of Democrats, have made this bill less effective and less fair than it might have been. Still, the United States Senate has a chance this week to get past the bickering and haggling that have robbed it of Americans’ trust and pass a historic piece of legislation.


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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:36 PM
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3. Did you bother to read the linkd article?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:40 PM
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5. Including this pearl
As President Obama once promised, “If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan.”

That may be true even if you don’t like your health plan. And no one seems to agree on whether the legislation will do much to reduce workers’ continually rising out-of-pocket costs.


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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:43 PM
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7. I said it is a balance article -- But that uncertainty shows just how muddled this bill is
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:37 PM
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4. NY Times Op-Ed: Bomb Iran
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:41 PM
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6. An op-ed is not a NYT editorial. n/t
Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 11:41 PM by ProSense
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:57 PM
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10. No kidding. But they chose to publish it, and put their weight behind it
and today's front page article is a justification for war against Iran
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:00 AM
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11. It's not a NYT editorial. Period. n/t
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 02:27 PM
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26. on the NY Time editorial page & they Chose to publish it
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:49 PM
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9. Brilliant-not. nt
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:00 AM
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12. LOL! Suddenly Krugman & even the NY Times are popular!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:01 AM
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13. No, suddenly you aren't! nt
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:28 AM
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14. ?
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 07:45 AM
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17. Judith Miller
must not have been available...
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mcablue Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 08:21 AM
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20. But you won't say how the editorial contradicts the OP claim
By responding a news piece with another piece (whether it is opinion, news, sports, etc.) without pointing to whichever part of the latter contradicts the OP piece, you are changing the subject.

What changes does the editorial say most Americans (not just poor ones) will get? Then we will be able to determine whether the changes are big, small or irrelevant.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 09:15 AM
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21. It doesn;t really contradict
The editorial is an opinion.

The other is an analysis. The analysis does not take a position on whether or not the bill should be passed. It simply outlines some of the expected effects (or non-effects) of it.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:33 PM
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2. Oh goody! More of the same
that's just what the polls showed most of us wanted. :sarcasm:

Michael Moore might as well start working on the sequel to "Sicko" now.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 04:51 AM
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15. With the additional "benefit" of increasing reliance on high deductible, high coypay "insurance"
that more and more people won't be able to afford to use- and which won't prevent them from losing their homes and/or going bankrupt when they or a family member is insured or fall seriously ill.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 11:44 PM
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8. Recommend
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 05:39 AM
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16. Bandages do not fix the wound.
Time to ramp up on the 2010 bill.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 11:57 AM
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22. How about making the 2009 bill a good one first?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 04:59 PM
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27. It's already pretty much closed.
Conference time for this bill, any big changes are going to to have to be in the next one.
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mcablue Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 07:49 AM
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18. The savings for most Ameircans would be $100 to $300 a year compared to current law
Edited on Sat Dec-26-09 07:49 AM by mcablue
According to the CBO, In 2016. That was the estimate for the House bill, but the CBO later said that the Senate bill would not differ from the House bill in that sense.

It is up to each individual to decide whether saving 100-300 six years from now is a lot or a little.
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mcablue Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 08:17 AM
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19. moved
Edited on Sat Dec-26-09 08:21 AM by mcablue
somewhere else.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:05 PM
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23. Thanks for posting this. Very reasonable and informative.
How anyone could object to it is quite beyond me.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 12:14 PM
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24. "the legislation was not going to have much of an effect on the cost of premiums either way."
I'm sorry, I thought that was major reason for the "reform " in the first place?!

We as a country spend the most for the 37th ranking and this bill does almost nothing to effect cost?

Color me disgusted.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 02:00 PM
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25. Dude - please don't suggest I read anything that might mess with my preconceived opinions
:sarcasm:

Thanks for the article, though. :)
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 08:08 PM
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28. Sorry -- I know the actual effects distract from the cheerleading here
Edited on Sat Dec-26-09 08:12 PM by Armstead
Can;t have that now can we?

(Also :sarcasm: thingy)
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